2011 Boys

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I think its due to the fact that they don't have a future pathway for players. Right now the 2011's don't have a league to play in (could be wrong). Also, facilities seem to weigh heavily as well, FA doesn't really have a home like other MLSN teams.

FA's performance is strong at 2011, that is very clear. However, if what someone said is ture...the parents run the team...MLSN would not want to deal with that at all.

But why not just take the best teams to build the best league?[/QUOTE]

Isn't FA a relatively young club? How can they have a future pathway? Isn't their oldest group 2010s? Why not take them on with the promise of a future? I guess I don't get that? Maybe give them a probation period or something? I would think a league that promotes the best talent could take such a risk...no?

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The decision for including ISC was stated in the MLSNext website. I think it was a good decision as access to top competition for that demographic is just not there. And a lot of it has to do with resources. Many of the top teams only take kids that can afford 3k tuition and the travel. They do not have any opportunities for kids especially at the younger ages unless the kid can pay. Nothing wrong with that however it does mean some talented kids will be dismissed because they cannot keep up with all training that is necessary to compete. I know of kids that have the speed, strength and talent to play MLSNEXT that would not be able to if clubs like ISC did not exist. FA2011 is great team. I would not say the same about the other ages especially 2014s. My sons team has rocked them everytime we played them and everytime we play them the beating is worse. Only reason I bring it up is it doesn’t speak great about their development program as the kids are likely following the same model that the 2011s did, extra personal training, camps, you name they do it. And this is not about asking for a free pass but about basing admittance to clubs that talk big about how they are great at coaching to select and develop players based on talent and not money. In this case a league that’s about increasing access to top competition to all.

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So a club like PDA will have MLS Next, NAL, ECNL, E64 and EDP for U13? They might as well.just take everyone from their tryouts.

PDA says for 2011 they will only have an MLS, NAL & ECRL

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The decision for including ISC was stated in the MLSNext website. I think it was a good decision as access to top competition for that demographic is just not there. And a lot of it has to do with resources. Many of the top teams only take kids that can afford 3k tuition and the travel. They do not have any opportunities for kids especially at the younger ages unless the kid can pay. Nothing wrong with that however it does mean some talented kids will be dismissed because they cannot keep up with all training that is necessary to compete. I know of kids that have the speed, strength and talent to play MLSNEXT that would not be able to if clubs like ISC did not exist. FA2011 is great team. I would not say the same about the other ages especially 2014s. My sons team has rocked them everytime we played them and everytime we play them the beating is worse. Only reason I bring it up is it doesn’t speak great about their development program as the kids are likely following the same model that the 2011s did, extra personal training, camps, you name they do it. And this is not about asking for a free pass but about basing admittance to clubs that talk big about how they are great at coaching to select and develop players based on talent and not money. In this case a league that’s about increasing access to top competition to all.

not sure as I don’t have a kid at 2014 but from what I hear from friends and other soccer families, they are strong and among the top few teams at every age group 2015 to 2010. The odd age group might not be as strong as their 2011s. But if they are at the top end or talking point of each age group, that deserves some credit. Long established clubs with status aren’t doing this, your PDA’s of the world and others are struggling to field competitive teams at 2015 to 2010 though a developmental pathway, they wait until now to recruit heavily. We bash clubs because the recruit, we bash clubs if they develop. No one is happy on here. The 2011 is a good team, we have also played up against their 2010s they are also very good, they are the two teams I can comment on.

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The decision for including ISC was stated in the MLSNext website. I think it was a good decision as access to top competition for that demographic is just not there. And a lot of it has to do with resources. Many of the top teams only take kids that can afford 3k tuition and the travel. They do not have any opportunities for kids especially at the younger ages unless the kid can pay. Nothing wrong with that however it does mean some talented kids will be dismissed because they cannot keep up with all training that is necessary to compete. I know of kids that have the speed, strength and talent to play MLSNEXT that would not be able to if clubs like ISC did not exist. FA2011 is great team. I would not say the same about the other ages especially 2014s. My sons team has rocked them everytime we played them and everytime we play them the beating is worse. Only reason I bring it up is it doesn’t speak great about their development program as the kids are likely following the same model that the 2011s did, extra personal training, camps, you name they do it. And this is not about asking for a free pass but about basing admittance to clubs that talk big about how they are great at coaching to select and develop players based on talent and not money. In this case a league that’s about increasing access to top competition to all.

Since your son has rocked them every time they have played them, I guess you are on the torpedoes team. The torpedoes team beat them every time (both) they have played them and are literally the only 2 posted wide margin losses they have had. The results of u9 soccer do not matter. This is when they are developing them so I would disagree with your argument that this shows FA isn’t developing kids bc one team beat them twice. I’m sure the better players at torpedoes will end up leaving and join FA.

hear is their posted results:

Spring 2023
2014 FA - 2
CSA North - 6

2014 FA - 3
STA Mount Olive - 3

Fall 2022
2014 FA - 5
CSA Newark - 0

2014 FA - 8
STA - 1

2014 FA - 3
CSA Staten Island - 5

2014 FA - 0
Torpedoes - 7

2014 FA - 4
STA - 2

2014 FA - 1
Philly Union - 3

2014 FA - 8
CSA Staten Island - 2

2014 FA - 5
East Coast Fc - 5

2014 FA - 3
Torpedoes - 7

2014 FA - 1
East Coast FC - 5

2014 FA - 4
STA - 2

2014 FA - 6
FC Delco Conshy - 4

Spring 2022
2014 FA - 7
Vistula - 5

2014 FA - 2
TSF - 3

2014 FA - 5
NJ Premier - 0

2014 FA - 10
STA - 0

2014 FA - 9
Marlboro - 2

2014 FA - 5
CSA Staten Island - 3

2014 FA - 4
Hopewell Valley - 1

2014 FA - 6
Hopewell Valley - 0

2014 FA - 9
Bridgewater - 3

2014 FA - 0
East Cost FC - 3

2014 FA - 5
CSA Staten Island - 6

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Is ironbound free? Looks like they charge $500-600 for a full year of their development program which I'm assuming is training and within club games - but I didn't immediately find costs for their true travel program.

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The decision for including ISC was stated in the MLSNext website. I think it was a good decision as access to top competition for that demographic is just not there. And a lot of it has to do with resources. Many of the top teams only take kids that can afford 3k tuition and the travel. They do not have any opportunities for kids especially at the younger ages unless the kid can pay. Nothing wrong with that however it does mean some talented kids will be dismissed because they cannot keep up with all training that is necessary to compete. I know of kids that have the speed, strength and talent to play MLSNEXT that would not be able to if clubs like ISC did not exist. FA2011 is great team. I would not say the same about the other ages especially 2014s. My sons team has rocked them everytime we played them and everytime we play them the beating is worse. Only reason I bring it up is it doesn’t speak great about their development program as the kids are likely following the same model that the 2011s did, extra personal training, camps, you name they do it. And this is not about asking for a free pass but about basing admittance to clubs that talk big about how they are great at coaching to select and develop players based on talent and not money. In this case a league that’s about increasing access to top competition to all.

It seems that a league that should have the best competition would be willing to take a chance on FA to see if they work out. If it did not I do not think it would affect their brand. It seems that there is more to this than just future prospects and field availability. Politics...but that should not surprise anyone as it is clear politics play a role even up to the us national team.

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Is ironbound free? Looks like they charge $500-600 for a full year of their development program which I'm assuming is training and within club games - but I didn't immediately find costs for their true travel program.

We have a friend who plays 2011. They charge far more than that but do give scholarships like any other team.

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not sure as I don’t have a kid at 2014 but from what I hear from friends and other soccer families, they are strong and among the top few teams at every age group 2015 to 2010. The odd age group might not be as strong as their 2011s. But if they are at the top end or talking point of each age group, that deserves some credit. Long established clubs with status aren’t doing this, your PDA’s of the world and others are struggling to field competitive teams at 2015 to 2010 though a developmental pathway, they wait until now to recruit heavily. We bash clubs because the recruit, we bash clubs if they develop. No one is happy on here. The 2011 is a good team, we have also played up against their 2010s they are also very good, they are the two teams I can comment on.

I hope FA finds a way to keep their players and bypass the corrupt system.

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I guess I do not understand...no one has yet explained why mlsnext would not want FA to join. Don't they want the best competition? Looking at Acela standings it looks like FA is one of the best teams.[/QUOTE]

I think Red Bulls are making a mistake to keep FA out. FA has some very talented players who will end up possibly getting opportunities elswhere.

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It seems that a league that should have the best competition would be willing to take a chance on FA to see if they work out. If it did not I do not think it would affect their brand. It seems that there is more to this than just future prospects and field availability. Politics...but that should not surprise anyone as it is clear politics play a role even up to the us national team.

Why should they dilute the talent pool further by adding yet another team though. The MLS Next is already going into year 3. It was called the Developmental Academy for a long time before that. It has always been the same teams involved from NJ. Red Bull plus PDA, CSA Bergen and CSA Monmouth. The top kids in NJ split themselves between 4 clubs.

Then back in 2016 TSF was added at u12 age group. They kept adding an age at TSF each year as the u12s agged up. When the DA "folded" and was Re-Branded as MLS Next, Real Jersey was added. Now with Ironbound added for next year that is 7 NJ based clubs already for a league that is claiming to be the best of the best. You cant just keep adding clubs and maintain that integrity or elite status of the leagues when you are thinning out the level by adding more. 10 years ago if you wanted to play in the DA you went to one of those 4 clubs. Now if you want to play MLS next.. you go to one of those clubs. You don't just whine and complain they wont take my team.

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Since your son has rocked them every time they have played them, I guess you are on the torpedoes team. The torpedoes team beat them every time (both) they have played them and are literally the only 2 posted wide margin losses they have had. The results of u9 soccer do not matter. This is when they are developing them so I would disagree with your argument that this shows FA isn’t developing kids bc one team beat them twice. I’m sure the better players at torpedoes will end up leaving and join FA.

hear is their posted results:

Spring 2023
2014 FA - 2
CSA North - 6

2014 FA - 3
STA Mount Olive - 3

Fall 2022
2014 FA - 5
CSA Newark - 0

2014 FA - 8
STA - 1

2014 FA - 3
CSA Staten Island - 5

2014 FA - 0
Torpedoes - 7

2014 FA - 4
STA - 2

2014 FA - 1
Philly Union - 3

2014 FA - 8
CSA Staten Island - 2

2014 FA - 5
East Coast Fc - 5

2014 FA - 3
Torpedoes - 7

2014 FA - 1
East Coast FC - 5

2014 FA - 4
STA - 2

2014 FA - 6
FC Delco Conshy - 4

Spring 2022
2014 FA - 7
Vistula - 5

2014 FA - 2
TSF - 3

2014 FA - 5
NJ Premier - 0

2014 FA - 10
STA - 0

2014 FA - 9
Marlboro - 2

2014 FA - 5
CSA Staten Island - 3

2014 FA - 4
Hopewell Valley - 1

2014 FA - 6
Hopewell Valley - 0

2014 FA - 9
Bridgewater - 3

2014 FA - 0
East Cost FC - 3

2014 FA - 5
CSA Staten Island - 6

You missed the entire point calling out one specific team was not to shame them but to give you an example of my experience when we played them. FA program as a whole is good and the parents are incredibly committed a coach’s dream come true. Meaning that they will spend on extra training to see their kids get better. Making the job of the coach easier. Every 2-4K tuition team does that so nothing new and innovative there. Admittance to MLSNEXT is about providing all players access to develop. FA should invest a lot more on access and I think their chances of getting a trial run will be greater. Also remember others club like FA exist already and they have access to MLSNext do yourself a favor and tryout there for a spot you will be surprised how many of your kids make it and get play time by the time u15 u17 comes around if you stay at FA as your development will be inferior. No matter how much money you pump into extra training your kid either has it or he doesn’t. And yes I know we all want the scholarship and that is great but MLSNext is about identifying world class players and those are incredibly difficult to find so do our country a favor if your kid is good enough have him develop against the best competition that MLSNext will have in abundance. U15 and u17 are the ages to watch. All the other ages are so slow that are good to put you to sleep.

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Why should they dilute the talent pool further by adding yet another team though. The MLS Next is already going into year 3. It was called the Developmental Academy for a long time before that. It has always been the same teams involved from NJ. Red Bull plus PDA, CSA Bergen and CSA Monmouth. The top kids in NJ split themselves between 4 clubs.

Then back in 2016 TSF was added at u12 age group. They kept adding an age at TSF each year as the u12s agged up. When the DA "folded" and was Re-Branded as MLS Next, Real Jersey was added. Now with Ironbound added for next year that is 7 NJ based clubs already for a league that is claiming to be the best of the best. You cant just keep adding clubs and maintain that integrity or elite status of the leagues when you are thinning out the level by adding more. 10 years ago if you wanted to play in the DA you went to one of those 4 clubs. Now if you want to play MLS next.. you go to one of those clubs. You don't just whine and complain they wont take my team.

Whining and complaining is the FA way. Parents are better lobbiests for MLSN, than Washing DC big Pharmaceutical lobbyists. The team hasn’t played in a legitimate season in 11 v 11 in their own age group and any any point the coach can go to one of those big clubs or leave and the whole thing collapses alla CFC.

Leav it to FA parents to think they are that important that the moste elite national youth soccer league for 9 age groups, cares that much about a 3 year old program with one age group that is very good. rB already took 2 kids and on top of one coach, if 2 more players leave the whole thing becomes a moot point…it’s a house of cards.

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Whining and complaining is the FA way. Parents are better lobbiests for MLSN, than Washing DC big Pharmaceutical lobbyists. The team hasn’t played in a legitimate season in 11 v 11 in their own age group and any any point the coach can go to one of those big clubs or leave and the whole thing collapses alla CFC.

Leav it to FA parents to think they are that important that the moste elite national youth soccer league for 9 age groups, cares that much about a 3 year old program with one age group that is very good. rB already took 2 kids and on top of one coach, if 2 more players leave the whole thing becomes a moot point…it’s a house of cards.

Let’s hope the rational brain kicks in for them and not make our country miss out on such rare talent. Assuming of course they are good as parents claim.

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PDA says for 2011 they will only have an MLS, NAL & ECRL

PDA parent over here. I must have missed that email.