NYCSL NPL vs. EDP NPL Implementation

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I have always felt NYCSL's implementation of NPL is very flawed in that it rewards teams for just being part of a club and dilutes the NPL brand in our area.

I much prefer EDP's approach which is to confer NPL status to member clubs that meet standards but you only qualify when your team is in D1 of their league. Any non-NPL team can also earn D1 status making this approach a real meritocracy.

Why won't NYCSL change? Eastern FC should have been booted years ago and Everton with more advanced leagues does not put their top players in NPL.

The thing is NYCSL has the US Club Premier platform already and could implement the same thing as EDP. I believe their hardened stance on this has led to the massive growth of EDP where NYCSL is really just taking rec teams from Westchester and LIJSL.

Maybe it's only about the money there but I would not be surprised if a few NJ based clubs bolt soon. I see them at all the Maps tournaments and it's only a matter of time before that start to ask why are they playing in a league with such low ranked teams?

Any thoughts or opinions?

PS I am not affiliated with either league, just a long time soccer parent that has seen this game change so much locally while my kids played.

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I have always felt NYCSL's implementation of NPL is very flawed in that it rewards teams for just being part of a club and dilutes the NPL brand in our area.

I much prefer EDP's approach which is to confer NPL status to member clubs that meet standards but you only qualify when your team is in D1 of their league. Any non-NPL team can also earn D1 status making this approach a real meritocracy.

Why won't NYCSL change? Eastern FC should have been booted years ago and Everton with more advanced leagues does not put their top players in NPL.

The thing is NYCSL has the US Club Premier platform already and could implement the same thing as EDP. I believe their hardened stance on this has led to the massive growth of EDP where NYCSL is really just taking rec teams from Westchester and LIJSL.

Maybe it's only about the money there but I would not be surprised if a few NJ based clubs bolt soon. I see them at all the Maps tournaments and it's only a matter of time before that start to ask why are they playing in a league with such low ranked teams?

Any thoughts or opinions?

PS I am not affiliated with either league, just a long time soccer parent that has seen this game change so much locally while my kids played.

Everton has the majority of their top players in NPL. They have a partnership with FC Westchester where some some players can go DAP. At most they lose 3-4 players at the older age groups. At the younger ages it's not an issue. Their teams are very competitive across all age groups. Everton is not an issue.

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Everton has the majority of their top players in NPL. They have a partnership with FC Westchester where some some players can go DAP. At most they lose 3-4 players at the older age groups. At the younger ages it's not an issue. Their teams are very competitive across all age groups. Everton is not an issue.

Goal wasn't to pick on Everton. Scanning the spring results shows:

U12 5 of 6
U13 6 of 6
U14 8 of 13
U15 10 of 12
U16 1 of 13
U17 5 of 11

So U12-15 I think anyone would say needs work. That's my point. Those teams would be better off in another program. In EDP many would be relegated.

But my question is why wont NYCSL change with the times? With boys ECNL coming they will be moving further down the chain because as structured, very few teams would promote to that league.

Maybe someone not from a NPL club could comment?

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Goal wasn't to pick on Everton. Scanning the spring results shows:

U12 5 of 6
U13 6 of 6
U14 8 of 13
U15 10 of 12
U16 1 of 13
U17 5 of 11

So U12-15 I think anyone would say needs work. That's my point. Those teams would be better off in another program. In EDP many would be relegated.

But my question is why wont NYCSL change with the times? With boys ECNL coming they will be moving further down the chain because as structured, very few teams would promote to that league.

Maybe someone not from a NPL club could comment?

It's a philosophy that Club is more important than team. Instead of potentially taking short cuts to win and avoid relegation the club can focus on development.

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It's a philosophy that Club is more important than team. Instead of potentially taking short cuts to win and avoid relegation the club can focus on development.

Had NYCSL grown in size like EDP? EDP has exploded this year,

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Had NYCSL grown in size like EDP? EDP has exploded this year,

Yes but NYCSL has grown from rec teams more recently whereas EDP is gaining quality competitive teams.

To the other reply I get development but is it fair to kids developing at higher levels? If you read US Clubs NPL website it's supposed to be very high level.

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Yes but NYCSL has grown from rec teams more recently whereas EDP is gaining quality competitive teams.

To the other reply I get development but is it fair to kids developing at higher levels? If you read US Clubs NPL website it's supposed to be very high level.

NYCSL and EDP should merge. Too many leagues, need one league and several divisions where teams are promoted and relegated based on season results.

Same issue as always, money. League = $$$ for league owners/organizers.

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NYCSL and EDP should merge. Too many leagues, need one league and several divisions where teams are promoted and relegated based on season results.

Same issue as always, money. League = $$$ for league owners/organizers.

My completely uninformed take.

NPL: It's easier for Northern NJ clubs to do NYCSL geographically. I don't know how well they do but if they are ending up in first then it could be seen as easier for them and their route to NPL Nationals than going through EDP NPL.

NYCSL: To me it's LI desiring a higher level of competition that has a little more variety and isn't the same old LI teams. NYCSL entails a little more driving and into NJ but it's not taking you down to the Jersey Shore clubs. Although Princeton is a hike in itself from LI.

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But why be club based? That dis-incentivizes the club from being competitive. If they knew they had to earn it in every age group I believe they would produce better results.

I never thought winning should be a goal but good development of elite players should lead to it. I just don't buy the argument that it's about development without on field success. Because in the end it's that on field success that will be the result of good development and get the players looked at by college coaches.

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But why be club based? That dis-incentivizes the club from being competitive. If they knew they had to earn it in every age group I believe they would produce better results.

I never thought winning should be a goal but good development of elite players should lead to it. I just don't buy the argument that it's about development without on field success. Because in the end it's that on field success that will be the result of good development and get the players looked at by college coaches.

It isn't always easy to have x number of teams to satisfy the NPL requirement. One of my kids' clubs is newer and only recently had built to enough teams to meet that. So we started in EDP and have done well, are happy with it, and now probably won't change. One of my other kids did NPL for a few years. I will say that NPL is a tighter group of quality teams, while with EDP if you aren't in the top 2 brackets the quality nose dives after that. But it's a much bigger league so I supposed some of that is to be expected. Not sure I'd do all that traveling if we were in a lower bracket though

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But why be club based? That dis-incentivizes the club from being competitive. If they knew they had to earn it in every age group I believe they would produce better results.

I never thought winning should be a goal but good development of elite players should lead to it. I just don't buy the argument that it's about development without on field success. Because in the end it's that on field success that will be the result of good development and get the players looked at by college coaches.

Us CLUB ... New YoRk CLUB Soccer League ..It's in the name.

I will concede that there should a mechanism to relegate clubs which historically are uncompetitive

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It isn't always easy to have x number of teams to satisfy the NPL requirement. One of my kids' clubs is newer and only recently had built to enough teams to meet that. So we started in EDP and have done well, are happy with it, and now probably won't change. One of my other kids did NPL for a few years. I will say that NPL is a tighter group of quality teams, while with EDP if you aren't in the top 2 brackets the quality nose dives after that. But it's a much bigger league so I supposed some of that is to be expected. Not sure I'd do all that traveling if we were in a lower bracket though

I just wish they would copy EDP. Promote top NYPL teams into that league without the NPL label but uping the competition. The problem I believe is NYCSL NPL is set up where the teams run it so I can't see them voting to shoot themselves.

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Us CLUB ... New YoRk CLUB Soccer League ..It's in the name.

I will concede that there should a mechanism to relegate clubs which historically are uncompetitive

Not buying that, EDP is sanctioned by US Club as well. NYCSL has flexibility here.

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Not buying that, EDP is sanctioned by US Club as well. NYCSL has flexibility here.

It's their philosophy. They don't want the flexibility

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It's their philosophy. They don't want the flexibility

I have no problem with them being a for profit as I am a capitalist but let's call it what it is, a business model not a philosophy.

They can improve it but not without governance changes.