OCYS Consolidated Thread

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Unfounded doesn't mean it never happened. And yes poaching does occur all over central Florida.

You can't poach the willing. Yes, my duaghter was "poached" from OCYS to FKK. If poaching means gladly leaving. She understood that the likes of LHP and SC were not coaches up to the caliber needed to sustain ECNL Neither are still involved in ECNL at OCYS, so the directorship finally agreed. She was in a critical year and could not wait another year for OCYS to figure out ECNL, which they are still doing. So if joining a startup club with proven coaching and training is poaching than she was poached.

If OCYS continues to try and use protectionist mechanisms like the FYSA 15 mile rule, poaching charges and attorneys letters they will never gain the elite status they desperately want. To truly be elite you need to be the club of absolute choice and easily better than the next best alternative. Just having DA and ECNL does not make you elite.

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Orlando City went after David Beckham with the #builtnotbought campaign.

OCYS is #assemblednotdeveloped

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Actually, "unfounded" does mean "it never happened".

Really??? I guess that's what u get with a GED. Better check again!

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Really??? I guess that's what u get with a GED. Better check again!

I deeply regret being forced to do the "Talking Soccer Dictionary Link Maneuver", but for certain smartasses it is completely appropriate...

"Having no foundation or basis in fact"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfounded

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You can't poach the willing. Yes, my duaghter was "poached" from OCYS to FKK. If poaching means gladly leaving. She understood that the likes of LHP and SC were not coaches up to the caliber needed to sustain ECNL Neither are still involved in ECNL at OCYS, so the directorship finally agreed. She was in a critical year and could not wait another year for OCYS to figure out ECNL, which they are still doing. So if joining a startup club with proven coaching and training is poaching than she was poached.

If OCYS continues to try and use protectionist mechanisms like the FYSA 15 mile rule, poaching charges and attorneys letters they will never gain the elite status they desperately want. To truly be elite you need to be the club of absolute choice and easily better than the next best alternative. Just having DA and ECNL does not make you elite.

Ditto... My daughters' choice as well, and the right choice for her. OCYS simply thought the patch was all that was necessary. They were completely unprepared and their arrogance only made the learning curve steeper and longer.

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I don't really care one way or the other about this whole stupid feud, but I can tell you first hand that the poaching charges are not slanderous. I was one of the parents targeted, and not from OC. The fact that there were no ramifications over the poaching does not mean the charges were baseless, only that no one cared about poaching by a club without affiliation. I mean what was FYSA supposed to do, grant affiliation just so they could sanction them? I don't care about poaching regardless, it goes on all the time and I think the rule is ridiculous, but don't try to say it never happened.

Actually the reason that the original ruling was overturned, was the same reason that OCYS or any other club can have early tryouts and also have Super Y and still not get called on poaching. The reason is because the tryouts are done early under the guise of them being for US Club instead of FYSA teams. Therefore FYSA has no authority over what OCYS is doing for US Club teams. The poaching charges that were brought up were alleged to have happened at a ECNL practice or training at SSP. This was then a US Club function and not an FYSA function and therefore were under the same rules as mentioned above. You are actually wrong on the second statement also, there were sanctions against two people that were involved. They could not have anything to do with anything FYSA related for some amount of time, I think 6 months. This was overturned on appeal when the original group ruled incorrectly on the matter.

Poaching is an antiquated rule any way. There is no such thing. The players are under contract basically until after State Cup so what does it matter if they are talking to coaches any way, they can't go anywhere.

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FYSA disagrees with your opinion. Just like FYSA disagreed with FKK's interpretation of their 15 mile rule. It doesn't matter what you think. It only matters what FYSA thinks.

I wasn't referring to my "opinion" of the matter. I was making a statement of fact regarding my being contacted by FKK personnel about bringing my kid to their club before our regular season ended. Justify it any way you like, I didn't care then and I don't care now. I'm simply saying it happened so you're incorrect in claiming the poaching charges were slanderous.

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I wasn't referring to my "opinion" of the matter. I was making a statement of fact regarding my being contacted by FKK personnel about bringing my kid to their club before our regular season ended. Justify it any way you like, I didn't care then and I don't care now. I'm simply saying it happened so you're incorrect in claiming the poaching charges were slanderous.

If you don't care, than clearly your purpose is to just run down other people. Are you claiming your player was personally contacted by HM or EF? If so, I don't believe you, anyway. Neither of those guys would risk it for the very reason you're demonstrating- somebody would report them. In fact, I bet if contact was ever made at all, it was before FKK was actually a club.

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If you don't care, than clearly your purpose is to just run down other people. Are you claiming your player was personally contacted by HM or EF? If so, I don't believe you, anyway. Neither of those guys would risk it for the very reason you're demonstrating- somebody would report them. In fact, I bet if contact was ever made at all, it was before FKK was actually a club.

My only purpose was to run down the poster who stated that the poaching charges were slanderous. I think I already made that clear. I also made clear that I was personally contacted, not my "player". So again , I don't care about the poaching, I'm just making a statement know to me personally as factual. Whether you choose to believe me I also don't care about. I am done wasting my time with you.

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Stop living in the past losers. Enough is enough. It's over and both OC and FKK have moved on. OC has ECNL and better girls this year. FKK has two state champions and teams playing in Region III and soon to have us soccer as well as fysa leagues. So, move on losers. Both clubs are moving forward. Be happy with where your at and focus on building your club and stop trying to tear down the other club. Peace out.

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I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but it's obvious you're complete dumbass. Just listen to yourself, it's not about a club objecting it's about gaining support from clubs that already exist in the 15 mile rule. If a club doesn't give you their support, it's obvious they have some kind of objection. All you are doing is playing the semantics game. I also find it convenient that you don't mention any of the other charges brought against FKK that were found to be untrue. I can tell from your schoolboy rant that HM is in your head. Despite all your insults FKK is not going anywhere. Oh I would also tread lightly about calling out other clubs for coaching I mean "recruiting". Do you object to this or am I just not gaining your support?

This is like talking to someone who does not understand logic or reason. First and foremost, FYSA went to OC and asked them if they would support FKK affiliating with the association. It was NOT OC running to FYSA and claiming foul. It is in the rules which I clearly posted. In regards for objecting verses not supporting, it is a question of which came first. The fact that FYSA is proactive and contacts clubs when another club is attempting to affiliate shows that they are a stand up organization. They seek compliance as opposed to running their agenda over existing members. This is key moron. If FYSA did not notify existing clubs then there would be nothing stopping the clubs from encroaching on each other's territory. So FYSA did their job according to the rules and OC did not support FKK joining. All within the RULES of FYSA. Had FKK declared home fields outside the 15-mile radius of SCC, OC would not have been contacted and would not have cared.

Now tell me again how there is no 15-mile rule?

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This is like talking to someone who does not understand logic or reason. First and foremost, FYSA went to OC and asked them if they would support FKK affiliating with the association. It was NOT OC running to FYSA and claiming foul. It is in the rules which I clearly posted. In regards for objecting verses not supporting, it is a question of which came first. The fact that FYSA is proactive and contacts clubs when another club is attempting to affiliate shows that they are a stand up organization. They seek compliance as opposed to running their agenda over existing members. This is key moron. If FYSA did not notify existing clubs then there would be nothing stopping the clubs from encroaching on each other's territory. So FYSA did their job according to the rules and OC did not support FKK joining. All within the RULES of FYSA. Had FKK declared home fields outside the 15-mile radius of SCC, OC would not have been contacted and would not have cared.

Now tell me again how there is no 15-mile rule?

I have read you two bicker back and forth. Who cares! You're right about a 15 mile rule and they are right about OC continued agenda against FKK. Get over it already. A bunch of whiny bitches!

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Bottom line is the premier teams in Central Florida, including FKK, are joining US Club Soccer and the NPL. FYSA had a one and done chance with FSPL which will now go the way of CDL. Clearly we see the superiority of a club-focused association as opposed to a state run association.

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I understand your points and you are right it should go away but!!! You may want to look in your own back yard before you start to direct FKK what to do. They wanted to do their own thing and OC hired Lawyers. They wanted to move forward and Alan had to contact US Club soccer. This stuff has all been documented. You can come up with why OC does what they do but FKK will always do what it must to defend themselves. If folks start to take the higher road than this will eventually go away. Last but not least DA and ECNL are fantastic programs. If you think about it all the other clubs are competing against Purple. Remove DA and ECNL and where would you go if you were a player. Where do you think the focus will be at OC. DA and ECNL are fine but if that is not your cup of tea than the competition begins.

Think about it.

They wanted "to do their own thing" on OCYS fields within OCYS territory. FYSA asked OC if they would support the new club and OC said no. That is well documented. In regards to AH objecting to US Club Soccer, I have yet to see "this stuff has all been documented" So instead of writing fake emails, why don't you post the link to AH official protest. Go ahead and show us.

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Orlando City went after David Beckham with the #builtnotbought campaign.

OCYS is #assemblednotdeveloped

Steal it and brand it Purple.