Florida Colleges

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The Florida 2+2 program was designed to help students who may not be able to afford living away at a private or state university AND to be a proving ground for marginal High School students to show they were capable academically at the collegiality level.

Since the advent of Florida Prepaid and Bright Futures, the program has become less about affordability and more about the marginal High School students willing to put in the time and effort to prove themselves capable of the rigor of college systems.

UCF, USF and FIU take the lions share of these transfers which are centered around the largest population area's.

33% of students earning an AA go on to enroll at 4 year University's of which 66% graduate. Out of those 66% that graduate, almost 40% go on to post graduate degrees.

In the end, transfer students tend to be very motivated and do very well once they navigate the hassles of getting into a University.

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My kid got accepted for fall of 2019. She had a 4.8 and a 31 on the ACT. Everyone we know who got in got similar grades. If UF is playing a "game" I don't see it. The fact that you can get in later on by getting good grades at a community college does not change the fact that the freshman class will have insane GPA's and Scores. Those requirements are reflected in UF's national reputation, which is WAAAYYY better than Rollins'.

Don't be fooled. UF does admit students as freshman with high scores. But just because they admit the student with 4.6 from Alaska doesn't mean that student is coming. The stats for 2017 show that 8.12% of the enrolled undergraduates at UF were freshman (headcount 2,939). 19.18% were sophomores and 30.67% were juniors (headcount 11,174) and 42.04% were seniors (headcount 15,316). Many freshmen come in with enough credits to be juniors but the majority of the percentage increase from freshman to upper undergraduate is due to community college students transfering in who maybe never even earned the Bright Futures award. Nothing wrong with it, but don't be fooled by it looking so hard to get in because the CC students come right in the backdoor.

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In other words the elitist is saying... OMG, you mean my kid is going to college with students with 990 SAT. That can’t be! Only my kid deserves to be a Gator! Remember the poster only said there were other very good colleges...elitist made this into more of an issue. Yes, UF, FSU, USF are great schools...feel better?

Your kids scores, grades and community services (income generating athletics aside) dictate what school your kid "deserves" to be accepted in. No one is saying your kid is not a great kid and who they are as a person has nothing to do with the school they get into. The issue being debated is the schools themselves, where they are ranked, what they offer and the benefits a student gets if they go there.

When you take the time to research salaries, internships and post graduate opportunities; you find there are specific schools that simply offer more benefit.

If your kid is going to be a physical therapist or teacher, there is really no added benefit in going to one school over another.
If your kid is going to be a pharmacist or optometrist, the list narrow slightly due to the specific major and the program itself.
If your kid wants to be a doctor with designs on Johns Hopkins, NYU or the Mayo Clinic; you need to be very targeted in your school selection.

My kid was deferred early action for MIT, Carnegie and GT but probably won't get into any of them. Doesn't mean my kids is a less deserving person, just a less deserving student.

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Don't be fooled. UF does admit students as freshman with high scores. But just because they admit the student with 4.6 from Alaska doesn't mean that student is coming. The stats for 2017 show that 8.12% of the enrolled undergraduates at UF were freshman (headcount 2,939). 19.18% were sophomores and 30.67% were juniors (headcount 11,174) and 42.04% were seniors (headcount 15,316). Many freshmen come in with enough credits to be juniors but the majority of the percentage increase from freshman to upper undergraduate is due to community college students transfering in who maybe never even earned the Bright Futures award. Nothing wrong with it, but don't be fooled by it looking so hard to get in because the CC students come right in the backdoor.

You can be awarded BF while attending community college. Kudos to any student who got their sh!t together after the initial setback. However, your statistics are slanted toward your narrative. As the other poster stated, roughly 1/3 for Com College students go on to 4 year colleges while 66% graduate. That is a pretty good rate.

That mean kids who continue to work hard can raise themselves from any setback whether financial or simply having to gone to sh!ty High School. The enrolled statistics for every school is available so while you can make the Alaska point with any school, the actual GPA/Score sample is available for enrolled students at every school come April.

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My kid got accepted for fall of 2019. She had a 4.8 and a 31 on the ACT. Everyone we know who got in got similar grades. If UF is playing a "game" I don't see it. The fact that you can get in later on by getting good grades at a community college does not change the fact that the freshman class will have insane GPA's and Scores. Those requirements are reflected in UF's national reputation, which is WAAAYYY better than Rollins'.

No doubting the scores needed to get in the fall class are off the chart. Don’t forget they are also admitting kids with 1150 SAT’s and 3.5 gpa to start in January and there are a boat load of these kids taking it. Frankly there is a study out there that says the kid with 1100-1150 3.0 gpa will be the more successful person when they graduate from college.

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When you take the time to research salaries, internships and post graduate opportunities; you find there are specific schools that simply offer more benefit.

If your kid is going to be a physical therapist or teacher, there is really no added benefit in going to one school over another.
If your kid is going to be a pharmacist or optometrist, the list narrow slightly due to the specific major and the program itself.
If your kid wants to be a doctor with designs on Johns Hopkins, NYU or the Mayo Clinic; you need to be very targeted in your school selection.

Your first "if" line is not at all true. If your kid is doing PT there aren't that many schools that offer it and many that do are crap programs. PT/OT often is a 3/2 grad program, again not offered that many places. With PT and teaching there are schools that have very good programs with great internships, and other schools that aren't as strong. Same with business or just about any degree - some are just better than others. A student should always strive to attend the "best" school they can for their interested majors. However, many end up changing their majors and then they may have to transfer to something stronger than where they started.

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No doubting the scores needed to get in the fall class are off the chart. Don’t forget they are also admitting kids with 1150 SAT’s and 3.5 gpa to start in January and there are a boat load of these kids taking it. Frankly there is a study out there that says the kid with 1100-1150 3.0 gpa will be the more successful person when they graduate from college.

Many colleges have moved to a test-optional admissions process, saying that HS GPA, activities and accomplishments are a better predictor than a standardized test score. it shows their dedication to work hard, be involved, juggle different things vs one single test (which can be crammed for with test prep courses or tutoring). It's also a good thing for kids who just don't do well on such tests or have LD issues.

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In other words the elitist is saying... OMG, you mean my kid is going to college with students with 990 SAT. That can’t be! Only my kid deserves to be a Gator! Remember the poster only said there were other very good colleges...elitist made this into more of an issue. Yes, UF, FSU, USF are great schools...feel better?

Yes, your 4.7 GPA daughter is going to marry a 3.0 transfer student. OH NO, and she is drinking beer on a Saturday afternoon !!!! Welcome to college helicopter mommy.

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Your first "if" line is not at all true. If your kid is doing PT there aren't that many schools that offer it and many that do are crap programs. PT/OT often is a 3/2 grad program, again not offered that many places. With PT and teaching there are schools that have very good programs with great internships, and other schools that aren't as strong. Same with business or just about any degree - some are just better than others. A student should always strive to attend the "best" school they can for their interested majors. However, many end up changing their majors and then they may have to transfer to something stronger than where they started.

Yes, every student should strive to get into the best school possible but if you have been following this thread, one or two folks keep insisting that it doesn't matter which school you go to for many degrees.

Every school that has a women's soccer program seems to offer physical therapy and large chunks of those rosters are are fill with girls seek PT degrees. I agree that there are many poor programs though.

To my point, there is less sensitivity to where you get a a physical therapy degree, even less so for BBA than an Aerospace or Material Engineering degree.

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Yes, your 4.7 GPA daughter is going to marry a 3.0 transfer student. OH NO, and she is drinking beer on a Saturday afternoon !!!! Welcome to college helicopter mommy.

You could only hope your kid marries up to get you out the trailer park. You are probably the same fool who jokes about frat boys getting sorority girls drink for sex. Your moronic post go to prove you are a low caliber individual with low self esteem. I will say it again, I pray your kid takes after their mom and they both wise up a leave your sorry butt. You have all the classic signs of an abuser.

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The Florida 2+2 program was designed to help students who may not be able to afford living away at a private or state university AND to be a proving ground for marginal High School students to show they were capable academically at the collegiality level.

Since the advent of Florida Prepaid and Bright Futures, the program has become less about affordability and more about the marginal High School students willing to put in the time and effort to prove themselves capable of the rigor of college systems.

UCF, USF and FIU take the lions share of these transfers which are centered around the largest population area's.

33% of students earning an AA go on to enroll at 4 year University's of which 66% graduate. Out of those 66% that graduate, almost 40% go on to post graduate degrees.

In the end, transfer students tend to be very motivated and do very well once they navigate the hassles of getting into a University.

Only 33% of students earning an AA go on to enroll at a 4 year University. That isn't a high rate but those would be your hard working ones or ones who wanted to live close to home the first two years to save up for transfering and the final two years or more if go on to graduate school.

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Only 33% of students earning an AA go on to enroll at a 4 year University. That isn't a high rate but those would be your hard working ones or ones who wanted to live close to home the first two years to save up for transfering and the final two years or more if go on to graduate school.

And the kids who follow through and get good grades SHOULD be admitted to UF or FSU. They fact that those schools take those kids should not be a knock on them or be viewed as some conspiracy to inflate the accomplishments of incoming freshmen.

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Only 33% of students earning an AA go on to enroll at a 4 year University. That isn't a high rate but those would be your hard working ones or ones who wanted to live close to home the first two years to save up for transfering and the final two years or more if go on to graduate school.

The program works as intended especially when you consider 56% of the incoming Jrs are transfers under the 2+2 program. Those kids generally have proven themselves and have figured out what it takes to succeed in college.

This goes hand in hand with transfer athletes who may have not gotten into their school of choice. After two years at a JUCO to prove they can handle school and athletics many D1 programs are willing to take another look.

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And the kids who follow through and get good grades SHOULD be admitted to UF or FSU. They fact that those schools take those kids should not be a knock on them or be viewed as some conspiracy to inflate the accomplishments of incoming freshmen.

Transfers fall under a different category for admission rates and rankings. Many states besides Florida have adopted guaranteed access when certain minimum criteria are met. Transfers still face an uphill battle in many regards because not all credits are accepted at all schools. UF and FSU do accept many transfers, just not as many as the others many because UF and FSU are not located near major population areas.

You are correct, those kids deserve all respect they can get for their accomplishments.

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Transfers fall under a different category for admission rates and rankings. Many states besides Florida have adopted guaranteed access when certain minimum criteria are met. Transfers still face an uphill battle in many regards because not all credits are accepted at all schools. UF and FSU do accept many transfers, just not as many as the others many because UF and FSU are not located near major population areas.

You are correct, those kids deserve all respect they can get for their accomplishments.

They should be applauded just pointing out that UF and FSU try to be elitist schools and get higher rankings from U.S.News and World Report by inflating the freshman class. The February 2019 statistics are not out and UF hasn't disclosed how many out-of-state applications it received and how many it admitted. This site shows past data.
https://ir.aa.ufl.edu/uffacts/enrollment-1/
Click the year 2017 and then click on the freshman pie to see the fall 2017 headcount was 2,954. Then click on the sophomore pie to see it was 6,987 students. The jump occured for juniors at 11,174 students and seniors 15,316. UF also has a large graduate headcount at 4,476 and doctorate headcount of 7 ,684. The freshman and sophomore count is minimal compared to those students getting admitted as juniors or later. Another poster showed how UCF and USF are admitting many more freshman (each college almost three times as many freshman and maintaining a high incoming freshman average of 4.1/1250). UF and FSU simply say they get lots of qualified freshman applicants but don't have room. UF and FSU choose not to expand their freshman enrollment over the years.