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when one measures the success of a team by wins and losses alone, one hasn't a clue about the goal of a program

Dear Clueless,

At the U14 level, Player development and winning really do go start to go hand in hand. At some point the programs that will try to "win at all cost" will stop winning because the well trained team will just out finesse them and make them look silly. If this wasn't the case then player development would have absolutely no value.

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They had 20-25 u12-u13 girls tryout? How did these girls find out about the tryouts? They have this huge turnout (for a RI club with no girls track record) and they are not going to form any teams? Come on! If you are going to make stuff up at least do a better job than that

Probably exaggerated a bit. They probably had 15-20 or even if they had the 25, that's not enough to field two teams. Who wants to play on a U13 team where half the kids are playing up?

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Probably exaggerated a bit. They probably had 15-20 or even if they had the 25, that's not enough to field two teams. Who wants to play on a U13 team where half the kids are playing up?

No, they had about 25 all together. Half were from Black Watch and half were from Lincoln YSA. What happened was that there was word going around that the prominent BW girls coach was coming over to RISC. So, a lot of excitement was generated locally (RISC is based out of Lincoln). When the BW coach ultimately stayed with BW, the BW girls stayed with him at BW, too. The Lincoln girls stayed with LYSA for 2 reasons, I'm told; 1) money, 2) RISC didn't have a coach for girls teams.

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Dear Clueless,

At the U14 level, Player development and winning really do go start to go hand in hand. At some point the programs that will try to "win at all cost" will stop winning because the well trained team will just out finesse them and make them look silly. If this wasn't the case then player development would have absolutely no value.

The teams that win are the teams that are perceived by parents as being the best at player development. The teams that win are ultimately going to attract the best players.

Club officials can make all the claims in the world about their club having the best training and development. But if they don't any win games, nobody is going to believe them. The best players will gravitate to the best teams.

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No, they had about 25 all together. Half were from Black Watch and half were from Lincoln YSA. What happened was that there was word going around that the prominent BW girls coach was coming over to RISC. So, a lot of excitement was generated locally (RISC is based out of Lincoln). When the BW coach ultimately stayed with BW, the BW girls stayed with him at BW, too. The Lincoln girls stayed with LYSA for 2 reasons, I'm told; 1) money, 2) RISC didn't have a coach for girls teams.

Maybe enough kids in one of the age groups to field a team. Though I am impressed that the Lincoln group showed up at all. LYSA is very Anti-Premier.

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The teams that win are the teams that are perceived by parents as being the best at player development. The teams that win are ultimately going to attract the best players.

Club officials can make all the claims in the world about their club having the best training and development. But if they don't any win games, nobody is going to believe them. The best players will gravitate to the best teams.

I agree.

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I hear rhode island soccer club had an awesome turnout and have added some teams. If i am correct they are now fielding boys in the following age groups ... U10; u12, u13, u14, u15 and u18.... I also was told that they have some great coaches and some partnership with the new england revolution academy which gives all the members a week long acadeny training and this is included in the club tuition!!!

I also know that they were very selective with offering roster spots and have 1-2 spots that they left open should they see or be approached by talented players ... I think the u12 and u13 teams each have 1-2 spots. A neighbor of mine inquired and was told to send an email to risoccer@cox.net if interested ...

I hope this helps

cheers

Nice Sales pitch DM if the coaches are so good why dont they list them on the website. And anyone can have the revs come run a training session if the price is right.

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Maybe enough kids in one of the age groups to field a team. Though I am impressed that the Lincoln group showed up at all. LYSA is very Anti-Premier.

LYSA maybe anti-premier, but the town of Lincoln isn't. On the boys side, virtually all of the talented Lincoln boys play for premier clubs. On the girls side, LYSA has managed to keep a fair amount of the talented Lincoln girls in the LYSA competitive program - largely because of 3-4 charismatic coaches that both parents and girls rally around.

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LYSA maybe anti-premier, but the town of Lincoln isn't. On the boys side, virtually all of the talented Lincoln boys play for premier clubs. On the girls side, LYSA has managed to keep a fair amount of the talented Lincoln girls in the LYSA competitive program - largely because of 3-4 charismatic coaches that both parents and girls rally around.

It seems like the Girls U12 group is pretty good. Any others still going strong?

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It seems like the Girls U12 group is pretty good. Any others still going strong?

Girls U12 group is very good, you're right. Girls U10's pretty good, too. The Dad's who have been coaching those girls over the past 3-4 years have a done a very good job. Very passionate, very knowledgable guys.

From what I understand, there's a very strong group of U8's in Lincoln, too.

On the boys side, not so much. Lost most of the talented players - and, of course, their passionate Moms and Dads - to premier clubs.

That's what hurts town associations so much when the talented players move to clubs. The town not only loses the kids, they lose the parents, too. And it's those parents of talented players who usually are most willing to give their time and energy - coaching, fund-raising, volunteering - to their kid's soccer program.

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Girls U12 group is very good, you're right. Girls U10's pretty good, too. The Dad's who have been coaching those girls over the past 3-4 years have a done a very good job. Very passionate, very knowledgable guys.

From what I understand, there's a very strong group of U8's in Lincoln, too.

On the boys side, not so much. Lost most of the talented players - and, of course, their passionate Moms and Dads - to premier clubs.

That's what hurts town associations so much when the talented players move to clubs. The town not only loses the kids, they lose the parents, too. And it's those parents of talented players who usually are most willing to give their time and energy - coaching, fund-raising, volunteering - to their kid's soccer program.

The parent coaching has its good and bad. Entire age groups can be ruined by a bad choice of parent coach that moves up with the group. I've seen some really good guys just be horrible coaches, either through a lack of knowledge or commitment. The kids that stick around eventually loose interest and the better kids go elsewhere.

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The parent coaching has its good and bad. Entire age groups can be ruined by a bad choice of parent coach that moves up with the group. I've seen some really good guys just be horrible coaches, either through a lack of knowledge or commitment. The kids that stick around eventually loose interest and the better kids go elsewhere.

My 2 cents on parent coaches - assuming the parent-coach has some soccer knowledge ...

The good: Parent coaches typically have a higher level of passion for the game and their team. They will show up at every game and practice. They will do the extra things to make the season more enjoyable for everyone. I have seen situations where paid coaches with no children on the team "mail it in" and do the bare minimum to collect a check.

The bad: Favortism of the parent-coach's kid. In baseball, we call this "Daddyball". The parent-coach opens themselves up to this the minute they accept the coaching job. Typically, if the parent-coach's kid is one of the top players on the team, it's a better situation because that kid's playing time is a given. If the parent-coach's kid is one of the marginal players, then typically the team will become an even-playing-time entity.

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My 2 cents on parent coaches - assuming the parent-coach has some soccer knowledge ...

The good: Parent coaches typically have a higher level of passion for the game and their team. They will show up at every game and practice. They will do the extra things to make the season more enjoyable for everyone. I have seen situations where paid coaches with no children on the team "mail it in" and do the bare minimum to collect a check.

The bad: Favortism of the parent-coach's kid. In baseball, we call this "Daddyball". The parent-coach opens themselves up to this the minute they accept the coaching job. Typically, if the parent-coach's kid is one of the top players on the team, it's a better situation because that kid's playing time is a given. If the parent-coach's kid is one of the marginal players, then typically the team will become an even-playing-time entity.

You seem to have absolutely no experience with pro coaches.

Parent coaches typically are clueless about the game. They are there so their kid gets to play more than they would with any other coach. (or at least that is what happens ) Parent coaches work full time and have other interests too. They may have one practice every week. A typical parent practice is a waste of time.

Pro coaches will have 2-3 practices per week. Will plan a series or two along with a number of tournaments. Most parent coaches do the minimum.

My personal experience with parent coaches is that they are great guys but terrible coaches. Of course their kid will be a forward and get a ton of playing time. But the biggest problem is that if there is any training at all it will be second rate at best.

Even the best town team can not compete with a premier team. A big part of difference is the amount and quality of training. Of course their are some excellent and committed parent coaches out there but for the most part they are not doing a great job.

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Nice Sales pitch DM if the coaches are so good why dont they list them on the website. And anyone can have the revs come run a training session if the price is right.

Virtually every coach at RISC is a Dad.

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Virtually every coach at RISC is a Dad.

That is such a bad thing and on so many levels.