Seacoast United to join GDA

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Just manage your expectations. The gda does not miraculously draw in all these players and coaches and everything is different and better. Have not found it to be dramatically different from what came before and what will likely come after. Travel may be different but by gda age, the players and coaches dont change all that much.

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I never said it wouldn't cost more. What I pay for soccer and how it relates to what the costs will be for GDA should we end up in that route is what I have asked. Some fees added in...were already under consideration for me. Looking for clarity specifically about the $3k for California. That's really all I am down to.

I have no idea about patches, so not sure why you constantly bring it up. My daughter is not the best on her team. She's in the top third. She wants more. She doesn't want to play with players who don't want to be there any longer...and that's how her team is. If I could drive to Lancaster 3-4x a week we would.

So, some of them are looking forward to being on a dedicated team. What is that so wrong? What do you have to be a ***** about what SHE wants. Not ME. Typing the same bullsh!t lie over and over again doesn't eventually make it true.

You mock a kid about her abilities. Must make you feel pretty tough. I bet your the parent on the sideline griping about other kids when they make mistakes, too.

Top level kids aren't going to come raining out of the sky this year, maybe not next, maybe not ever. So? If you aren't doing it...why in God's name do you care? Seriously?

Are you this much of a d!ck to everyone who doesn't do what you do?


You haven't made a single truthful statement about me or my family. Just another opinioned blowhard soccer know-it-all who knows everything since his kid's started playing. Dime a dozen.

Simmer down. If the talent isn't raining down, and the best Seacoast has been able to do thus far is put these girls that you say don't want to be there on her NPL team, WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE ON THE GDA TEAM? I do not know any way to ask you that question any more clearly. You're saying you realize the high level player isn't going to show up this year. Who exactly do you expect to be on this team?? It's going to be the same girls who aren't meeting your, er, her expectations this year. How do you not see it?

And speaking of dime a dozen parents... have you looked around at the sheer number of parents fooling themselves and their kids into believing they're something they're not?

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Day-um! There's some brutal honestly going on here. Had to triple check I wasn't in the CT forum.

The poster who is going DA: the guy giving you a hard time is brutal - but he's right. Remove the attacks and hear the message. Teams going from NPL to DA or ECNL really do not change much. If you aren't happy with the level of dedication from her teammates now you won't be next year either. The coaching won't change much unless they are bringing in someone from outside the club. The time and money will change but not much else. If you know that and still want in, go for it. Just don't let yourself be sold on something the club is promoting that isn't really going to exist.

Many of us have been in your shoes. The product sounds enticing but doesn't deliver. Maybe it's different for the boys but the girls side isn't there.

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Thank you very much. I will take off the $2000 incidentals as that is already being done today between this and other soccer-related activity (which would go away), so it just falls into an operating expense that equals out. I'd say those road trip numbers look fair, and were the outlier I couldn't account for.

Can you expand on the $3k for Caifornia? How much of that is a club fee, and how much of that is travel expense (and based on family size)?

I heard $275 per night mandatory hotel expense for the MA DA girls. It is a 5 night trip. Here were my estimates:

$1400 hotel
$1000 airfare (for two people)
$600 food and rental car

These numbers are conservative. Some I know will spend over $3000 by eating every meal out, not sitting a rental car with another family, or getting a bad deal on airfare.

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I heard $275 per night mandatory hotel expense for the MA DA girls. It is a 5 night trip. Here were my estimates:

$1400 hotel
$1000 airfare (for two people)
$600 food and rental car

These numbers are conservative. Some I know will spend over $3000 by eating every meal out, not sitting a rental car with another family, or getting a bad deal on airfare.

*Splitting

If you can share a hotel room with another family you could save a lot.

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Simmer down. If the talent isn't raining down, and the best Seacoast has been able to do thus far is put these girls that you say don't want to be there on her NPL team, WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE ON THE GDA TEAM? I do not know any way to ask you that question any more clearly. You're saying you realize the high level player isn't going to show up this year. Who exactly do you expect to be on this team?? It's going to be the same girls who aren't meeting your, er, her expectations this year. How do you not see it?

And speaking of dime a dozen parents... have you looked around at the sheer number of parents fooling themselves and their kids into believing they're something they're not?

Don't tell me to simmer down. You've done nothing buy badmouth my kid for over a day now. Frankly, it pisses me off as I've never done anything you accuse me of, yet you continue to look down on others who think differently.

Who is going to be on the team? I don't know...really curious to find out. I expect this year to be very thin for both this team and the NPL team. Those who shouldn't be there now, or who aren't dedicated to try it, will falloff. That's perfectly fine. I can guarantee the sidelline will be much more pleasant

It's way too late to form the team, so it's going to be a struggle. That's fine. Why do you think I don't see it? When have I ever made any implication they will be great? Why keep hanging your hat on that? Why do you think the results of the games will matter this year? I get it now...you are in for the results. That's fine, I guess.

But...I still can't get past this point: Why do you care?

Yes...I've been hearing about "my kid's getting a scholarship" crowd for ten years now. Those who have any shot, and I don't see any around us, aren't the one's who say anything. I have zero expectations on anything other than her desire to push herself. Why is that bad?

Is this country so pussified that we are ready to settle? Why not push yourself outside the comfort zone? What's the worst that happens...she fails and goes back to what she's doing?

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I heard $275 per night mandatory hotel expense for the MA DA girls. It is a 5 night trip. Here were my estimates:

$1400 hotel
$1000 airfare (for two people)
$600 food and rental car

These numbers are conservative. Some I know will spend over $3000 by eating every meal out, not sitting a rental car with another family, or getting a bad deal on airfare.

Thank you.

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Day-um! There's some brutal honestly going on here. Had to triple check I wasn't in the CT forum.

The poster who is going DA: the guy giving you a hard time is brutal - but he's right. Remove the attacks and hear the message. Teams going from NPL to DA or ECNL really do not change much. If you aren't happy with the level of dedication from her teammates now you won't be next year either. The coaching won't change much unless they are bringing in someone from outside the club. The time and money will change but not much else. If you know that and still want in, go for it. Just don't let yourself be sold on something the club is promoting that isn't really going to exist.

Many of us have been in your shoes. The product sounds enticing but doesn't deliver. Maybe it's different for the boys but the girls side isn't there.

Similar on the boys side... Unfortunately, by the time the players are HS age at Seacoast, the teams start falling apart (they are ok at the younger DA age groups). History backs this up.

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Don't tell me to simmer down. You've done nothing buy badmouth my kid for over a day now. Frankly, it pisses me off as I've never done anything you accuse me of, yet you continue to look down on others who think differently.

Who is going to be on the team? I don't know...really curious to find out. I expect this year to be very thin for both this team and the NPL team. Those who shouldn't be there now, or who aren't dedicated to try it, will falloff. That's perfectly fine. I can guarantee the sidelline will be much more pleasant

It's way too late to form the team, so it's going to be a struggle. That's fine. Why do you think I don't see it? When have I ever made any implication they will be great? Why keep hanging your hat on that? Why do you think the results of the games will matter this year? I get it now...you are in for the results. That's fine, I guess.

But...I still can't get past this point: Why do you care?

Yes...I've been hearing about "my kid's getting a scholarship" crowd for ten years now. Those who have any shot, and I don't see any around us, aren't the one's who say anything. I have zero expectations on anything other than her desire to push herself. Why is that bad?

Is this country so pussified that we are ready to settle? Why not push yourself outside the comfort zone? What's the worst that happens...she fails and goes back to what she's doing?

You're talking in circles again. Try to pay attention. Not talking about wins and losses here. You've given many reasons why GDA is the right path for your kid. The latest is that the girls on her NPL team aren't serious about soccer like she is. So I'm asking you - you've admitted new talent isn't likely to appear so it would stand to reason that Seacoast is going to need those same apathetic girls to fill the roster in order to field a team. So how does this benefit your kid? Same team, different patch. You say it's not that patch or pushing for what you want for your kid, but you've yet to to give a single actual reason as to how this will benefit your kid. So I'm left with the patch or living through your kid options.

As far as results, are they the only thing that matters? Of course not. But at some point you need to lose that everyone is a winner mentality and realize people play sports to win. Who is winning and losing matches is a decent indicator as to the strength of the programs. Or are you too pussified to let kids win and lose?

To be fair, I'm not ripping on your D. I'm sure she's a great player in the correct level. I'm ripping on your delusional expectations. And why do you care what I think anyway? Isn't that your argument?

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Day-um! There's some brutal honestly going on here. Had to triple check I wasn't in the CT forum.

The poster who is going DA: the guy giving you a hard time is brutal - but he's right. Remove the attacks and hear the message. Teams going from NPL to DA or ECNL really do not change much. If you aren't happy with the level of dedication from her teammates now you won't be next year either. The coaching won't change much unless they are bringing in someone from outside the club. The time and money will change but not much else. If you know that and still want in, go for it. Just don't let yourself be sold on something the club is promoting that isn't really going to exist.

Many of us have been in your shoes. The product sounds enticing but doesn't deliver. Maybe it's different for the boys but the girls side isn't there.

I think what some on the team are hoping to see is there are 11, maybe 13, players who are dedicated to it. Most are pretty good overall as well, but 5-6 would be in consideration for another club's best team (maybe).

The problem is when the roster is 16-18, those MIA players will play on game days even though they missed practices during the week. It drags the entire group down. Maybe, possibly, it would be better to go into battle with the right 11 vs. the wrong 16. Those who aren't dedicated won't be there, so it's addition by subtraction.

The coaches won't change, and the philosophy won't change either. The DA oversight will help if it follows through. I get the impression it was to much for Stars to handle (I should say, probably not worth it as they had ECNL to fall back on)

Girls side is tough to gauge, IMO. It's only been around a year, and has competition with ECNL that the boys don't see as much. It may never work out. Traveling to an ECNL team just isn't in the cards right now for us, so we've always held off.

I'm not all that sure overall, how "enticing" it is. I have my reservations on it as I realize the whole DA philosophy is to find the next NT player. The rest are here to carry the water somewhat. But, we also feel we may go the route if enough go. Stinks to be in that position, but the alternative appears to be worse. I'm not sure I can take another year of what we just went through.

Every year we sit down and discuss with her what she would want to do. The options range from dropping it completely, to playing for the local travel team and her school, to trying to find the most advanced team she can handle and we can manage monetarily and logistically. Should she make it, we'll do the same next year with a lot more first-hand knowledge under our belt.

Thank you for your advice, it is helpful.

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I think what some on the team are hoping to see is there are 11, maybe 13, players who are dedicated to it. Most are pretty good overall as well, but 5-6 would be in consideration for another club's best team (maybe).

The problem is when the roster is 16-18, those MIA players will play on game days even though they missed practices during the week. It drags the entire group down. Maybe, possibly, it would be better to go into battle with the right 11 vs. the wrong 16. Those who aren't dedicated won't be there, so it's addition by subtraction.

The coaches won't change, and the philosophy won't change either. The DA oversight will help if it follows through. I get the impression it was to much for Stars to handle (I should say, probably not worth it as they had ECNL to fall back on)

Girls side is tough to gauge, IMO. It's only been around a year, and has competition with ECNL that the boys don't see as much. It may never work out. Traveling to an ECNL team just isn't in the cards right now for us, so we've always held off.

I'm not all that sure overall, how "enticing" it is. I have my reservations on it as I realize the whole DA philosophy is to find the next NT player. The rest are here to carry the water somewhat. But, we also feel we may go the route if enough go. Stinks to be in that position, but the alternative appears to be worse. I'm not sure I can take another year of what we just went through.

Every year we sit down and discuss with her what she would want to do. The options range from dropping it completely, to playing for the local travel team and her school, to trying to find the most advanced team she can handle and we can manage monetarily and logistically. Should she make it, we'll do the same next year with a lot more first-hand knowledge under our belt.

Thank you for your advice, it is helpful.

They would need to roster more than 13 for an 11 v 11 team, I think? Did I hear that they're doing mixed age groups? U13/U14, etc? That could help. Pull in the interested girls from 2 NPL teams. I guess that might leave spots on the NPL teams for premier girls to fill, which isn't a bad thing. I've seen some good premier players who either must have just missed NPL or vastly improved in the prior year.

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They would need to roster more than 13 for an 11 v 11 team, I think? Did I hear that they're doing mixed age groups? U13/U14, etc? That could help. Pull in the interested girls from 2 NPL teams. I guess that might leave spots on the NPL teams for premier girls to fill, which isn't a bad thing. I've seen some good premier players who either must have just missed NPL or vastly improved in the prior year.

Combined years are only U16/U17 & U18/U19. Single years are U14 & U15

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Combined years are only U16/U17 & U18/U19. Single years are U14 & U15

I see. This is what the website says so I wasn't clear.

Seacoast United will enter teams in the U13/14, U15, U17, and U19 age groups for the 2018/19 season,

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I see. This is what the website says so I wasn't clear.

Seacoast United will enter teams in the U13/14, U15, U17, and U19 age groups for the 2018/19 season,

They are going to pull kids up if deserving/needed. Since there is no straight U13 team, it's an easier sell. Not sure how many would be deserving, but I will say the 2006 team is pretty good.

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I see. This is what the website says so I wasn't clear.

Seacoast United will enter teams in the U13/14, U15, U17, and U19 age groups for the 2018/19 season,

They probably word it that way because they intend to take the best do U13 players they can find and play them with the U14 team, but it’s a U14 league.

Here’s the deal though... because most of U18 & U19’s already have their college commitment many choose to forego DA so they can play HS, etc. So many GDA clubs end up having to pull up a lot of their top U17’s to fill the U18/U19 roster (for instance, I think BBA currently has 8 2001 players on their 99/00 roster.) This then means more open spots that get backfilled with 2nd tier players to fill out the U16/U17 rosters. The U15 age group is about the only pure single age group roster of first tier players. U14’s are close behind, but they can, and do pull up U13’s to fill spots. I am hearing a lot of current BBA DA players are self-demoting to their NPL team next year, or moving away from the club altogether, because they are not enamored by the costs, travel, sacrifice, and subbing rules. This means that their NPL teams will get stronger, but maybe their DA teams get weaker (at least in a few age groups).