OCYS Consolidated Thread

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Absolutely. The instant that coach laid hands on the ref he had every right to do whatever he could to defend himself. Is he supposed to just stand there and allow himself to be attacked????

If you read the sequence of events carefully it seems that the coach did not put the ref in a headlock until AFTER the headbutt.

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If you read the sequence of events carefully it seems that the coach did not put the ref in a headlock until AFTER the headbutt.

Whatever happened this past Saturday at Central Winter Park In Seminole County Florida we can all agree it's embarrassing for Orlando City Youth Soccer. Say, spin, fabricate what you want a coach attacking a ref from behind and choking him to his knees before the ref kicked the Orlando City coaches ass.

Orlando City has been an embarressment since day one of their arrival.

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and your point is?

who cares how many local rec teams come to this U5 event. The big question for tax payers in how many hotel rooms are being booked in Seminole County Florida

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So if he did headbutt the coach you condone that behavior?

I'm not interested in hypotheticals- I'm interested in facts. The FACTS i know are:

- Coach abusively protested a "non-call"
- Coach was shown a red card
- Coach entered the pitch (some say 'charged")
- Coach confronted referee, continued to abuse referee
- Coach touched, struck, gripped or choked referee with hand or hands at the referee's neck.

Two days after these facts are reported, suddenly someone says "oh yeah, the ref headbutted him". I don't believe that.

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Not a talking head nor am I from OCYS, just someone who was at the field and saw (from a distance) what happened. Didn't hear anything...but the events as I described in the post you're referring to are accurate and yes - they are my "version"...but my version (as someone who saw it) is far more believeable than 99% of the other posters regarding this topic.

except for the versions of people who were also "eyewitnesses", were not "at a distance" and saw no "headbutt".

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If you read the sequence of events carefully it seems that the coach did not put the ref in a headlock until AFTER the headbutt.

that sequence of events is wrong.

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except for the versions of people who were also "eyewitnesses", were not "at a distance" and saw no "headbutt".

Then did the coach spontaneously start bleeding all by himself?

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Um, I am a referee who is obviously interested in this, and I find one thing glaringly wrong in the description of events: coaches are not red carded, they are told to leave. We have a three phase system called ask, tell, remove. Ask the person to stop their behavior, tell them to stop, then have them removed. We can skip to step 3 if the behavior is abusive, but no cards are shown.

Also, I cannot believe, well I guess I can with the track record of the OC and Krazy people, that the fkk people are using this as an attack on OC. Karma is a b*tch, so you people need to stop. What if this was one of your coaches, hmm? Wouldn't feel too good, right?

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I'm not interested in hypotheticals- I'm interested in facts. The FACTS i know are:

- Coach abusively protested a "non-call"
- Coach was shown a red card
- Coach entered the pitch (some say 'charged")
- Coach confronted referee, continued to abuse referee
- Coach touched, struck, gripped or choked referee with hand or hands at the referee's neck.

Two days after these facts are reported, suddenly someone says "oh yeah, the ref headbutted him". I don't believe that.

You mean is two days after the event someone on these boards first mentioned a headbutt. That was absolutely the conversation at the field and the police took statments to that effect and decided not to charge anyone with anything. Just because no one posted it on this obscure little gripe-board until after the fact means nothing.

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When you're in a hole...

Then did the coach spontaneously start bleeding all by himself?

who the hell knows, Columbo? Maybe he got caught with a fist or an elbow AFTER he started choking the referee. I guarantee you if some jackass in a purple Orlando City shirt charges out on the field and chokes me he's leaving on a stretcher.

This is all just speculation to somehow justify or rationalize the coach's actions. Bottom line- if the guy had the sense God gave an earthworm, he wouldn't a) abuse the officials, b) charge onto the pitch and confront an official and c) be the subject of discussion on TS.

But, please keep arguing. It's great PR for your "professionally run youth soccer club".

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I am not with or against OCYS therefore I am a neutral party.

Maybe the referee headbutted him to get OUT of the headlock.

Lol. You clearly don't understand the mechanics of a headlock.

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Then did the coach spontaneously start bleeding all by himself?

I think you may be on to something- since all OCYS personnal are "gifts from Heaven", spontaneous bleeding may be a possibility.

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who cares how many local rec teams come to this U5 event. The big question for tax payers in how many hotel rooms are being booked in Seminole County Florida

Thousands. It's an economic boom.

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Or perhaps those kids just wanted to play in a more relaxed atmosphere without having to pay $1,000 to be told their kid is better than everyone else. What an incredibly ignorant comment.

I agree with you. Not everyone can afford being on a club that asks for that much money.

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First off, the player was very close to being offside. He started his run in his own half but your son's pass was late so the player was right at the line. He was offside from my vantage point, but it was very close. The ref had no linesman on that side and he shouldn't have been questioned about that call.

But let's be absolutely clear about who threw the first blow. The coach definately got into the referee's face after he was red carded, but he did not touch the referee until after the ref head butted him. This was witnessed by both benches and for anyone close to the action this fact is not in dispute. My guess is the starter of this thread was the fat guy in the blue shirt that went charging across the field to insert himself into the fight like some half-***ed Rambo. He was on the complete opposite side of the field and would not have been able to see the head-butt from his angle.

I don't condone the coach's actions, he was out of line and initiated the confrontation. However, 2 wrongs don't make a right and the referree should also be suspended.

It was not witnessed by both benches you dumb ass, get your facts straight.