2013 Girls HS Soccer

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EWG middle of the pack, check the standings they are tied for the number 4 seed. EWG scrimmaged preseason all the top teams except Lincoln and Pilgrim and crushed them all so I would think since they are near the top of D1 they would be in D2. Not a EWG parent or coach just tired of never giving them credit. They seem to be a quality team.

Ok lets do a little math:

12 teams make the playoffs, 1-3 are top quarter, 4-8 middle, 9-12 bottom, 13-15 not part of the conversation.

I don't think anyone said they were a bad team. But they were touted as the best in the state. They aren't, they are, by their performance on the field, a middle table team

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Is it a "slide" when a team plays "easier" teams first and then the "tougher" teams in the latter half of the schedule? Does that make it a slide when the win the games they are expected to win and then lose the games they are expected to lose? If the schedule was reversed and they got the easier teams later in the season would people say then that the team "got its act together and is playing well" when they won those games. The schedule is what it is and they have to play it.

that depends on the expectations and potential for the team..NK has had a lot of talent over the past few years..same with Portsmouth....those kind of teams are supposed to get better as the season progresses so if they are playing "tougher" teams later, they should expect to win more than their share or be competitive if they have talent. Losing 3-0 to Cumberland is a slide at this point in the season..

Your example is better suited for Smithfield..extremely tough first half but entering an easier stretch and not just winning, but dominating and playing better. Slow start against LSA and Portsmouth and one 5 minute lapse to allow EWG to tie, but

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A few good points here. Here's another thing that gets bandied about regarding high school soccer that is mostly untrue; high soccer is more physical than club soccer.

Untrue. People who repeat this have never been to a U16, U17, U18 club soccer match played on a regional level. Go watch a match in the top level of NEP, or Region PL or the sub-regional league, or at the region 1 championships at URI next July. You will see play that is every bit as physical as high school soccer (both genders). The difference is that the technical play of regional level clubs is superior to high school play. Thus, the physicality of high school soccer stands out more due to poor technical play from most of its players.

I hear it all the time "high school is more physical than club soccer". Actually witness a top level club soccer match first before you buy into this theory. It's simply not so.

Fair enough, but you must admit that is is officiated differently. One of the big issues with HS soccer is that the officials frequently loose control of the game.

HS is fine for what it is. It clear though, that some teams, MT Hope being one, plays with disdain and malice for the laws of the game, good sportsmanship and their opponents.

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A few good points here. Here's another thing that gets bandied about regarding high school soccer that is mostly untrue; high soccer is more physical than club soccer.

Untrue. People who repeat this have never been to a U16, U17, U18 club soccer match played on a regional level. Go watch a match in the top level of NEP, or Region PL or the sub-regional league, or at the region 1 championships at URI next July. You will see play that is every bit as physical as high school soccer (both genders). The difference is that the technical play of regional level clubs is superior to high school play. Thus, the physicality of high school soccer stands out more due to poor technical play from most of its players.

I hear it all the time "high school is more physical than club soccer". Actually witness a top level club soccer match first before you buy into this theory. It's simply not so.

My daughter has played premier in NEP and Maple as well as showcase and SC tournaments over the last 4 years.

In 3 years of HS soccer I have witnessed 3x as many severe injuries in HS soccer than premier.

I know, some of it is the overall caliber of the players, but the style and collision happy coaches and players in HS soccer makes it much more dangerous.

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My daughter has played premier in NEP and Maple as well as showcase and SC tournaments over the last 4 years.

In 3 years of HS soccer I have witnessed 3x as many severe injuries in HS soccer than premier.

I know, some of it is the overall caliber of the players, but the style and collision happy coaches and players in HS soccer makes it much more dangerous.

Well, HS soccer season has more than twice as many games as premier.

I've seen plenty of nasty collisions and injuries in club soccer. I was at the boys u16 regional final at URI this past July; AC Arlington VA versus Smithtown NY. It was probably the most physical match I've ever seen. AND the technical side of it was as good as I've ever seen.

The physical play of HS soccer is just more obvious simply because the technical side is so bad. You just notice the physical play more.

Bad first touches in HS soccer lend itself to more challenges. Again, making the physical play more obvious.

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A few good points here. Here's another thing that gets bandied about regarding high school soccer that is mostly untrue; high soccer is more physical than club soccer.

Untrue. People who repeat this have never been to a U16, U17, U18 club soccer match played on a regional level. Go watch a match in the top level of NEP, or Region PL or the sub-regional league, or at the region 1 championships at URI next July. You will see play that is every bit as physical as high school soccer (both genders). The difference is that the technical play of regional level clubs is superior to high school play. Thus, the physicality of high school soccer stands out more due to poor technical play from most of its players.

I hear it all the time "high school is more physical than club soccer". Actually witness a top level club soccer match first before you buy into this theory. It's simply not so.

Last two posts -- yes, high school soccer is great, not bashing it just because it is not as "beautiful" as (better level) club soccer...even MS soccer is great, especially the playoffs. But there are elements that could make it a better experience.

I know many TS posters have the wait until Nov to the real season starts..but the sad thing I have seen in my admittedly anecdotal experiences from the players of my kids' club teams is that many of them come to loathe school soccer..they'll love their teammates, but the crappy coaching (and I mean coaches that talk incessantly, don't motivate or inspire, that think running 3 miles or 20 suicides makes you better than working on tactics or heaven forbid actual soccer match like activities, that play kids over others simply because the kid looks like they are hustling 100% of the time and will smash around even if it means losing their mark or giving away silly fouls), the coaches that train 6-7 days a week and forget the kids already have messed up sleep biorhythms, homework, SAT, teen anxieties, etc..

Yes, you are right that those high level club games are physical..but the kids have either been trained in how to be physical or the opponents have the skill to beat the players who just are brute force physical..or the refs are better and the players that get beat or give up too many fouls get yanked by the coach..

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Well, HS soccer season has more than twice as many games as premier.

I've seen plenty of nasty collisions and injuries in club soccer. I was at the boys u16 regional final at URI this past July; AC Arlington VA versus Smithtown NY. It was probably the most physical match I've ever seen. AND the technical side of it was as good as I've ever seen.

The physical play of HS soccer is just more obvious simply because the technical side is so bad. You just notice the physical play more.

Bad first touches in HS soccer lend itself to more challenges. Again, making the physical play more obvious.

You don't know what you are talking about, in spring premier they will play 7-8 league games, 3-6 games in early spring ice breakers, another 3-4 at Mem day, min 3-4 in state cup, plus most teams in those age groups play in a Thanksgiving tournament and maybe a father's day, so most premier will play 18-20 minimum and as many as 24-26. HS is 14 plus playoffs, if you make it to the final maybe 17-18 games.

I can't speak for everyone, but I know the difference between physical play and a foul. In HS many (most) fouls go unpunished. Technical soccer aside, a foul is a foul.

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You don't know what you are talking about, in spring premier they will play 7-8 league games, 3-6 games in early spring ice breakers, another 3-4 at Mem day, min 3-4 in state cup, plus most teams in those age groups play in a Thanksgiving tournament and maybe a father's day, so most premier will play 18-20 minimum and as many as 24-26. HS is 14 plus playoffs, if you make it to the final maybe 17-18 games.

I can't speak for everyone, but I know the difference between physical play and a foul. In HS many (most) fouls go unpunished. Technical soccer aside, a foul is a foul.

Fair enough about the premier season, you're right. But there are plenty of fouls that go uncalled in premier, too. My point is that the higher level technical play in premier tends to overshadow the level of physical play that exists there, too. The physical play in hs soccer is just more obvious because the technical play is bad.

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Fair enough about the premier season, you're right. But there are plenty of fouls that go uncalled in premier, too. My point is that the higher level technical play in premier tends to overshadow the level of physical play that exists there, too. The physical play in hs soccer is just more obvious because the technical play is bad.

I get what you are saying. I would say this. 3 ref vs. 2 makes a big difference, Maple aside, most premier refs are pretty good, they ref as much because they love the game as for the $. I would say 50% of the HS refs I see are out of shape, they look fairly disinterested and act like they are out past their bed times on the night games.

I actually enjoy HS soccer, but there are teams where it is fear they are coached to make deliberate contact after the play and some kids look like they could care less if they hurt an someone.

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You don't know what you are talking about, in spring premier they will play 7-8 league games, 3-6 games in early spring ice breakers, another 3-4 at Mem day, min 3-4 in state cup, plus most teams in those age groups play in a Thanksgiving tournament and maybe a father's day, so most premier will play 18-20 minimum and as many as 24-26. HS is 14 plus playoffs, if you make it to the final maybe 17-18 games.

I can't speak for everyone, but I know the difference between physical play and a foul. In HS many (most) fouls go unpunished. Technical soccer aside, a foul is a foul.

The youth season is spread out over 7-8 months..and with the exception of state cup qual games, one game a week with usually 2 days of non-organized soccer (maybe less if ODP).. kids get a chance to recharge..some do another sport..

HS is just about everyday for 2 months..imagine doing your club season in starting in late April and being done in June..

and if you know the difference, please become a ref because there are a whole lot out there who don't..or don't know the correct interpretation of handling, advantage, offside.. or try to interject themselves to teach players..such as game the other night..

Team B girl get injured in her defensive end..ball was in play.. ref stops play.. does a drop ball BUT tells one player from Team B to back off so girl from Team A can kick it to GK from Team B..Girl from Team A muffs drop ball and it goes to Team B defender about 20 yards from GK..everyone is a bit confused..ref points to GK so Team B defender plays nice controlled pass to GK..now GK is confused because she knows she should not pick it up..meanwhile Team A thinks the ball is in play and charges..ref blows whistle and tells Team GK to pick it up and punt it.. I think other ref was about to call the indirect for the handling of the back pass..

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Prout EG 0-0 at half

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The youth season is spread out over 7-8 months..and with the exception of state cup qual games, one game a week with usually 2 days of non-organized soccer (maybe less if ODP).. kids get a chance to recharge..some do another sport..

HS is just about everyday for 2 months..imagine doing your club season in starting in late April and being done in June..

and if you know the difference, please become a ref because there are a whole lot out there who don't..or don't know the correct interpretation of handling, advantage, offside.. or try to interject themselves to teach players..such as game the other night..

Team B girl get injured in her defensive end..ball was in play.. ref stops play.. does a drop ball BUT tells one player from Team B to back off so girl from Team A can kick it to GK from Team B..Girl from Team A muffs drop ball and it goes to Team B defender about 20 yards from GK..everyone is a bit confused..ref points to GK so Team B defender plays nice controlled pass to GK..now GK is confused because she knows she should not pick it up..meanwhile Team A thinks the ball is in play and charges..ref blows whistle and tells Team GK to pick it up and punt it.. I think other ref was about to call the indirect for the handling of the back pass..

Typical mucked up situation caused by a referee who doesnt know the LOTG or thinks some how he just knows better. There are only 17 of them, if you spend the time to learn them properly you are going to be fine 95% of the time.

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Someone send EGPD to the high school to apprehend ref Joe Carreiro for robbing Prout of tie with EG with phanthom hand ball call at 18 yard box late in second.

EG wins 1-0 and Joe collects his Bruno checks from eager EG parents in parking lot afterwards.

Nicely done Joe

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Ok lets do a little math:

12 teams make the playoffs, 1-3 are top quarter, 4-8 middle, 9-12 bottom, 13-15 not part of the conversation.

I don't think anyone said they were a bad team. But they were touted as the best in the state. They aren't, they are, by their performance on the field, a middle table team

Lets do equal math, make all parts even 1-5 top, 6-10 middle, 11-15 bottom.

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Someone send EGPD to the high school to apprehend ref Joe Carreiro for robbing Prout of tie with EG with phanthom hand ball call at 18 yard box late in second.

EG wins 1-0 and Joe collects his Bruno checks from eager EG parents in parking lot afterwards.

Nicely done Joe

Sore loser!!!