Winning vs losing team

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If a soccer club had 300 players and won every game or if they had 500 and lost every game , which would they choose ?? I know the answer

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Post strikes me as ironic. Just watched my D's game last weekend, and they are not having a good year by their standards. We all got to witness that "competitive fire" first hand: Two players balling their eyes out, yelling at everyone all game long. Screaming at the ref, one made a nasty tackle out of frustration (could've been straight red IMO). Complete and utter embarrassment for the entire school. Good players, they were benched for the next game, and low and behold...classic case of addition by subtraction as they surprisingly may have righted their season with a big Dub.

Doesn't matter how good you think you are, but if you act like an ass, you'll be treated as such.

I guess those players missed those development sessions where they learned how to handle losing.

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Is it better to be on a winning team and play less than half a game. Or play on a losing team and play majority of the game. Style of play is similar.

Agree with others - Are these teams in the same league? Do they actually play the same, ie kick and run or build out of the back. Is coaching styles and ability the same? Is this pre or in HS? Do either carry more then 18 players? How much less then half we talking about 20mins/30mins/40mins? Way to many variables that could warrant a change.

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Agree with others - Are these teams in the same league? Do they actually play the same, ie kick and run or build out of the back. Is coaching styles and ability the same? Is this pre or in HS? Do either carry more then 18 players? How much less then half we talking about 20mins/30mins/40mins? Way to many variables that could warrant a change.

Pre high school age. In ECRL … playing about 30 mins or less .. team is good for the league. Not fantastic though. Coaching seems good so far.

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I guess those players missed those development sessions where they learned how to handle losing.

Tough they are finding out too late and now have to sit and watch those with class play and succeed without them. But, you know, they're driven and all that....

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"Learning to lose" is very different from "Learning how to lose gracefully".

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"Learning to lose" is very different from "Learning how to lose gracefully".

And that's exactly what was argued. It also doesn't have to be strictly losing the game. How do you react when it's a bad day? get off to a slow start? Calls going the other way? etc.

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And that's exactly what was argued. It also doesn't have to be strictly losing the game. How do you react when it's a bad day? get off to a slow start? Calls going the other way? etc.

The original statement that started the argument was "Learning to lose", not "Learning how to lose gracefully".

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The original statement that started the argument was "Learning to lose", not "Learning how to lose gracefully".

Oh gawd Mr. Symantics has entered the chat....

Everyone who isn't a douche knew what was meant.

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Oh gawd Mr. Symantics has entered the chat....

Everyone who isn't a douche knew what was meant.

If everyone knew what was meant, why is there 2 pages of debate about it? Clearly the first few responses to the comment thought it was crazy.

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The original statement that started the argument was "Learning to lose", not "Learning how to lose gracefully".

So know you changed it to losing graceful? What we are talking about is maturity and character that’s it! College coaches are looking for players who are mature, have a high soccer IQ and know how to conduct themselves on and off the soccer pitch. That’s the bottom line for this subject. Being taught how to lose properly has nothing to do with soccer development or coaches its about how the player is taught at home. You TS amateurs have gone on and on about losing being a teaching moment which is a false narrative. Collages judge players by their overall character that’s inherent not taught by a club coach.

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So know you changed it to losing graceful? What we are talking about is maturity and character that’s it! College coaches are looking for players who are mature, have a high soccer IQ and know how to conduct themselves on and off the soccer pitch. That’s the bottom line for this subject. Being taught how to lose properly has nothing to do with soccer development or coaches its about how the player is taught at home. You TS amateurs have gone on and on about losing being a teaching moment which is a false narrative. Collages judge players by their overall character that’s inherent not taught by a club coach.

The topic of this thread is "winning vs losing team". There's nothing inherent about being on a losing team that teaches anyone anything about "losing gracefully". Rather, it is more likely to teach someone that "winning doesn't matter".

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The topic of this thread is "winning vs losing team". There's nothing inherent about being on a losing team that teaches anyone anything about "losing gracefully". Rather, it is more likely to teach someone that "winning doesn't matter".

No simpleton, it's about sitting and watching a winning team play vs. playing on a losing team.

One enables you to be a well-rounded player, who will appreciate the downsides of the game so you can work hard to avoid it in the future. Another enables you to watch the beautiful game and get some sunshine; maybe a plastic medal you didn't earn.

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No simpleton, it's about sitting and watching a winning team play vs. playing on a losing team.

One enables you to be a well-rounded player, who will appreciate the downsides of the game so you can work hard to avoid it in the future. Another enables you to watch the beautiful game and get some sunshine; maybe a plastic medal you didn't earn.

No simpleton. It's about what priorities you put on winning/losing vs other aspects of player development and enjoyment. And WAY too many variables to be able to generalize it the way you have. You have to ask the questions, like why is the winning team winning and why is the losing team losing? Are they really that good/bad? Or are they playing against inappropriate competition? Does the winning team play good soccer or are they winning because they have a stud that everyone just kicks the ball to? Does the losing team emphasize development over wins/losses? Etc etc.

And no, playing a lot of minutes on a losing team does not necessarily make you a well-rounded player. It runs real risks of enabling bad habits, like making the wrong pass because the open player wasn't a very good player and the pass you tried to make to a better player was covered. Or even more simply, your teammates aren't very good so you end up hogging the ball more because your teammates aren't in the right place. And playing fewer minutes on a better team doesn't mean you didn't earn the meals...it can actually teach you how to contribute in small roles while incentivizing you to work harder to earn more minutes. It can put you in situations in practice practicing with higher-level players that help you develop more than practicing with lower-level players that don't challenge you at all. SOOOO many other variables...ironic that you are calling someone else a "simpleton".

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No simpleton. It's about what priorities you put on winning/losing vs other aspects of player development and enjoyment. And WAY too many variables to be able to generalize it the way you have. You have to ask the questions, like why is the winning team winning and why is the losing team losing? Are they really that good/bad? Or are they playing against inappropriate competition? Does the winning team play good soccer or are they winning because they have a stud that everyone just kicks the ball to? Does the losing team emphasize development over wins/losses? Etc etc.

And no, playing a lot of minutes on a losing team does not necessarily make you a well-rounded player. It runs real risks of enabling bad habits, like making the wrong pass because the open player wasn't a very good player and the pass you tried to make to a better player was covered. Or even more simply, your teammates aren't very good so you end up hogging the ball more because your teammates aren't in the right place. And playing fewer minutes on a better team doesn't mean you didn't earn the meals...it can actually teach you how to contribute in small roles while incentivizing you to work harder to earn more minutes. It can put you in situations in practice practicing with higher-level players that help you develop more than practicing with lower-level players that don't challenge you at all. SOOOO many other variables...ironic that you are calling someone else a "simpleton".

I showed up to watch a kid play, and they barely played, only when they were up 3-0 and everyone had lost the plot. She didn't even break a sweat, but was sure to celebrate how awesome they did. I then walked over to another game, watched another player, who was clearly worn out from playing the entire 90 minutes and kept working hard as they were on their back foot. She congratulated the other team, and despite her disappointment in the result she held her head high.

I'll tell you which player I'm recruiting, without any question.