BC woman’s soccer

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With money and opportunity available, teams go where they can to get it.

Look at ND who are independent in football not ACC. Their hockey could be a different conference too.

New times, good teams go where they may have success (which brings in more top recruits). .

Again very few examples that was the poster's point

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You are the reason why I like reading TS. Your perspective is part of the spectrum of parents who think they know what’s best for their daughter’s club soccer team and now with college. It amusing to read your logic. The discussion is just that parents giving their thoughts which I believe reading your post is unrealistic and will NEVER happen. I have taught my daughter is that to navigate thru life it’s about overcoming obstacles and moving through adversity no matter how rough the storms can get. Your logic is “dummy yourself down” if your not winning enough and making the NCAA every year. Play at a lessor conference since you can’t compete against the best. That doesn’t work for me or how my kids were brought up. I would rather see BC fight and compete against the best competition then play in a league below. If you asked the BC players which would they refer I would get every player would want to stay in this league. This discussion is an insult to every BC player that compete ad you think it’s in their best interest they should move down a league. Thankfully, this is not club soccer so parents have no say with this college soccer team. I want to see BC succeed too so that they can prove your kind wrong.

i did not say American East. bigEast, AAC and CAA are good conferences.

And of course the current players would want to stay in ACC. They punched up to be in it.

I teach my kid to work through adversity too who currently plays at a top school and program and did not consider BC despite their reach outs.

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Again very few examples that was the poster's point

Yes. Poster was showing there are quality very few examples out there vs staying stagnate and sticking with the mindset, "very few examples" out there.

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You are the reason why I like reading TS. Your perspective is part of the spectrum of parents who think they know what’s best for their daughter’s club soccer team and now with college. It amusing to read your logic. The discussion is just that parents giving their thoughts which I believe reading your post is unrealistic and will NEVER happen. I have taught my daughter is that to navigate thru life it’s about overcoming obstacles and moving through adversity no matter how rough the storms can get. Your logic is “dummy yourself down” if your not winning enough and making the NCAA every year. Play at a lessor conference since you can’t compete against the best. That doesn’t work for me or how my kids were brought up. I would rather see BC fight and compete against the best competition then play in a league below. If you asked the BC players which would they refer I would get every player would want to stay in this league. This discussion is an insult to every BC player that compete ad you think it’s in their best interest they should move down a league. Thankfully, this is not club soccer so parents have no say with this college soccer team. I want to see BC succeed too so that they can prove your kind wrong.

Yep. And the kids at the bottom of every conference would not want to change. Sorry if one is your kid.

Also who thinks any discussion on this blog would change anything? It is a discussion on an anonymous blog. That is all it is.

Your rant that you think this is anything but a discussion that won't go anywhere is a tell into how delusional you are. Hahaha.

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i did not say American East. bigEast, AAC and CAA are good conferences.

And of course the current players would want to stay in ACC. They punched up to be in it.

I teach my kid to work through adversity too who currently plays at a top school and program and did not consider BC despite their reach outs.

Another poster said my OP was a rant. You, yourself are agreeing with the post about working through adversity and flip /flop back that your daughter also plays at a top school and wouldn’t consider BC. Yet, in your post said you personally liked BC and want them to succeed. Make up your mind about this discussion. Are you succeeding by playing down a very competitive league to hopefully make the NCAA? Are you succeeding by playing easy OOC games to bolster your record to succeed or do you play in the most competitive league and compete against the best teams/players. I said players currently at BC have the mindset to succeed exactly where they are right now. It’s parents who see it differently. By the way this is not a rant, it’s furthering the discussion about student-athletes building confidence and self esteem by competing against better players.

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With money and opportunity available, teams go where they can to get it.

Look at ND who are independent in football not ACC. Their hockey could be a different conference too.

New times, good teams go where they may have success (which brings in more top recruits). .

ND Football is all about the money. ACC doesn't get as much TV coverage for football but certainly does for basketball. Only one team they play next year in ACC (They're still playing four ACC teams) has a winning record. They'll be able to schedule much better games going independent.

This is women's soccer - no money, no moves.

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Top players want to compete against other top players, period, end of story. Players go to BC to play in the ACC against the top programs in the country. The team wants to be competitive it’s the parents who see it differently. You move the womens’ s soccer program to a lower league you will see the core group of players in the transfer portal. In addition, the quality of players will diminish greatly. Yes, college sports is a business and that’s what matters. Soccer is a non Olympic sports that doesn’t generate revenue but being part of the ACC is everything. Every Big East/CAA would apply to join the ACC immediately if they had the chance and now you have TS parents with your logic wanting them to play in a lessor league. There is no upside to that thinking. BC cannot get the same top ACC players because of location, turf fields and poor athletic facilities.

If BC players cannot compete with the best in the ACC, are they top players being poorly coached or not top players?BC want the prestige associated with the top of the ACC by association, not by truly competing. They have not competed at the mid . let alone top of the ACC in a while.

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If BC players cannot compete with the best in the ACC, are they top players being poorly coached or not top players?BC want the prestige associated with the top of the ACC by association, not by truly competing. They have not competed at the mid . let alone top of the ACC in a while.

When your competing in the ACC your competing against the best teams/players in the country. UNC, Duke, UVA, Fla State are right at the top of the soccer pyramid. The best of the best choose those ACC schools above all others. With 6 teams making the ACC tournament it then comes down to 2 additional teams.among many competitive ACC teams. It’s just the way it is competitively. BC knows each year they have to “climb that hill” against the odds and that’s what builds character. As far as top players I would bet they get hundreds of emails from top players wanting to play in the ACC vs. that competition and get turned down by the coaching staff.

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You are the reason why I like reading TS. Your perspective is part of the spectrum of parents who think they know what’s best for their daughter’s club soccer team and now with college. It amusing to read your logic. The discussion is just that parents giving their thoughts which I believe reading your post is unrealistic and will NEVER happen. I have taught my daughter is that to navigate thru life it’s about overcoming obstacles and moving through adversity no matter how rough the storms can get. Your logic is “dummy yourself down” if your not winning enough and making the NCAA every year. Play at a lessor conference since you can’t compete against the best. That doesn’t work for me or how my kids were brought up. I would rather see BC fight and compete against the best competition then play in a league below. If you asked the BC players which would they refer I would get every player would want to stay in this league. This discussion is an insult to every BC player that compete ad you think it’s in their best interest they should move down a league. Thankfully, this is not club soccer so parents have no say with this college soccer team. I want to see BC succeed too so that they can prove your kind wrong.

Agree with this, but if this was just about women's soccer, I would question whether any team has the right to compete vs the best or call themselves such, if they show for a long period, limited signs of catching up. Top nationally relevant players will have options that include grass, warmer climates, top coaching, "clout" within the school AND a great education. How do you win that competition often enough to be able to compete consistently? Either you hope to produce nationally relevant players who want to stay home thru your Club network or you need to recruit successfully internationally. Dont let these top leagues fool you. The USA is not developing a ton of elite female players. the business wants you to believe that. It is developing enough players who are above a certain level to fill the need of most of the 330+ programs. Yes its competitive, but success comes down to more factors that just the quality of soccer player you are ( as long as close enough). The handful of schools that have great academic and soccer reps, tend to have the best chance of getting who they want from the US pool and its not deep enough to support 25 elite teams.

Anyway , I digress....

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If BC players cannot compete with the best in the ACC, are they top players being poorly coached or not top players?BC want the prestige associated with the top of the ACC by association, not by truly competing. They have not competed at the mid . let alone top of the ACC in a while.

Let's say there's a set of players who are ACC qualified. Putting aside the education part, top players will likely be more inclined to want the "better" programs. Once a program sits in the basement for awhile it's tough to get that smell off of them. That leaves the rest of the ACC qualified pool to pick among the somewhat less desired programs.

Of course in reality it's reality a combination of player quality and coaching. A new coach will now test out that theory

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When your competing in the ACC your competing against the best teams/players in the country. UNC, Duke, UVA, Fla State are right at the top of the soccer pyramid. The best of the best choose those ACC schools above all others. With 6 teams making the ACC tournament it then comes down to 2 additional teams.among many competitive ACC teams. It’s just the way it is competitively. BC knows each year they have to “climb that hill” against the odds and that’s what builds character. As far as top players I would bet they get hundreds of emails from top players wanting to play in the ACC vs. that competition and get turned down by the coaching staff.

i agree. I am just trying to get you to realize that the top of the soccer pyramid is where the top players are. BC dont have many players like that. Expectations need to be consistent and if you really want to compete, you need to become an option for more top players

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Top players want to compete against other top players, period, end of story. Players go to BC to play in the ACC against the top programs in the country. ......BC cannot get the same top ACC players because of location, turf fields and poor athletic facilities.

This is exactly why BC should leave the ACC. They simply can't keep up, and the other top programs with top players are annoyed to travel up here and play sub-standard teams, with sub-standard facilities

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When your competing in the ACC your competing against the best teams/players in the country. UNC, Duke, UVA, Fla State are right at the top of the soccer pyramid. The best of the best choose those ACC schools above all others. With 6 teams making the ACC tournament it then comes down to 2 additional teams.among many competitive ACC teams. It’s just the way it is competitively. BC knows each year they have to “climb that hill” against the odds and that’s what builds character. As far as top players I would bet they get hundreds of emails from top players wanting to play in the ACC vs. that competition and get turned down by the coaching staff.

Last questions: Why would BC coaching staff turn down top players?

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Another poster said my OP was a rant. You, yourself are agreeing with the post about working through adversity and flip /flop back that your daughter also plays at a top school and wouldn’t consider BC. Yet, in your post said you personally liked BC and want them to succeed. Make up your mind about this discussion. Are you succeeding by playing down a very competitive league to hopefully make the NCAA? Are you succeeding by playing easy OOC games to bolster your record to succeed or do you play in the most competitive league and compete against the best teams/players. I said players currently at BC have the mindset to succeed exactly where they are right now. It’s parents who see it differently. By the way this is not a rant, it’s furthering the discussion about student-athletes building confidence and self esteem by competing against better players.

You have no idea what adversity some have gone or are going through. Life gives you many instances and challenges. Choosing to go to BC is hardly one to muster pity. Adversity? Hahaha. Hardly.

Yes. I like the school and the program and the coaches and yes my kid passed as she saw herself elsewhere doing exactly as you said, playing with and against top players.

Who said anything about easy ooc games? I think most occ games should be challenging.

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Last questions: Why would BC coaching staff turn down top players?

hahahahahha..I missed that one. Great question, i guess that answers my question. Its poor coaching AND good/not enough top talent relative to the teams they want to compete against. BC rivals in ACC are Louisville,Miami,Syracuse right now. Not that long ago you could have added NC State and Pitt. Not anymore.