OCYS Consolidated Thread

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I am a delusional Parent and be happy by knowing that.
Equal training opportunity is in terms of days/wk, facility and coach access. Coaches do know what to do with that time they get, players do know what to do with that- make an honest effort to develop the skills which you were told you dont have. Next time you may have it.

Issue is: you deprive them that facility access, coach and time . But you still charge them the same high FEE !
Then you treat boys and girls differently!! For what reason?!!!

Who in their non-delusional mind thinks this is fair?

Spare us your Title IX soapbox speech. Skills aren't developed at trainings ... there's nowhere near enough time. A good coach shows technique but it's up to the players to develop and perfect those techniques at home. That's where you come in as a parent. You can take responsibility for helping your DD become the little Mia you know she can be if only trainings were fair. Any player you've ever seen with fantastic skills developed them outside of team training, so you don't / can't rely on team trainings to develop your Mia's skills. See win / win.

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Lawyer? You are going to add to the judicial mess by taking a coach or club to court because they dumped your daughter? Lady, you told all of Orlando and Tampa that you were broke and couldn't afford to play soccer. Looking for a handout from both teams. Now you have money for a lawyer? For Youth Soccer? If I am AH, I bring you onboard (and you will pay) then play your kid 5 minutes per game. Oh by the way mom, there is no guaranteed playing time. What a mess you are!

Does this mean she is looking for another club? What next. Were full but were not ecnl so I assume were safe.

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Spare us your Title IX soapbox speech. Skills aren't developed at trainings ... there's nowhere near enough time. A good coach shows technique but it's up to the players to develop and perfect those techniques at home. That's where you come in as a parent. You can take responsibility for helping your DD become the little Mia you know she can be if only trainings were fair. Any player you've ever seen with fantastic skills developed them outside of team training, so you don't / can't rely on team trainings to develop your Mia's skills. See win / win.

Agree in general reality. Why the same cannot be applicable to all other teams/players?

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Please check this poll and help us.

http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=120995

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I cry all the time that's how I get people to do what I want . I want my kid as good or better then yours. I think it's because the coach is giving your kid more attention. My kid gets it he tries to understand but he is not as good as your kid and that makes me made. It has to be the coaches fault I demand the club stop everything for my kid I demand this. I do not my kid staying back a year in soccer next year I pay the same and I demand you hold back the stars so my kind and I can enjoy this we demand it we deserve it we never loose. Coach help my kid the good kids are already good do not make them great let my kid train with them they will make them better I just know it they will challenge that star kid they just need to train with the star kids. Hey the hardworking kids need to help make my kid better I pay for this I pay for you coach you owe my kid . If you do not help my kid I will take my kid else ware and MY MONEY you will be sorry when my kid beats your star kids on your one sided team.

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Agree in general reality. Why the same cannot be applicable to all other teams/players?

The real question you have to answer for yourself is are you satisfied with the training your daughter is receiving without comparing it to what others at your club are doing. If you are, then you ought to be happy she's getting the training she is. The other strategy you should consider is moving to a club that allows and even encourages players to train with other teams within the club. Some clubs strictly prohibit this, but others that give more than lip service to development environment allow it. Sounds as though you would be happier at a club that would allow your daughter to train with other teams.

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Her kid would be a bench sub for you all. Don't lose sleep over this. Unless you all need subs.

You parents are crazy. While you're on here bashing her they have moved on and played two games with a new club this weekend.

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Yes, thank you, we agree.
I do not know what age group this is.
But what we see is the ALMIGHTY know it coaches already decide which child is a defender and mostly their child as mid-field. Then they make all others send the ball to mid-field which means mid-field gets about 100 touches to the 10 touches a defender gets.
Smart experienced coaches set up equal touches at their training and play everyone at different positions based on opposition team level at games.
Yes, it is players/parents off-the club that makes a player better in First Touch which can be done 7 days a week.
CLUBS don't have to worry about what happens at home, but just provide EQUAL TRAINING to all, specially at lower age groups!

My daughter has even been told to allow the forwards to split the defense so that the forwards can take shots and get crosses off. Seriously...she can't get touches and she can't even defend sometimes at practice. Coaches need to wake up.

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The real question you have to answer for yourself is are you satisfied with the training your daughter is receiving without comparing it to what others at your club are doing. If you are, then you ought to be happy she's getting the training she is. The other strategy you should consider is moving to a club that allows and even encourages players to train with other teams within the club. Some clubs strictly prohibit this, but others that give more than lip service to development environment allow it. Sounds as though you would be happier at a club that would allow your daughter to train with other teams.

Why you are selective in talking about only what suits you?
Answer the question: Can you CHARGE SAME FEES to all and give 2 days of that value to one child and 3 days of value to the other one? It is as simple as that.
In our opinion it is STEALING from the first and serving the favorite ones.

Our parents and grand parents worked hard in building certain things around here. We are not going anywhere. You take your BIAS UNFAIRNESS to where ever you have come from.

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Why you are selective in talking about only what suits you?
Answer the question: Can you CHARGE SAME FEES to all and give 2 days of that value to one child and 3 days of value to the other one? It is as simple as that.
In our opinion it is STEALING from the first and serving the favorite ones.

Our parents and grand parents worked hard in building certain things around here. We are not going anywhere. You take your BIAS UNFAIRNESS to where ever you have come from.

Dude, next time you get on an airplane ask the business men sitting in 1st class how much they paid for their seats. Less than you flying coach I'm willing to bet. Life ain't fair. Life rewards winners. And frequent fliers. And preferred customers. The masses pay retail. Or shop at Walmart. If the club said you practice 2x per week when you signed up, that's what you bought. If they offered 3x or 4x per week to the 1st team to attract talent, then that's their deal. Get over it. Cut your best deal next June or take your business elsewhere.

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Spare us your Title IX soapbox speech. Skills aren't developed at trainings ... there's nowhere near enough time. A good coach shows technique but it's up to the players to develop and perfect those techniques at home. That's where you come in as a parent. You can take responsibility for helping your DD become the little Mia you know she can be if only trainings were fair. Any player you've ever seen with fantastic skills developed them outside of team training, so you don't / can't rely on team trainings to develop your Mia's skills. See win / win.

That is total B! S!

The best way for players to improve their skill is at practice playing under pressure. While I agree that kids should work on their own if they want to continue to improve, the practice environment is key.

Also anytime someone refers to some kid they don't even know as a Mia as a way to insult their parents should really get their head examined. That is someones child you are talking about. Grow up.

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uh, yeah. won 5 out of 5. and not on accepted list. CASL is at diff time too. no conflict there and already accepted there.

Winning 5 out of 5 in and of itself doesn't mean you won acceptance. Did the team earn the championship or finalist title? If they did you have a valid complaint. If they didn't then deal with it and move on.

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Dude, next time you get on an airplane ask the business men sitting in 1st class how much they paid for their seats. Less than you flying coach I'm willing to bet. Life ain't fair. Life rewards winners. And frequent fliers. And preferred customers. The masses pay retail. Or shop at Walmart. If the club said you practice 2x per week when you signed up, that's what you bought. If they offered 3x or 4x per week to the 1st team to attract talent, then that's their deal. Get over it. Cut your best deal next June or take your business elsewhere.

Very bad choice of an example. Air Flight vs Youth Soccer? I knew from the beginning, you are the VERY VERY wrong person dealing with youth soccer. That is why I am afraid how many more HOPES you will destroy with such comparisons.
You want to talk about Airlines business, I can give you a clinic in that.

You are NOT Hired to REWARD anybody, let LIFE decide that! Your JOB is to give your best to all as their investment returns.
If you have invested your own money on our kids, then you may chose to do what you want. Not until then.

You are destroying a bright future opportunity of OCYS without realizing its future business value.
FYI, Walmart is very strong in its foundation, one of the top performing companies.

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Winning 5 out of 5 in and of itself doesn't mean you won acceptance. Did the team earn the championship or finalist title? If they did you have a valid complaint. If they didn't then deal with it and move on.

Can you win 5 out of 5 and not win the championship or finalist? Just asking because I don't see how.

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First team players get better training understand and first team pays the same as second team and third team . Some clubs have less payed called development. Ok so first team is training against the same level get it ! They do not go backwards to help third team they go forward understand ! Simple put better training for first team players sorry simple fact always has been but clubs are glad to stroke you along take your money but your still part of development below first team understand! We all pay the same but we do not all train the same why because some players are not ready to play and train the same understand! This is competitive travel soccer correct not development travel soccer correct first team is competitive correct what is 2nd and 3 team oh ya development . This is not rocket science is it we are sorry you have no experience with this and want to change the wheel but you will loose if you win guess what first team players will leave to a team the does not allow parents to run. That why if you read fine print it tells you a child will have to win his or her starting place this means training space also ! My thought you should play rec you can control this and you will get equal training.