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I've heard good things about this club. Is the training good? Does it differ from other DA clubs?

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Good training if your child plays on the top team in the age group, no different than a dozen other clubs if your child plays below the top team in an age group.

Please remember that "B" and "C" teams exist at these clubs for the sole purpose of financially supporting the "A" teams -- don't let anyone at this or any other club convince you otherwise.

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Good training if your child plays on the top team in the age group, no different than a dozen other clubs if your child plays below the top team in an age group.

Please remember that "B" and "C" teams exist at these clubs for the sole purpose of financially supporting the "A" teams -- don't let anyone at this or any other club convince you otherwise.

They don't exist solely to support the A teams, particularly at a club like NYSC who hasn't had DA for long. They've always had multiple teams per age. Different levels for different players. DA clubs are supposed to try and reduce fees to DA players. Some do, some don't. Yes profits from other team help them do that if they chose to deeply discount DA fees. But most seem to be charging what it takes to break even on DA.

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They don't exist solely to support the A teams, particularly at a club like NYSC who hasn't had DA for long. They've always had multiple teams per age. Different levels for different players. DA clubs are supposed to try and reduce fees to DA players. Some do, some don't. Yes profits from other team help them do that if they chose to deeply discount DA fees. But most seem to be charging what it takes to break even on DA.

If us soccer thinks the answer is to have the lower teams at da clubs cover the costs of the da players they are dreaming. Watch some da games. Many of the players are really nothing special. Families are not going to take kindly to having to pay for their soccer costs while they struggle to cover their own kid.

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If us soccer thinks the answer is to have the lower teams at da clubs cover the costs of the da players they are dreaming. Watch some da games. Many of the players are really nothing special. Families are not going to take kindly to having to pay for their soccer costs while they struggle to cover their own kid.

Again, most clubs aren't using other teams to subsidize losses on DA teams. They charge breakeven for DA. The only clubs taking a real bath on DA are the MLS clubs. Non MLS they're making less on the teams but generally not losing money. Having DA has other benefits like bringing in quality players hoping to be an A team player, and at least the perception of being a better quality club. That adds more than just dollars and cents.

Whether or not DA lasts won't be because of club financials and A, B C teams, but the overall structure of DA and families deciding if the pros surpass the cons. Non MLS teams on the boys side are feeling the pinch, and obviously GDA is off to a very rocky start. What USSF should do is shrink DA down to a much smaller size and take only the true top national talent. Let other leagues take care of the needs of players whose goals are simply to play in college.

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Again, most clubs aren't using other teams to subsidize losses on DA teams. They charge breakeven for DA. The only clubs taking a real bath on DA are the MLS clubs. Non MLS they're making less on the teams but generally not losing money. Having DA has other benefits like bringing in quality players hoping to be an A team player, and at least the perception of being a better quality club. That adds more than just dollars and cents.

Whether or not DA lasts won't be because of club financials and A, B C teams, but the overall structure of DA and families deciding if the pros surpass the cons. Non MLS teams on the boys side are feeling the pinch, and obviously GDA is off to a very rocky start. What USSF should do is shrink DA down to a much smaller size and take only the true top national talent. Let other leagues take care of the needs of players whose goals are simply to play in college.

But back to the original response, if your child can make a DA team at NYSC (and be warned, they will go right up to the line of lying to you that he/she will, even if they are 100% certain that they won't), there will be high quality training.

If your child does not play for the DA club, the training & coaching will be average, but the price will be very high.

The turnover on these "premier" teams is usually very high, as parents realize very quickly that they are overpaying to fund DA teams and leave for the next bunch of parents who believe their kid has a good chance of getting called up during the season.

My advice for any parent -- play your child at the best club at which they will be on the A team and get regular playing time. Not playing at a brand name club is no fun for your kid.

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Good training if your child plays on the top team in the age group, no different than a dozen other clubs if your child plays below the top team in an age group.

Please remember that "B" and "C" teams exist at these clubs for the sole purpose of financially supporting the "A" teams -- don't let anyone at this or any other club convince you otherwise.

Are you saying that the profit being made on the B and C teams is so significant that it pays for activities/training for the A team that the A team fees don't actually cover?

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But back to the original response, if your child can make a DA team at NYSC (and be warned, they will go right up to the line of lying to you that he/she will, even if they are 100% certain that they won't), there will be high quality training.

If your child does not play for the DA club, the training & coaching will be average, but the price will be very high.

The turnover on these "premier" teams is usually very high, as parents realize very quickly that they are overpaying to fund DA teams and leave for the next bunch of parents who believe their kid has a good chance of getting called up during the season.

My advice for any parent -- play your child at the best club at which they will be on the A team and get regular playing time. Not playing at a brand name club is no fun for your kid.

Again, since NYSC has barely had the badge how is it that all these families now "realize" they're funding DA teams? Families will stay if they think the training is worth the price they are paying, not because of DA teams.

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Again, since NYSC has barely had the badge how is it that all these families now "realize" they're funding DA teams? Families will stay if they think the training is worth the price they are paying, not because of DA teams.

What are the fees of the da teams as opposed to the lower teams?

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Are you saying that the profit being made on the B and C teams is so significant that it pays for activities/training for the A team that the A team fees don't actually cover?

No -- the DA isn't free, but most non-profit DA clubs take a loss (or are at most breakeven) on their DA operations (they give scholarships) and make it up with profits from their non-DA clubs.

Nothing worse than paying $3500+uniform and travel for your son to play in the Westchester Premier league!

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Again, since NYSC has barely had the badge how is it that all these families now "realize" they're funding DA teams? Families will stay if they think the training is worth the price they are paying, not because of DA teams.

I honestly don't understand your point. You think there are parents at NYSC who don't know that they have DA teams? You don't think many of those kids are there because they or their parents believe they'll have a legitimate shot at getting called up to a DA team?

It's not really important what the parents do or do not realize -- they are funding the Academy teams whether or not they know it.

Why else would these clubs even have second or third teams? They're non-profit organizations, so the money has to stay at the club. And it does -- to lower the cost of the DA teams and to give scholarships to those who can't pay.

It all exists to serve the Academy teams.

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I honestly don't understand your point. You think there are parents at NYSC who don't know that they have DA teams? You don't think many of those kids are there because they or their parents believe they'll have a legitimate shot at getting called up to a DA team?

It's not really important what the parents do or do not realize -- they are funding the Academy teams whether or not they know it.

Why else would these clubs even have second or third teams? They're non-profit organizations, so the money has to stay at the club. And it does -- to lower the cost of the DA teams and to give scholarships to those who can't pay.

It all exists to serve the Academy teams.

Prove it. How much are the fees for the different levels?

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I thought NYSC only had DA teams for young ages. I have heard a lot of kids from other clubs are trying to go play at NYSC because of its facility & how that will place NYSC above others when the DA clubs get put in tiers. Does anyone know if this is true or just rumors?

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Prove it. How much are the fees for the different levels?

Why does that matter? Whether the DA teams are more are less than the premier teams does not change the fact that the premier teams are revenue generators to support the DA teams.

You may be the only person who does not believe that.

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Why does that matter? Whether the DA teams are more are less than the premier teams does not change the fact that the premier teams are revenue generators to support the DA teams.

You may be the only person who does not believe that.

You are not explaining it very well. How much money is going out of the lower teams to the da program. You are the one that brought it up yet you seem to know little about it.