2018 HS Girls Soccer

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The only power in RI is with RIIL. RIIL makes the state rules, runs the year end tournaments and makes the money. Beyond asking coaches for their All Division selections and holding a banquet, what really is the purpose behind RIGSCA? I don’t think RIIL listens to RIGSCA on anything important do they?

You are correct in that All Division is really a participation award. When coaches announce the All Division selections to their teams are they going to tell them that they alone picked them? If the players knew their own coach gave them the award and they weren’t selected by a statewide panel of coaches, it would diminish the significance and they would probably want to skip a night at the Crown Plaza pasta station. If RIGSCA holds a party and no one shows up will they keep holding it? Maybe you can get on the board and fix this.

Being All State in RI isn’t like saying you’re All State in someplace like FL, but we can’t change where we live, so should we not have All State selections? Coaches need to be involved in picking All State but they should not be able to nominate or promote their own players. That’s not how it’s done in big states and that’s what made the whole process biased when the RI coaches did it. When OTHER coaches notice players, that might be a better indication of a good player. Let’s see how the Projo does. I think you would agree that sometimes change is good and needed .

Don’t kid yourself. A bigger state will only be the same problem on a bigger political scale. In Florida, as you brought up, how would any one body have the ability to view every school? It is a crappy system but tough to do better.

The worst is for kids on crappy programs who have no shot. You could put OF from lasalle (good player still) on the last place team and she would struggle to be noticed since her strength is not creating, but rather finishing. People would recognize skill, but not enough to standout.

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Just my general beef - what is the point of RIGSCA? Do they actually advocate (I mean formally to ADs/Principals) for better rules/policies?

So if (mostly) public money is being used to fund awards and a dinner, why should the taxpayers pick that up? Taxpayers should pay for running the sport (publics), but awards and a banquet should be covered by parents who attend or other non-public sources. If you are going to take taxpayer money, then follow the rules for disclosure and actually do something (like run a halfway decent JV tournament, push for field standards, etc.)

Yes, it would seem too many awards - should just be one team per division and then from those 3 teams an all-state team is picked. At one point, didn't they also have "all division" team within the D1 when it has geo breakouts? Simple ballot as described earlier and then convene to debate the results.

Agree with much of last paragraph, but let’s be honest, nobody would vote at all for kids on the last three or four placed teams since the team made no impact. This would totally overshadow some talented kids who just didn’t have the benefit of a big supporting cast. The top kid on Bayview or EG or Burrillville or Portsmouth would absolutely be in the running for starting on most any D1 program if they alone were given the opportunity. Much like any top kid in the state would not by themselves turn one of these lower programs into a powerhouse like Lasalle. Some of these kids play on the same club teams as the top kids, with the only difference being that they are the only ones doing so on their high school team.

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You are a jerk...
Win or lose it makes sense to have it settled while playing the game, and often a rhythm isn’t found in just s five minute session....

And my kid won

5 minute session? you've been playing for 80 minutes at this point. If you're not in a rhythm by then, another 10 minutes is going to help?

Yes I am a jerk and my kid won as well :)

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5 minute session? you've been playing for 80 minutes at this point. If you're not in a rhythm by then, another 10 minutes is going to help?

Yes I am a jerk and my kid won as well :)

Again you miss the point that after rhythm has been established in either half, the long break disrupts the rhythm, at which point short five minute sessions don’t allow for it.

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Agree with much of last paragraph, but let’s be honest, nobody would vote at all for kids on the last three or four placed teams since the team made no impact. This would totally overshadow some talented kids who just didn’t have the benefit of a big supporting cast. The top kid on Bayview or EG or Burrillville or Portsmouth would absolutely be in the running for starting on most any D1 program if they alone were given the opportunity. Much like any top kid in the state would not by themselves turn one of these lower programs into a powerhouse like Lasalle. Some of these kids play on the same club teams as the top kids, with the only difference being that they are the only ones doing so on their high school team.

Ha so true...good luck getting the top two seeds to buy into that

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Agree with much of last paragraph, but let’s be honest, nobody would vote at all for kids on the last three or four placed teams since the team made no impact. This would totally overshadow some talented kids who just didn’t have the benefit of a big supporting cast. The top kid on Bayview or EG or Burrillville or Portsmouth would absolutely be in the running for starting on most any D1 program if they alone were given the opportunity. Much like any top kid in the state would not by themselves turn one of these lower programs into a powerhouse like Lasalle. Some of these kids play on the same club teams as the top kids, with the only difference being that they are the only ones doing so on their high school team.

I agree that kids on the lower seeded teams will be looked down upon even though they really are just as good as top players on other teams.
Yes, they all play club together and there isn't really a standout when they are all playing club within their own age group.
The difference with HS soccer is now you have 3-4 age groups playing together and some people will stand out a bit more because of age, size, strength, ability, adapts better, etc. Better players? Possibly to most likely. Here are your few players that make the first or second team all state.
The rest of the "individual awards" should be gone. It's a team sport it's not tennis.
First and second team all state, yes.
Replace the all division awards with a Leading Scorer, Best GK, Best Defender?

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I agree that kids on the lower seeded teams will be looked down upon even though they really are just as good as top players on other teams.
Yes, they all play club together and there isn't really a standout when they are all playing club within their own age group.
The difference with HS soccer is now you have 3-4 age groups playing together and some people will stand out a bit more because of age, size, strength, ability, adapts better, etc. Better players? Possibly to most likely. Here are your few players that make the first or second team all state.
The rest of the "individual awards" should be gone. It's a team sport it's not tennis.
First and second team all state, yes.
Replace the all division awards with a Leading Scorer, Best GK, Best Defender?

Well, even that gets tricky. Golden boot by division is simple; Best GK or defender based on? Saves (and assists) are not uniformly counted. Your back to again subjective calls and reputation.

I like the idea of the all-state match/tryout, just not sure how it could be done the same as was mentioned in VT/NH. RI would get killed playing a MA/CT team.

Maybe a scrambled D1/D2/D3 match between two teams nominated by the coaches would help - just not sure the will or logistics to pull it off when there is no pull like those states have with their state vs state match format established.

The coaches should just step up and do it as best as possible.

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Again you miss the point that after rhythm has been established in either half, the long break disrupts the rhythm, at which point short five minute sessions don’t allow for it.

What long break? Between regulation and OT. It's not that long!

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Well, even that gets tricky. Golden boot by division is simple; Best GK or defender based on? Saves (and assists) are not uniformly counted. Your back to again subjective calls and reputation.

I like the idea of the all-state match/tryout, just not sure how it could be done the same as was mentioned in VT/NH. RI would get killed playing a MA/CT team.

Maybe a scrambled D1/D2/D3 match between two teams nominated by the coaches would help - just not sure the will or logistics to pull it off when there is no pull like those states have with their state vs state match format established.

The coaches should just step up and do it as best as possible.

Coaches have stepped up for years to do this. They have left it to the Projo to be more aligned with boys association. That’s what I was told today

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What long break? Between regulation and OT. It's not that long!

It is like calling a timeout in a game, which typically is done to break any momentum that an opposing team may have. Coaching 101. In this case that timeout often seems to work to slow both teams.

Don’t know why you can’t accept that a high proportion of RI overtime games end with no scoring. IT IS LIKELY CHANGING NEXT YEAR so save your arguments for then.

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All division teams selected..seems banquet is cutting back on free attendees.

Still at PROJO for all state

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All division teams selected..seems banquet is cutting back on free attendees.

Still at PROJO for all state

What a joke....the projo writers can't possibly see a good even sampling of all games...it will never be perfect and without bias, but at least let the coaches do the selections. They play each team in their respective divisions...what will projo go by, the useless inflated stats of lower divisions and sporadic scoring for d1? total omission of players with defensive skills? no representation for players on teams with poor records?

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What a joke....the projo writers can't possibly see a good even sampling of all games...it will never be perfect and without bias, but at least let the coaches do the selections. They play each team in their respective divisions...what will projo go by, the useless inflated stats of lower divisions and sporadic scoring for d1? total omission of players with defensive skills? no representation for players on teams with poor records?

Fact: Journal will call LaSalle (first without a doubt) regarding who they would like on all-state. And will get their opinion on the rest of the players for all state. Then they will call a few other coaches and get their opinions if they haven't talked to some of these coaches already. They will NOT call ALL the coaches. So all-state will be picked by a few. You will have a few that definitely belong there. This should be interesting.
So, yes, it was much better when the coaches were nominating and voting. It wasn't perfect but at least all D1 and D2 coaches had a say and a vote. Once again, it will never be perfect but that's life.

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Can we assume that All State selections will come from
the All Division list? Or do they select different players? Like “I’m not giving X player All Division honors, because they are likely to be All State?” ... or would they just be the same players, but fewer of them?

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Can we assume that All State selections will come from
the All Division list? Or do they select different players? Like “I’m not giving X player All Division honors, because they are likely to be All State?” ... or would they just be the same players, but fewer of them?

If they want to make it like the boys division, why not both the boys and girls coaches select all state awards for their respective league? projo should just publish the all state list that the coaches select, which is basically what they used to do anyway