OCYS Consolidated Thread

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Hey stupid!!!!!!!! Just like OC you have no clue how college recruiting works. Not 1 kid on that team has signed. F---ing idiot.

Angry, aren't we?!?!

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The only thing that I take issue with is OC claiming that they pointed him out to the national team. I am not saying that he didn't improve by playing on the Pre-DA, and the DA team. He is truly a gifted player from what I have seen but he was at national team training in California when he was a CFK. He has been on their radar since then. Before that he was a talented player at EOS I believe. If my memory is correct, he got to the training just after he was at EOS and just before starting at CFK. I hope all the best for him, but OC did not discover him, he was already discovered. Below s the roster from when he was in Carson.

August 5, 2011
Carson, CA
U.S. Soccer National Training Center

Team 1 (Red)
24 Abraham Romero
40 Andrew Romig
11 Juan Riley
15 Trey Vinson
17 Tanner Dieterich
98 Derek Waldeck
80 Michael Pimlott
42 James Edwards
49 Luis Guadalupe
35 Javier Cortez
56 Nicholas King
64 Thomas Golden
81 Luka Prpa
47 Orrin Gaines
31 Eric Calvillo
32 Kevin Coleman
93 Raheem Taylor-Parkes
94 Sean Teixeira
100 Haji Wright
87 Joseph Schmidt
61 Haji Adbikadir
67 David Loera

He played at hunters creek, then FCA, then cfk.

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The best thing that could happen to this kid is to get as far away from OC as possible. Get into a situation where the kid actually has some coaching rather than a bunch of idiots drooling over his dribbling skills. This kid is a great little player that got absolutely no coaching for the two years he played at OC.

Hope he takes the opportunity and runs with it.

The worse thing that happened to this kid was having MM as coach. MM put him on a pedestal. Kid has horrible work ethic, somewhat clueless on the field but has tremendous skill and pretty to look at. But MM killed that kid. But this kid was on the radar long before CFK or OC came along.

Good luck kid but run as far as you can from these idiots.

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Does this stuff also work for diarhhea of the mouth?
http://images.ddccdn.com/otc/100456/...arrheal-01.jpg
If so, please ship a semi tractor-trailer load of it to Orlando FL.

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Did anyone see the article on OC website about kid called to U17 national team? Guess someone will find issue with that too.

actually, though I am a critic of OC, I think the young man deserves the acclaim and support of the entire Orlando soccer community. I have no problem with individual players- but that Club and its arrogant management is a different stroy.

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I am claiming that a rising senior has signed, yes. Of course anyone who is a rising junior would not have signed. Look, this is a bit ridiculous isn't it? Are you not happy that the boys who are eligible by age have signed or have verbal commitments? There's only a handful of boys on that U16 team who are younger. You seem to not want to believe that something good has actually come from this DA team. Do you know that several who came from the U18 team are actually playing college soccer next year as well?

Well, i was expecting another few lame comments from this poster ^^^ after getting called out on the misinformation about DA "signings".

Does anyone have info concerning DA vebal commitments that may result in NLI signings on Feb 6, 2014? Has there been some central Florida boys picked up? if so, this would be a positive sign for the first year of DA.

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Does this stuff also work for diarhhea of the mouth?
http://images.ddccdn.com/otc/100456/...arrheal-01.jpg
If so, please ship a semi tractor-trailer load of it to Orlando FL.

Oh goody- another comedian.

If you can stop giggling over your clever joke for a moment, you may have noticed that this thread has actually settled down quite a bit, and there's actually some decent posts.

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Well, i was expecting another few lame comments from this poster ^^^ after getting called out on the misinformation about DA "signings".

Does anyone have info concerning DA vebal commitments that may result in NLI signings on Feb 6, 2014? Has there been some central boys picked up? if so, this would be a positive sign for the first year of DA.

I am personally curious about how the verbal commitments actually work. I understand about national signing day, etc, but is a verbal commitment on the player's side, the school's side, or both? Is it binding? I think some people use the term "signing" to actually mean verbal commitment. I don't know all of the boys on the DA team, but I have heard of a couple with verbal commitments, but I always wondered what that actually meant. I have read through the rules and I don't completely understand about the July 1 date, etc.
Can anyone share? My son is not on DA, but still interested in playing college so any info. would be helpful.

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I am personally curious about how the verbal commitments actually work. I understand about national signing day, etc, but is a verbal commitment on the player's side, the school's side, or both? Is it binding? I think some people use the term "signing" to actually mean verbal commitment. I don't know all of the boys on the DA team, but I have heard of a couple with verbal commitments, but I always wondered what that actually meant. I have read through the rules and I don't completely understand about the July 1 date, etc.
Can anyone share? My son is not on DA, but still interested in playing college so any info. would be helpful.

Sure, I'll try from personal experience. My daughter is a 2014 "commit" to a D1 school.

As you have probably read, the National Letter of Intent is actually a binding contract for one year between a player and school. The palyer receives athletic scholarship $ in exchange for playing the sport at the particular school.

The NCAA regulates the "signing window" in all players Senior years by sport. The signing window is 14 days. Most players do a "signing ceremony" on the first day of the signing window. Any contract signed prior to or after the signing window is invalid under NCAA rules.

A "verbal commitment" occurs prior to signing an NLI. It is literally just that; a verbal-only agreement between the school (usually represented by the coach) and the player that describes the terms of the scholarship. In soccer, the scholarships can be 'partial", which allows the coach flexibility in getting SOME money to most rostered players.

The verbal commitment is NOT technically 'binding' on the parties. There is, however incentive for both parties to honor the terms until it is formalized by the NLI. If a coach were to arbitrarily break a verbal commitment, it can do serious damage to the coach/school's reputation and hurt future recruiting. If a player breaks the commitment, he/she may have a difficult time getting another.

The elements of a verbal commitment should be well-detailed, particularly in the case of a "partial". The agreement can include percentages of expenses for housing, tuition, meal plans and books. The deal can also include "waiver of out-of-state tuition" for a player, as well as many other minor but detailed elements.

Hope this helps. I'm sure other posters can flesh this out further.

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Sure, I'll try from personal experience. My daughter is a 2014 "commit" to a D1 school.

As you have probably read, the National Letter of Intent is actually a binding contract for one year between a player and school. The palyer receives athletic scholarship $ in exchange for playing the sport at the particular school.

The NCAA regulates the "signing window" in all players Senior years by sport. The signing window is 14 days. Most players do a "signing ceremony" on the first day of the signing window. Any contract signed prior to or after the signing window is invalid under NCAA rules.

A "verbal commitment" occurs prior to signing an NLI. It is literally just that; a verbal-only agreement between the school (usually represented by the coach) and the player that describes the terms of the scholarship. In soccer, the scholarships can be 'partial", which allows the coach flexibility in getting SOME money to most rostered players.

The verbal commitment is NOT technically 'binding' on the parties. There is, however incentive for both parties to honor the terms until it is formalized by the NLI. If a coach were to arbitrarily break a verbal commitment, it can do serious damage to the coach/school's reputation and hurt future recruiting. If a player breaks the commitment, he/she may have a difficult time getting another.

The elements of a verbal commitment should be well-detailed, particularly in the case of a "partial". The agreement can include percentages of expenses for housing, tuition, meal plans and books. The deal can also include "waiver of out-of-state tuition" for a player, as well as many other minor but detailed elements.

Hope this helps. I'm sure other posters can flesh this out further.

Thanks. Good info. So the July 1 date - am I misunderstanding this? I thought it said coaches could not contact (boys) prior to July 1 of their senior year. So if this is true, how does the verbal commitment take place prior to July 1? I do know of several boys who have made the verbal commitment prior to July 1 (at least this is what they have said).

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Thanks. Good info. So the July 1 date - am I misunderstanding this? I thought it said coaches could not contact (boys) prior to July 1 of their senior year. So if this is true, how does the verbal commitment take place prior to July 1? I do know of several boys who have made the verbal commitment prior to July 1 (at least this is what they have said).

Communication rules are complex- I think what you are referencing is the rule that forbids direct contact INITIATED by a coach. As I recall for my daughter it was forbidden prior to September 1 of her Junior year.

Interesting twist on this: note the emphasis on who "initiates" contact; prior to September 1st of Junior year in HS, the athlete may call the coach- and the coach can pick up the phone if he/she is available. It is also permissable for the athlete to email the coach about recrutiing activities. The coach is limited to sending generic invitations to soccer camps by mail or email, but IS ALLOWED to discuss the player through third-parties- such as a club coach or Director. It's all very cloak and dagger- which is why the date when free communication is allowed is a relief for all.

Even after the communication window opens, there are still CERTAIN instances after that date when direct communication is forbidden. For instance, the universities that wanted to extend offers to my daughter during a showcase tournament could not do so directly at the tournament, because they were registered as "attending institutions". They had to speak with the club officials, who then passed the offers to the player.

Again, hope this helps some. Further research with NCAA is recommended.

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Visit the NCAA website for correct information.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ble/Recruiting

Educate yourself with the facts.

Signed a former College Coach

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Visit the NCAA website for correct information.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ble/Recruiting

Educate yourself with the facts.

Signed a former College Coach

I actually have read them several times and still find parts of them to be very confusing.
Thanks though. Will do further research and appreciate the info.

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Here's a direct link to the NCAA's PDF of the contact guidelines. it gives more detail concerning the contact rules for "September 1st of Junior Year" and "July 1st after Junior Year".

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...cruiting+guide

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That is why every school has a NCAA Compliance officer to advise, monitor and educate every coach on staff.
Full time job a most colleges.