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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I dont get this "responsible for developing players" Soccer teachers are in effect private tutors. Lots of kids have lessons in all kind of things. Is the SAT tutor crap if the kid does not score 1600? Many kids are never going to score 1600 ever no matter how much tutoring they get. But the tutor will help them improve if they want to stay in business.

    It sounds like your criteria for judging if a teacher is good is if their students win a world cup. But a tutor works with the customer that hires them and the goal is to help that student reach their potential.
    good example...i wish i could argue :)

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Sounds like you think any player "looking to be developed just needs to find the right teacher and they have no upper limit. This is not the case. A good teacher is critical but no teacher can turn lead into gold.
      Sounds like maybe some of these players should be looking for another organization which will develop them vs. just basing success on profit?

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Sounds like maybe some of these players should be looking for another organization which will develop them vs. just basing success on profit?
        Yes - the player is the customer. But the chances that the best talent is also affluent enough and in the right location to access great teaching is probably slim.

        Boys MLS addresses this somewhat by being available at no cost so that addresses the talent with limited funds issue.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Yes - the player is the customer. But the chances that the best talent is also affluent enough and in the right location to access great teaching is probably slim.

          Boys MLS addresses this somewhat by being available at no cost so that addresses the talent with limited funds issue.
          All are solveable. But, it takes leagues that (according to the above) aren't interested in development but instead profits for their clubs to accept it. And, to ensure players who do want to be developed to move into leagues which concentrate on that. The for-profit motive falls apart this way.

          It requires clubs to be positioned in as many geographic locations as possible for a country of this size. Yes, some clubs may be in an area which they can't get 20 good players and therefore a good team, but that's OK. The other players are still getting the development, but their goal will level out a notch or two below. It requires the leagues who (according to the above) who are concentrating on profit to allow for more inclusion for other teams within an existing radius to exist.

          Last, the money needs to come from somewhere. I am not advocating for the federal government to pony up, but with over 3,000,000 players across the country I would be in favor of an overall, single governing body (USSoccer) to ask all players to contribute $10 to a fund for NT players. That $30mil would fund that effort.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            All are solveable. But, it takes leagues that (according to the above) aren't interested in development but instead profits for their clubs to accept it. And, to ensure players who do want to be developed to move into leagues which concentrate on that. The for-profit motive falls apart this way.

            It requires clubs to be positioned in as many geographic locations as possible for a country of this size. Yes, some clubs may be in an area which they can't get 20 good players and therefore a good team, but that's OK. The other players are still getting the development, but their goal will level out a notch or two below. It requires the leagues who (according to the above) who are concentrating on profit to allow for more inclusion for other teams within an existing radius to exist.

            Last, the money needs to come from somewhere. I am not advocating for the federal government to pony up, but with over 3,000,000 players across the country I would be in favor of an overall, single governing body (USSoccer) to ask all players to contribute $10 to a fund for NT players. That $30mil would fund that effort.
            It seems that world cup winning countries fiance their youth development form the top down not from the bottom up. Sponsers or other income sources would be more palatable then asking families to pony up to pay for another's players. Families are struggling to cover their own outrageous soccer costs without being asked to pay for other kids. Soccer is not food or medicine.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              It seems that world cup winning countries fiance their youth development form the top down not from the bottom up. Sponsers or other income sources would be more palatable then asking families to pony up to pay for another's players. Families are struggling to cover their own outrageous soccer costs without being asked to pay for other kids. Soccer is not food or medicine.
              I don't disagree, but the US has too many competing interests that take sponsers' attention, and ultimately if it's top-down, it could mean all citizens eventually pay for it (which will never happen).

              By keeping it within those who participate, at least the money comes from (theoretically) soccer fans.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                I don't disagree, but the US has too many competing interests that take sponsers' attention, and ultimately if it's top-down, it could mean all citizens eventually pay for it (which will never happen).

                By keeping it within those who participate, at least the money comes from (theoretically) soccer fans.
                Top down means it comes from the pro level money, not tax money.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  All are solveable. But, it takes leagues that (according to the above) aren't interested in development but instead profits for their clubs to accept it. And, to ensure players who do want to be developed to move into leagues which concentrate on that. The for-profit motive falls apart this way.

                  It requires clubs to be positioned in as many geographic locations as possible for a country of this size. Yes, some clubs may be in an area which they can't get 20 good players and therefore a good team, but that's OK. The other players are still getting the development, but their goal will level out a notch or two below. It requires the leagues who (according to the above) who are concentrating on profit to allow for more inclusion for other teams within an existing radius to exist.

                  Last, the money needs to come from somewhere. I am not advocating for the federal government to pony up, but with over 3,000,000 players across the country I would be in favor of an overall, single governing body (USSoccer) to ask all players to contribute $10 to a fund for NT players. That $30mil would fund that effort.
                  US Soccer already takes a cut of every player carded in the US. US Soccer is the single governing body, and they are NOT doing a very good job of getting anything accomplished. Instead of putting so much focus on their own league, maybe they should just use their resources to find the truly talented players. Not the player who's dad is best buds with Mike Carr

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                    Ny gda

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    All are solveable. But, it takes leagues that (according to the above) aren't interested in development but instead profits for their clubs to accept it. And, to ensure players who do want to be developed to move into leagues which concentrate on that. The for-profit motive falls apart this way.

                    It requires clubs to be positioned in as many geographic locations as possible for a country of this size. Yes, some clubs may be in an area which they can't get 20 good players and therefore a good team, but that's OK. The other players are still getting the development, but their goal will level out a notch or two below. It requires the leagues who (according to the above) who are concentrating on profit to allow for more inclusion for other teams within an existing radius to exist.

                    Last, the money needs to come from somewhere. I am not advocating for the federal government to pony up, but with over 3,000,000 players across the country I would be in favor of an overall, single governing body (USSoccer) to ask all players to contribute $10 to a fund for NT players. That $30mil would fund that effort.
                    yea, squeeze the american family for more $$$....very socialist idea.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Top down means it comes from the pro level money, not tax money.
                      Gotcha.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I don't disagree, but the US has too many competing interests that take sponsers' attention, and ultimately if it's top-down, it could mean all citizens eventually pay for it (which will never happen).

                        By keeping it within those who participate, at least the money comes from (theoretically) soccer fans.
                        May not stay fans if they are forced to pay for soccer lessons for other kids, no offense.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          yea, squeeze the american family for more $$$....very socialist idea.
                          no, knucklead. I advocated for the opposite and to NOT have every American family contribute.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            May not stay fans if they are forced to pay for soccer lessons for other kids, no offense.
                            How would they even know? Do you ask for an itemize list of items covered in your fee? We have fees attached to charges every day and don't even consider what it is.

                            Heck, be up front with it if you want..."$10 charge for the USSoccer General Fund. The fund is used for the development and enhancement of US Soccer across all platforms. These funds can be used for scholarships for under priviledged, for facilities, and to help support the USSoccer initiative. To learn how you may qualify for a scholarship, click here."

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              How would they even know? Do you ask for an itemize list of items covered in your fee? We have fees attached to charges every day and don't even consider what it is.

                              Heck, be up front with it if you want..."$10 charge for the USSoccer General Fund. The fund is used for the development and enhancement of US Soccer across all platforms. These funds can be used for scholarships for under priviledged, for facilities, and to help support the USSoccer initiative. To learn how you may qualify for a scholarship, click here."
                              I see what you are saying but I think it would generate a lot of resentment.

                              Food, water, education etc - people are happy to contribute as these are necessities. Fancy soccer lessons - people cant afford their own kid's expenses much less have to give 10 bucks to another kid. They would contribute to town soccer for under privledges kids or disabled kids, but for high end soccer? That is a luxury.

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