D3 Pre Read Process

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My player has heard back positively from 4 schools so far in New England as it relates to D3 soccer. I understand these things are non binding but if we "verbally commit" to a school and then end up not getting in we likely are screwed with the other schools.

Does anyone have any idea of how often these pre reads fail? Are some schools worse at pre-read commitments then others?

Thanks in advance.

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Hi
My player has heard back positively from 4 schools so far in New England as it relates to D3 soccer. I understand these things are non binding but if we "verbally commit" to a school and then end up not getting in we likely are screwed with the other schools.

Does anyone have any idea of how often these pre reads fail? Are some schools worse at pre-read commitments then others?

Thanks in advance.

It would be unlikely that your player wouldn’t get in if given a verbal offer. Coaches won’t want to offer a spot to a kid that isn’t going to get accepted. I’m sure it occasionally happens but I doubt very often. If so, yes you’ll then you’ll have to scramble. If a coach offers a spot and tells you to apply early decision you’ll prob be fine.

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Hi
My player has heard back positively from 4 schools so far in New England as it relates to D3 soccer. I understand these things are non binding but if we "verbally commit" to a school and then end up not getting in we likely are screwed with the other schools.

Does anyone have any idea of how often these pre reads fail? Are some schools worse at pre-read commitments then others?

Thanks in advance.

Pre read are usually done in the summer/early fall of senior year. Some admissions offices won't budge or barely budge on their standards at all, others will give a little more for a few athletes. Coaches want to k ow you will get in. They will also tell you to apply ED or EA. If something happens and you don't get in they want to know as soon as possible

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It would be unlikely that your player wouldn’t get in if given a verbal offer. Coaches won’t want to offer a spot to a kid that isn’t going to get accepted. I’m sure it occasionally happens but I doubt very often. If so, yes you’ll then you’ll have to scramble. If a coach offers a spot and tells you to apply early decision you’ll prob be fine.

It happens occasionally that a kid doesn't get in despite the coach tip. You should know the school's standards, and you should know where your kid fits--in other words, how much of a stretch it is for the coach. If you are looking at a NESCAC, you should find out from the coach which band-A B or C-you are in--that will tell you how safe you are.

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two are Nescac, one is Newmac, one is UAA. we heard from two other nescacs that the player would not be able to get in.

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two are Nescac, one is Newmac, one is UAA. we heard from two other nescacs that the player would not be able to get in.

A UAA coach told my player flat out he didn't think they'd get in. They didn't

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Hi
My player has heard back positively from 4 schools so far in New England as it relates to D3 soccer. I understand these things are non binding but if we "verbally commit" to a school and then end up not getting in we likely are screwed with the other schools.

Does anyone have any idea of how often these pre reads fail? Are some schools worse at pre-read commitments then others?

Thanks in advance.

It can depend on the school. You can ask the coach what their track record is with these verbals. Obviously the coach will try to paint a positive. If they answer quickly with a positive reaction (even if not 100%), then you can feel good about it. If they are hesitant, then maybe not.

Also, check out the discussion forums on collegeconfidential.com. Lots of discussion there about pre-reads and schools where it means more than others.

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Ok wait. It is a two step process. The first step is passing the preread. Then, the next step, which not everyone who passes the preread gets to, is the coach needs to make an offer. An offer means the coach explicitly says "you have a spot on the team AND I will support your application with admissions ".

If you have an offer, it is almost certain your player will be admitted. In exchange for that certainty, the coach also wants certainty from the player. S/he wants to know that in exchange for almost guaranteed admission the player will attend.

You should ask questions like, how many players you've supported have not been admitted etc.

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Ok wait. It is a two step process. The first step is passing the preread. Then, the next step, which not everyone who passes the preread gets to, is the coach needs to make an offer. An offer means the coach explicitly says "you have a spot on the team AND I will support your application with admissions ".

If you have an offer, it is almost certain your player will be admitted. In exchange for that certainty, the coach also wants certainty from the player. S/he wants to know that in exchange for almost guaranteed admission the player will attend.

You should ask questions like, how many players you've supported have not been admitted etc.

It's usually the coach who delivers the results of the pre-read. So if he says "Admissions says you are a 'likely'", he usually follows it up with either 1) "I will support your application" or 2) "You don't need my support for your application". Either of these is good news.

If admissions doesn't say "likely", then the coach will follow with either "I want you, so I will support you" or "I want you, but I can't support you". The former is obviously good news. The latter is not good news, but he might offer additional information about what the admissions office would want to see from you (eg. score higher on the SAT, take a course at the college in the summer and get an A, etc).

If admissions says "unlikely", then that is obviously bad news. Could be truly that admissions doesn't think your academics will be strong enough, but it could also be the coach using it as an excuse to let you down because he wants other players more.

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If a coach has the ability to submit 50 prereads, as Middlebury's coach told parents at an ID clinic, and, say, 40 kids pass the preread, but he has only 6 spots to offer, it is clear he is not making offers to everyone who's passed the preread.

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Ok wait. It is a two step process. The first step is passing the preread. Then, the next step, which not everyone who passes the preread gets to, is the coach needs to make an offer. An offer means the coach explicitly says "you have a spot on the team AND I will support your application with admissions ".

If you have an offer, it is almost certain your player will be admitted. In exchange for that certainty, the coach also wants certainty from the player. S/he wants to know that in exchange for almost guaranteed admission the player will attend.

You should ask questions like, how many players you've supported have not been admitted etc.

Nope. Early admission application usually makes it a dine deal.

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If a coach has the ability to submit 50 prereads, as Middlebury's coach told parents at an ID clinic, and, say, 40 kids pass the preread, but he has only 6 spots to offer, it is clear he is not making offers to everyone who's passed the preread.

Yes. But he is then going to rank all of the likelies and then make offers starting from the top of the list. Once he has 6, he's going to tell the rest that he can't support them. Obviously I'm oversimplifying it, but that is essentially what happens.

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Nope. Early admission application usually makes it a dine deal.

Yes, once the coach gives the verbal, the player needs to apply Early Decision to show they are committed to coming. If they tell the coach they are applying ED and then don't, they will lose the coach's support and the spot.

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Follow-up

Just to clarify we have gotten 4 positive pre-reads back and 4 offers from coaches. One of the schools has already had a couple of commitments so it is apparent we were not the "top choice".

I appreciate all the insights.

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Yes. But he is then going to rank all of the likelies and then make offers starting from the top of the list. Once he has 6, he's going to tell the rest that he can't support them. Obviously I'm oversimplifying it, but that is essentially what happens.

In the ranking process, how strong the likely from admissions is will play a role. The whole recruiting class needs to average out to some standard, so if the top ranked player is lower academically, then the coach needs to balance the recruiting class with other players who might not be as strong soccer-wise but raise the academic average.