Seacoast United to join GDA

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Really? How so? It’s not true? Name some recent NT Girls players or even NT pool players coming out of Seacoast? I can name several from Stars and SSS, NEFC even Oakwood. Do you know what a National team player is? I’m guessing you do not. I’d wager Seacoast has never had any on the girls side. In other words the program has never been able to produce top talent. Really elite girls (like Morgan Andrews) have gone down to MA. So again why would I send my elite player there at a young age? They have never proven able to coach a girl up to the top.
You don’t know what you don’t know.

You have an elite player who you think is NT quality? Or do you just think having your kid around actual elite players will sound better? Talent by osmosis.

The real challenge SU will face is this mentality. 99% of NH girls could be well served up in NH by SU but their parents are fooled into thinking they're "elite" and "NT quality" so they will haul them down to MA. Truth is they'll be subsidizing the few elite players that exist, but mom and dad will feel special because their kid plays on this "elite" team and happily write the check.

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Oh and again you don’t know what you don’t know. Many clubs around the country have 2-4 ECNL teams for each birth year. This is nothing new. The larger the club the more they are allowed to have in the league. Spammers have 4 per age group. So dear Seacoast parent you are ignorant to the actual top tiers of youth soccer.

How's the kool-aid taste? Bit bitter this morning?

Sorry you followed SM down there with a DA promise, only for them to punt (and there's many surprising reasons why, not all which Stars have said). What was going to be all-in DA is now relegated to the B team. And, it is a B team. More road games, longer rides for practices, and merry-go-round coaches.

Anyone who followed that a-hole is a tool and you are welcome to stay exactly where you are. I promise to buy your little darling's shirt when she makes the NT.

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Give me one name of a girls National team player or even pool player from Seacoast.

Article about national teams for those that don’t know what they are.

https://www.soccerwire.com/blog-post...-team-players/

Thanks for this article. It lists number of YNT call-ups by club for 2015-2016. It mentions that the top 13 are ECNL clubs and that 80% of players in the entire YNT pool come from ECNL clubs. It will be really interesting to see how this starts changing now as GDA starts to take root, especially in certain areas of the country.

I'll bet within another 5 years, many of those top ECNL clubs that end up staying in ECNL, especially those that had an "in" with the YNT staff/scouts to place players, will be replaced by GDA clubs. Not saying Seacoast will suddenly produce 8 YNT players in a given year, but politics plays a huge role in YNT call-ups and those who fall out of favor are going to feel the difference.

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Give me one name of a girls National team player or even pool player from Seacoast.

Article about national teams for those that don’t know what they are.

https://www.soccerwire.com/blog-post...-team-players/

Wait, so you are using an article that list players from before GDA was started to prove something?

And, more to the point, who gives a $#%& about YNT? Do you think that is what this is about?

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Not really hard at all. The explanation would be that as a club they did not believe that they would have the necessary situation to support GDA (due to typical makeup of existing teams, location, etc) especially on such short notice. Then, could ask if it could be put off until the following year so they could get a better feel from the players/parents. The boys typically struggle with numbers and level of play at Seacoast at older ages ... So, I imagine the girls will be more difficult. This was not well thought out

It's not hard to realize that USSF is in reactionary mode to clubs departing and needing to fill up divisions. It was probably now or never in that USSF indicated we are going to replace Stars with another NE team. You can have it or otherwise we will find another club to take it now and you may not be offered it again anytime soon.

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Wait, so you are using an article that list players from before GDA was started to prove something?

And, more to the point, who gives a $#%& about YNT? Do you think that is what this is about?

Not the OP, but much of the GDA rhetoric revolves around NT pathways.

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Must be a down day for some of these other club coaches. Get outside and enjoy the weather!

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Not the OP, but much of the GDA rhetoric revolves around NT pathways.

That's the same with any club or level. You've got Stars coaches promising D1 scholarships. Clubs talk about "Pathways" and, yes, SUSC pitched the YNT carrot.

Ignore it. Nobody should be choosing their clubs based on these carrots.

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So this really comes down to the Big Bad Capitalistic Clubs problem then? This isn't about GDA, it's about how people out to make money are bad (as I type that wearing Old Navy shorts, an Adidas T-Shirt, Birkenstocks, on an Apple iPhone).

Clubs provide a service, for a fee, with the hope more people sign up for said service which in totality outweigh the expenses to procure and operate those services. They position themselves as the best to be able to provide said service, and market it to a sector of people looking for said service.

Fortunately, everyone has a right to not sign up for said service, and look elsewhere either through other competing clubs, or activities in a different field. Certainly nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Sad is the person, or persons, who sign up for anything with an expectation of future-provided value without researching on their own. Yes, it's easier to go back and blame the seller after, but caveat emptor.

Nowhere on their website are promises made, or even expectations set.

Not what my post was about at all.... I am a business person and its not bad to make money. Just stop pretending to care about the athletic growth and development of my kid and her friends when you are looking to make a profit first, and improve kids play second. Because when the first priority of making money does not happen, my kid, my wallet, and the "structure" of the business will be the focus, not the quality of soccer. that's why SU has so many levels of play to fund the needs.

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Nobody spoke about the real problem with GDA and SU. The fact is they have never produced top talent. No National team players or high level division I successful recruits (I’m talking Duke, USC, etc). All the kids from NH that have been truly elite have played for Stars. SUs program is not first class and doesn’t produce players with the skills and talent to succeed at the top levels. So now they are asking people to bring their kids there to play in the top league. Why? Why would I bring my Stars ECNL player there to play with sub-par players and train under coaches not capable of training her? That’s the problem. SU can’t hold a candle to Stars ECNL teams.

Rachel Hill played for SU NPL. Morgan Andrews played FCStars and Abby Brummett played some SU correct?

That is some top talent... but2 in the last 20 years is not a great product.

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Not what my post was about at all.... I am a business person and its not bad to make money. Just stop pretending to care about the athletic growth and development of my kid and her friends when you are looking to make a profit first, and improve kids play second. Because when the first priority of making money does not happen, my kid, my wallet, and the "structure" of the business will be the focus, not the quality of soccer. that's why SU has so many levels of play to fund the needs.

Same can be said about USSF

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Rachel Hill played for SU NPL. Morgan Andrews played FCStars and Abby Brummett played some SU correct?

That is some top talent... but2 in the last 20 years is not a great product.

It's impossible to compare that way and decide what kind of product SU offers. If Stars or whoever had the exact same kids, could they have produced more NT players? Who could know?

Beyond that, I don't evaluate the product based on how many NT players have been produced. It applies to so few kids. I look at MY OWN kids. Are they developing? Do they like their coaches? Do I? Is the team generally well run and is communication forthcoming? Most important, because they are kids and this is a sport, a game, are they having fun? So far, SU has done a good job for my family and the answer is yes to those questions. When that stops being the case, we will look to another club who can give us that experience, but we certainly won't choose based on NT players. I know that isn't indicative of my own kids experience.

I have zero issue with SU being a business. As a business, they'll be successful by offering a quality product. I have doubts that GDA will help them to that end. If their business suffers, the product suffers, and our experience suffers. That's it. Not worrying about NT players, just my kids.

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Not what my post was about at all.... I am a business person and its not bad to make money. Just stop pretending to care about the athletic growth and development of my kid and her friends when you are looking to make a profit first, and improve kids play second. Because when the first priority of making money does not happen, my kid, my wallet, and the "structure" of the business will be the focus, not the quality of soccer. that's why SU has so many levels of play to fund the needs.

Would you rather their mission statement was "Introduce as many people as possible to soccer and retire by 40?"

With any business...the goal is to make money. To stay in business, you have to provide value for that service. If you feel there is no value, you are welcome to leave. If you do, you are welcome to stay.

Really no need to overthink it.

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Would you rather their mission statement was "Introduce as many people as possible to soccer and retire by 40?"

With any business...the goal is to make money. To stay in business, you have to provide value for that service. If you feel there is no value, you are welcome to leave. If you do, you are welcome to stay.

Really no need to overthink it.

Yes, this. They're in business to make $ and to do that, they try to offer the products their customers want. They may have missed the mark with GDA, time will tell, but being a business doesn't make them evil.

I can't think of a single business model where the business exists and making a profit isn't the goal. Not sure why club soccer takes a beating for it. If they're offering a product with consumers happy to spend their money there, then it's a win win.

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Yes, this. They're in business to make $ and to do that, they try to offer the products their customers want. They may have missed the mark with GDA, time will tell, but being a business doesn't make them evil.

I can't think of a single business model where the business exists and making a profit isn't the goal. Not sure why club soccer takes a beating for it. If they're offering a product with consumers happy to spend their money there, then it's a win win.

One of the features of a well run business is to know your customer... Is Seacoast following this rule?