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Men still struggle to win regional tournament. Women leading the way. Time for equal pay.

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Time to finally give up on Bradley.
If you watched him during the game, his movement is terrible and he left big gaps while out of position which led to the goal.

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Time to finally give up on Bradley.
If you watched him during the game, his movement is terrible and he left big gaps while out of position which led to the goal.

isn't his dad former head coach? isnt his dad like a bigwig now for mens soccer?
Politics in soccer is a norm.

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isn't his dad former head coach? isnt his dad like a bigwig now for mens soccer?
Politics in soccer is a norm.

I specifically watched him in the last 25 mins. of the game. He was out of position and very lazy. Got beat 3 times even before the goal.

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Men still struggle to win regional tournament. Women leading the way. Time for equal pay.

The women would be awfully dumb to give up their current salary structure.

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The women would be awfully dumb to give up their current salary structure.

The Men's team is horrible. The pay structure is based on % of revenues for the events. Woman revenue is a lot less than the Men's.

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The Men's team is horrible. The pay structure is based on % of revenues for the events. Woman revenue is a lot less than the Men's.

The women get a guaranteed salary, benefits, etc. The men get paid strictly upon games actually played. The men can afford that risk because they all play on pro-teams and have sponsorship deals where they really earn their money. The women for the most part cannot afford to play for the USWNT without that being their primary salary. If the women really got the same deal as the men, part of the team would quit because they couldn't risk committing all that time on the hope that they win and advance.

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The women get a guaranteed salary, benefits, etc. The men get paid strictly upon games actually played. The men can afford that risk because they all play on pro-teams and have sponsorship deals where they really earn their money. The women for the most part cannot afford to play for the USWNT without that being their primary salary. If the women really got the same deal as the men, part of the team would quit because they couldn't risk committing all that time on the hope that they win and advance.

that is literally not true, as the women proposed a revenue-share deal with USSF in their last collective bargaining but USSF rejected it, which leads one to believe they would make more money having a truly "risky" contract (and was borne out by winning the WWC). and that was the collective bargaining, not the separate EEOC-related lawsuit.

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Men still struggle to win regional tournament. Women leading the way. Time for equal pay.

WWC generates about $275M in total revenue. Last MWC generated Billions. Simple supply and demand. Doesn’t matter how much better the girls team is. Can’t get water from a rock. You see the crowds at NWSL. Except for Portland and maybe The Reign you have bigger crowds at college games. Game has to grow throughout the world and here to make this gap smaller. I think the gap will continue to close but never be close to the same.

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WWC generates about $275M in total revenue. Last MWC generated Billions. Simple supply and demand. Doesn’t matter how much better the girls team is. Can’t get water from a rock. You see the crowds at NWSL. Except for Portland and maybe The Reign you have bigger crowds at college games. Game has to grow throughout the world and here to make this gap smaller. I think the gap will continue to close but never be close to the same.

yeah, ok, but our MNT didn't even make the world cup, so how does any of those billions flow back into the USSF coffers? this isn't a "pay NWSL players the same as MLS", but pay the 4 time world champion WNT the same as our really crappy MNT. of course over time the women hope the professional leagues develop as you suggest and it can be a viable professional league, but the chants for equal pay are specific to the national team pay disparities.

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yeah, ok, but our MNT didn't even make the world cup, so how does any of those billions flow back into the USSF coffers? this isn't a "pay NWSL players the same as MLS", but pay the 4 time world champion WNT the same as our really crappy MNT. of course over time the women hope the professional leagues develop as you suggest and it can be a viable professional league, but the chants for equal pay are specific to the national team pay disparities.

Doesn’t the federation set the salaries? Women’s National team had bigger profile than the Men’s and US Soccer is awash with more money than it’s ever been so why can’t they set a precedent?

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Doesn’t the federation set the salaries? Women’s National team had bigger profile than the Men’s and US Soccer is awash with more money than it’s ever been so why can’t they set a precedent?

Because it's a male dominated organization driven by numbers. So is FIFA. But the reality is women's soccer, even in the US, is a fraction of the size of the men's. That is what drives the compensation structure. It's not just about effort or accomplishments (and they get bonuses for that) but revenues. If you removed FIFA money from the calculations then the WNT would bring in more than the MNT. But the pot from FIFA for the men's side tips it in their favor. Yes they suck but they play tougher competition in a much bigger market.

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Because it's a male dominated organization driven by numbers. So is FIFA. But the reality is women's soccer, even in the US, is a fraction of the size of the men's. That is what drives the compensation structure. It's not just about effort or accomplishments (and they get bonuses for that) but revenues. If you removed FIFA money from the calculations then the WNT would bring in more than the MNT. But the pot from FIFA for the men's side tips it in their favor. Yes they suck but they play tougher competition in a much bigger market.

other than your first sentence, please show your math on this assertion, as it's pretty much wrong. USSF gets jack from FIFA unless we're hosting or playing in a tournament, of which the men haven't done much lately.

don't forget we're just talking about national team salaries, not NWSL, MLS or anything else. the USSF revenue is derived only in part by what the teams do.

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Because it's a male dominated organization driven by numbers. So is FIFA. But the reality is women's soccer, even in the US, is a fraction of the size of the men's. That is what drives the compensation structure. It's not just about effort or accomplishments (and they get bonuses for that) but revenues. If you removed FIFA money from the calculations then the WNT would bring in more than the MNT. But the pot from FIFA for the men's side tips it in their favor. Yes they suck but they play tougher competition in a much bigger market.

Does that validate the extreme variance between the two?

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Does that validate the extreme variance between the two?

The pay difference have far more to do with the fact that the women are treated as employees with guaranteed salaries and benefits where the men are treated as hired guns that only get paid when they actually get brought to games.

The reason for this is that the men all earn their primary income from their pro-teams and can sponsorships and the USMNT money is only a bonus for them. If they only get picked for a game or two, or they get injured, they still have their decent if not large pro-contract money to live on. On the women's side, not all of them even play pro-soccer, and most of the ones that do earn minimal salaries. They cannot afford to put in the effort to be on the national team only to miss paychecks because they were sidelined for some games. While moving to a men's style pay structure would benefit some of the women, it would actually hurt many of them as well.