Ideal League Structure for NH

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If money, power and egos were not a factor in NH soccer, what would the ideal league structure look like? A single league with multiple divisions for all teams, or is there a genuine need to different leagues offering different things?

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IMO, less is always more. Would like a single league with divisions for all. Top division could be tied to a national championship pathway.

DA parents would never agree to it though.

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IMO, less is always more. Would like a single league with divisions for all. Top division could be tied to a national championship pathway.

DA parents would never agree to it though.

Why not? You realize most DA parents are lukewarm with it, right? I know that doesn't fit your agenda and impetus to attack them....

To the original question, I'm more in favor of two leagues. One that stays strictly within the state and one that travels within the Region.

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I'm not attacking DA or even anti-DA. Not sure why you jumped to that conclusion.

Currently there are leagues that don't require the travel DA does. New England NPL. DA parents chose DA because obviously NPL wasn't meeting their needs, the competition wasn't good enough. Had it been, why would they have left? It stands to reason that if NPL didn't meet those needs, a NH-based league wouldn't either.

If one left NPL for other reasons (training, prestige, etc), a NH-based league would still fall short.

Hence, same conclusion. DA parents wouldn't take part in a single NH league.

I'm not sure why you took my response personally or as an attack, but I was answering the question at hand, not speaking to anyone's particular situation.

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I'm not attacking DA or even anti-DA. Not sure why you jumped to that conclusion.

Currently there are leagues that don't require the travel DA does. New England NPL. DA parents chose DA because obviously NPL wasn't meeting their needs, the competition wasn't good enough. Had it been, why would they have left? It stands to reason that if NPL didn't meet those needs, a NH-based league wouldn't either.

If one left NPL for other reasons (training, prestige, etc), a NH-based league would still fall short.

Hence, same conclusion. DA parents wouldn't take part in a single NH league.

I'm not sure why you took my response personally or as an attack, but I was answering the question at hand, not speaking to anyone's particular situation.

You made a definitive comment "DA parents would never agree to it though." If you were speaking for all DA parents as a member of DA, then your reply would have a point. I'll assume you weren't, though.

So, I'll give my opinion -

If you want a league in NH, then 2 leagues would be good. Like all activities, you won't get everyone in that path to participate. Some like to go to school locally, some like to go away. Some like to ski in NH, some like to go away. Some like to play soccer locally, some like to go away.

Either way, for a NH-based system I would be in favor of two leagues. One concentrated 100% in-state that doesn't have aspirations beyond these borders; the other concentrated in a New England-based league.

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To the original question, I'm more in favor of two leagues. One that stays strictly within the state and one that travels within the Region.

Would these leagues ideally be under a single governing body, allowing clubs to allocate teams to the appropriate league without having to juggle multiple registration systems? And presumably the regional league would be open to any teams that were good enough?

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Would these leagues ideally be under a single governing body, allowing clubs to allocate teams to the appropriate league without having to juggle multiple registration systems? And presumably the regional league would be open to any teams that were good enough?

Good question(s).

With two leagues, I'd foresee two registration systems. For ease, possibly put them under one umbrella but with completely separate activities to support it. But, I think the registration would need to be separated since a "regional" league would need to have that registration system. Now, if you could get ALL states to support it, then you could likely combine it.

Philosophically, I'd be OK with letting anyone go into any league. When you get into the nuances, though, it would be hard to implement.

1) Just because a club, say Londonderry Soccer Club, feels they can compete in the Regional league...doesn't mean the parents want to.

2) Just because a club, say Bedford Soccer Club, feels they can compete in the Regional league...doesn't mean they can. Or, they can for a year, but not later.


Boy...the more I think about this the more difficult it becomes to really implement!!

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Would these leagues ideally be under a single governing body, allowing clubs to allocate teams to the appropriate league without having to juggle multiple registration systems? And presumably the regional league would be open to any teams that were good enough?

Absolutely pointless even talking about this. It’s not going to happen

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Absolutely pointless even talking about this. It’s not going to happen

You don't need to talk about it. You avoid the urge to type and hit the "Submit Reply" button. It's actually easier to not talk about it then it is to talk about it.

It's an interesting subject as how the soccer community has evolved over the last few decades. I don't think anyone can honestly say it's not a mess, has parents confused, and turned players of a wonderful game into political pawns at times.

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You made a definitive comment "DA parents would never agree to it though." If you were speaking for all DA parents as a member of DA, then your reply would have a point. I'll assume you weren't, though.

So, I'll give my opinion -

If you want a league in NH, then 2 leagues would be good. Like all activities, you won't get everyone in that path to participate. Some like to go to school locally, some like to go away. Some like to ski in NH, some like to go away. Some like to play soccer locally, some like to go away.

Either way, for a NH-based system I would be in favor of two leagues. One concentrated 100% in-state that doesn't have aspirations beyond these borders; the other concentrated in a New England-based league.

Why are you assuming I don't have a child in DA? It's not your business by I have a son in an upper age group. I've seen it all from the reluctant DA parents who think they're doing the best with what's offered to the super excited parents of first year DA kids.

The thread asked for an opinion, which I gave. I made no representation that I was speaking for all DA parents everywhere. I was offering an opinion, as were you.

You're now starting to sound like the stereotypical hyper-enthusiastic DA parent that give the rest of us a bad name. This isn't about you, your insecurities, or anyone insulting DA. Chill.

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Why are you assuming I don't have a child in DA? It's not your business by I have a son in an upper age group. I've seen it all from the reluctant DA parents who think they're doing the best with what's offered to the super excited parents of first year DA kids.

The thread asked for an opinion, which I gave. I made no representation that I was speaking for all DA parents everywhere. I was offering an opinion, as were you.

You're now starting to sound like the stereotypical hyper-enthusiastic DA parent that give the rest of us a bad name. This isn't about you, your insecurities, or anyone insulting DA. Chill.

My apologies, you are correct. I made a knee-jerk reaction of "here we go again" which was off-base.

I will go chill now.

My bad

(not being sarcastic)

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Absolutely pointless even talking about this. It’s not going to happen

Whether it will happen or not is irrelevant. If you don't want to talk about it, don't.

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I'm not attacking DA or even anti-DA. Not sure why you jumped to that conclusion.

Currently there are leagues that don't require the travel DA does. New England NPL. DA parents chose DA because obviously NPL wasn't meeting their needs, the competition wasn't good enough. Had it been, why would they have left?

The competition was perfectly fine. The SUSC NPL teams weren't exactly topping the NPL leagues, they were middle of the pack NPL teams at best. They left because SUSC decided to add DA and the families and kids were sold a bill of goods, and because if you didn't leave to play DA like most of your other NPL teammates did, you'd be left behind to play NPL with the scrubs who were promoted to NPL from the B team.

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Leagues

Good afternoon,

NH is to small of a state to have multiple leagues, right now you have NHSL& NNESL. This doesn't include NEP. We need to consolidate NHSL & NNESL to create better competition for the the state of NH. The problem are those who don't want to get their hands dirty to do the right thing for the Kids. The development of soccer players should come first and foremost the issue hear.

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Good afternoon,

NH is to small of a state to have multiple leagues, right now you have NHSL& NNESL. This doesn't include NEP. We need to consolidate NHSL & NNESL to create better competition for the the state of NH. The problem are those who don't want to get their hands dirty to do the right thing for the Kids. The development of soccer players should come first and foremost the issue hear.

Honestly, the NHSL & NNESL leagues both cater to town travel level teams. At that level, most teams in either league can find good competition for eight games a season. It's not a big deal to have two different leagues, clubs can choose which one they prefer, or have an option to switch if they aren't happy where they are (competition is good for consumers).