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    [QUOTE=Guest;n4523036]
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    With so many clubs and teams the talent on even the top clubs is diluted. Generally speaking on a team of 20 players you might have 3-4 players that are above all the other players on the team them have a middle group that is a drop in talent and then a bottom group where there is a drastic drop. That’s youth soccer where you lack the depth to play a consistent style because all players on the team are not at the same level. That is not the coaches fault, it’s not because development is not equal but rather each player has a different level of development.
    From what i am seeing in ECNL most coaches are valuing the track starts with no touch over the technical players with touch who could play more of a possession based system. Tone starts at the top. We need more possession coaches on the girls side, enough of the kick and chase track stars.

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      [QUOTE=Guest;n4523042]
      Originally posted by Guest View Post

      From what i am seeing in ECNL most coaches are valuing the track starts with no touch over the technical players with touch who could play more of a possession based system. Tone starts at the top. We need more possession coaches on the girls side, enough of the kick and chase track stars.
      True story:

      When GDA was around, they tried to play "that way". USSF wanted them to. ECNL caters to college, which plays a different style. College coaches (not sure how many, but at least a few) didn't like to recruit from GDA not for the quality of player/league, but because they played a bit slower and more technical, which left some questions if they could handle the pace of the college game. So, if you are a club tasked with getting players into colleges, you will be better off mimicking that style of play.

      Doesn't help the USSF at all, but that's the reality.

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        [QUOTE=Guest;n4523042]
        Originally posted by Guest View Post

        From what i am seeing in ECNL most coaches are valuing the track starts with no touch over the technical players with touch who could play more of a possession based system. Tone starts at the top. We need more possession coaches on the girls side, enough of the kick and chase track stars.
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          [QUOTE=Guest;n4523042]
          Originally posted by Guest View Post

          From what i am seeing in ECNL most coaches are valuing the track starts with no touch over the technical players with touch who could play more of a possession based system. Tone starts at the top. We need more possession coaches on the girls side, enough of the kick and chase track stars.
          Huh. I don't see that at all. Which ECNL teams are you seeing that?

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            [QUOTE=Guest;n4523045]
            Originally posted by Guest View Post

            True story:

            When GDA was around, they tried to play "that way". USSF wanted them to. ECNL caters to college, which plays a different style. College coaches (not sure how many, but at least a few) didn't like to recruit from GDA not for the quality of player/league, but because they played a bit slower and more technical, which left some questions if they could handle the pace of the college game. So, if you are a club tasked with getting players into colleges, you will be better off mimicking that style of play.

            Doesn't help the USSF at all, but that's the reality.
            So the NT games are slower than college?

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              I just responded to the expert who said Man City do not possess the ball. Statistics suggest that they do as part of their overall game plan. Not trying to apply it to other teams. My overall point would be tactics have to be tailored to the skills your players possess. Trying to make players do things they cannot do consistently is foolish.

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                It's like the argument with Spain in the 2018 World Cup vs Russia - Spain broke the record for pass in a game at 1115 and had a 90% completion rate on passes ie 1003 completed passes with 79% possession and lost to Russia in a shoot out while Russia had all of 21% possession, all of 189 completed passes, and 1 shot on target. Spain was an All-Star team with some of the worlds best players and they flamed out to Russia.

                Passing for the sake of passing doesn't win games unless you can convert on the field advantage created. That is the reason for tiki-taka, pass, pass, pass, until the opponent gets tired (ball moves faster than people) and then exploit matchups and lanes. You go backwards to draw the attackers in and stretch the field and then quick, accurate passes thru the open spaces. Easy counter is don't get sucked in, send weak side to put pressure on def to pass forward to mid field where you should hold the advantage.

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                  [QUOTE=Guest;n4523045]
                  Originally posted by Guest View Post

                  True story:

                  When GDA was around, they tried to play "that way". USSF wanted them to. ECNL caters to college, which plays a different style. College coaches (not sure how many, but at least a few) didn't like to recruit from GDA not for the quality of player/league, but because they played a bit slower and more technical, which left some questions if they could handle the pace of the college game. So, if you are a club tasked with getting players into colleges, you will be better off mimicking that style of play.

                  Doesn't help the USSF at all, but that's the reality.
                  I watch college. They all play different styles. Florida State used to play beautiful possession style. You can not broad stroke the entire ncaa with one style of play. You really can’t criticize one tactic over another. You can will with any style or tactic but the problem with the USWNT is the girls aren’t all very good at what they are trying to accomplish and they aren’t playing together, which is the most important thing in soccer.

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                    Originally posted by Guest View Post

                    Yeah they do. It’s not practiced so you’ll never see it. All the midfielders definitely have the touch and ability to make accurate passes. But I know the USA definitely has enough talent to play that way. The thing is that usually the USA has enough speed and strength up top to not have to make 12 passes to score. If you can do it in 4-6 why do it in 12? There are no style points given. The Japanese have to play possession, the German’s play possession but are also direct and are more creative with their runs and are unselfish. The USA as they are currently constructed seem too selfish to work together and it’s getting them in terrible situations in midfield and they aren’t getting easy opportunities up top. But being a possession team doesn’t necessarily mean you will win. Just in the past two days Brazil and Germany both got knocked out. Both teams dominated all possession. Neither team did enough offensively to win. To me it shows that soccer in its basic form is more about not allowing goals and being opportunistic when given a chance to score.
                    This is correct. It's not like other countries are genetically superior at making passes, it's just a focus of their training. Of course US girls could do it if taught. They have just always been more athletically superior and not had to play that way.

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                      [QUOTE=Guest;n4522993]
                      Originally posted by Guest View Post

                      Top ecnl teams absolutly have the players with skill to complete a ton of passes yet the coaches still do not play that way. They punt 90% of the time too. Terrible coaching.
                      I disagree. They really dont. Mayeb they have the skill to play keep away vs overmatched teams, but they dont have the skill to do it with a purpose versus good teams. Watch Smith or Rodman. You cant pass the ball to them in tight space becasue it bounces off them 50% of the time! When they control it, they don have the IQ to think 3 moves ahead and execute the right pass accurately. We dont have a GK who can spot the right pass and execute it accurately. Im just giving obvious requirements and there are many more. Yet you think we have this on ECNL teams? Not a chance.

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                        I think what everyone can agree on is that in the US capitalistic structure their is zero incentive for clubs, leagues, or licensing authorities to get better. Youth clubs/teams will always be a thing and parents will fork over gobs of money to feel like their kid has a shot at something. With the short window for youth sports before HS and college any change enacted won't benefit most current players so parents just go with what they got instead. US Soccer needs to stand up and take action over the youth landscape instead of allowing subordinate organizations do as they please.

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                          Originally posted by Guest View Post
                          I just responded to the expert who said Man City do not possess the ball. Statistics suggest that they do as part of their overall game plan. Not trying to apply it to other teams. My overall point would be tactics have to be tailored to the skills your players possess. Trying to make players do things they cannot do consistently is foolish.
                          Pep wants to control the ball. Even he has realized that you still need the over the top threat to open the game up in the middle. It’s one thing to chase the ball. It’s another thing to chase the ball and the game! But you are 100% correct in saying it’s foolish to make players do what they can’t. Which is why you rarely see youth teams playing a complete possession game like Man City.

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                            [QUOTE=Guest;n4523060]
                            Originally posted by Guest View Post

                            I watch college. They all play different styles. Florida State used to play beautiful possession style. You can not broad stroke the entire ncaa with one style of play. You really can’t criticize one tactic over another. You can will with any style or tactic but the problem with the USWNT is the girls aren’t all very good at what they are trying to accomplish and they aren’t playing together, which is the most important thing in soccer.
                            The substitution rules are what they are, anyone with half a brain should be able to see the difference.

                            And, the opinions were from colleges themselves, not me. So, I'll defer to them if you don't mind. I didn't criticize one over the other, just stating the differences.

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                              [QUOTE=Guest;n4523050]
                              Originally posted by Guest View Post

                              So the NT games are slower than college?
                              Not so much slower, as sort of less "running."

                              College soccer, for many programs, not a great example of how to play. With the sub rules and short season, it becomes a track meet for tall and physical players. Watch some games on ESPN+ and you will frequently see boot ball. 4 man defense basically in a flat, forward facing line just sending long balls. No possession that requires real positional play. It is purely "bash it into free space and pray your fwd wins the foot race." In some ways, despite the better athletes, its actually WORSE than watching good ECNL teams play.

                              This is now the pipeline to the USWNT and we end up playing with Rodman and Smith who are great athletes and objectively awful soccer players.

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                                Originally posted by Guest View Post
                                I think what everyone can agree on is that in the US capitalistic structure their is zero incentive for clubs, leagues, or licensing authorities to get better. Youth clubs/teams will always be a thing and parents will fork over gobs of money to feel like their kid has a shot at something. With the short window for youth sports before HS and college any change enacted won't benefit most current players so parents just go with what they got instead. US Soccer needs to stand up and take action over the youth landscape instead of allowing subordinate organizations do as they please.
                                So in Europe where you have a professional club that invest money into a youth academy and kids play for “free” isn’t pay to play? That team owns the rights to your kid and I believe can sell them to another club at anytime. So I am jot so sure that’s all that free. The thing that is good about that system is the coaching is top notch and since parents pay nothing the coaches don’t have to deal with crazy parents telling their kids what to do from the sidelines, which would allow the coaches to mold the soccer players easier. I don’t think the USA parents would like that system here bc most of the kids would get cut and it would hurt their feelings. I am sure it’s very cut throat.

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