USSF shows it’s sexism & Carlos quits

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The way I understand it, the big difference is the payments from FIFA, no? FIFA payments are like 10x as much for the men vs. the women. I'm not sure that it is the responsibility of USSoccer to cover that gap.

It's more than that.

On the men's side all the players primary income is from their respective pro teams. Most of them get paid quite well. So their USMNT contracts have them only getting paid money from USSF when they actually get picked to show up to specific games. If they get hurt or don't get picked, the don't get a dime. If they don't make the world cup, they don't get paid.

On the women's side not all of them play pro and most of the ones that do aren't making a lot of money. So their USWNT contracts treat them as employees. They get paid whether or not they get picked for specific games. They continue to get paid if they get injured. They have health insurance. They get paid whether or not they qualify for the world cup. They even have their pro-salaries covered by USSF to help the struggling women's pro league out.

Without the different pay structures that have the women having far more of a safety net than the men, there is a good chance that there would be no USWNT right now, or at least not a decent one, as many of the women would have had to move on to different non-soccer careers to make a living.

And while the woman's side has a very strong following in the US, rivaling the means team. On the world stage the men draw far larger crowds, have far more TV and press coverage for their sponsors and compete in tournaments (as you noted) that pay the mens side far more.

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If the NBA were a Non-profit 501c3? 100%

Do you think NBA and WNBA should be paid the same...ignore their tax filing status? Btw....NBA like NFL has congresdional oversight...still not paid the same.

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Do you think NBA and WNBA should be paid the same...ignore their tax filing status? Btw....NBA like NFL has congresdional oversight...still not paid the same.

This lawsuit is not against MLS. It is against ussf for not complying with equal pay for equal work.

There are no women's teams in the NBA or the NFL do they could never pay them unequally.

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This lawsuit is not against MLS. It is against ussf for not complying with equal pay for equal work.

There are no women's teams in the NBA or the NFL do they could never pay them unequally.

It's not equal work.

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It's not equal work.

"Work" maybe in terms of # games or practices (honestly I don't even know). Revenues aren't even close, which is really what it's all about. More importantly it's a contract the women agreed to three years ago! If you want a new deal now, negotiate that. But you can't go back and say "Oh that wasn't fair."

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It's not equal work.

All the corporate sponsors disagree. Good luck finding any new ones that will agree you.

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If the NBA were a Non-profit 501c3? 100%

Answer the question. As they currently stand, should WNBA & NBA be paid the same?

You won’t answer the question because the answer is a resounding no.

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Answer the question. As they currently stand, should WNBA & NBA be paid the same?

You won’t answer the question because the answer is a resounding no.

The WBNA can not pay a woman less then a man, or s man less then a woman for doing equal work.

That goes for the the NBA and the ussf as well.

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All the corporate sponsors disagree. Good luck finding any new ones that will agree you.

It's not equal work. For example, look at concacaf worldcup qualifying.

The men's 2018 world cup concacaf qualifying had the men playing 16 games over several months with half the games requiring international travel.

The women's 2016 world cup concacaf qualifying involved 5 games over a single week with all the games being in texas.

You call that equal work?

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So a former uswnt player is pres now. Wonder what she will argue? Or will she just hand over the treasure chest.

Btw...wnt and mnt should play each other. Put all the speculation to rest.

So.... that was the dumbest comment I’ve seen this month. Congrats.

No one that understands sports and physiology is arguing that women can beat men at soccer. The argument is that they are both US National teams —- the pinnacle of development in their respective sports. They should both draw compensation that equates to being at the top of the heap.

The fact that the US women are consistently at the top of their sport while the US men are middle of the pack should bring their compensation closer, even though the men’s game generates more revenue.

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So.... that was the dumbest comment I’ve seen this month. Congrats.

No one that understands sports and physiology is arguing that women can beat men at soccer. The argument is that they are both US National teams —- the pinnacle of development in their respective sports. They should both draw compensation that equates to being at the top of the heap.

The fact that the US women are consistently at the top of their sport while the US men are middle of the pack should bring their compensation closer, even though the men’s game generates more revenue.

Disagree on the last line. Being at the pinnacle vs. being middle of the road should have no bearing on their compensation. Now, if there is a bonus structure for results, that would be the same but, now, likely only the women would be achieving them.

To me, the question comes on how players are compensated outside their USSF activities (i.e. games).

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The WBNA can not pay a woman less then a man, or s man less then a woman for doing equal work.

That goes for the the NBA and the ussf as well.

It’s not about equal work, it’s about revenue generated.

NBA revenue $7.4 billion
WNBA revenue $60 million

NBA viewership 15.1 m
WNBA viewership 231k

If a woman’s tennis match brings in more revenue than a male tennis match the females deserve to be paid more. Sports are a unique situation.

Everything else, mail carrier, physician, cook, equal pay for equal work should go without saying.

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The WBNA can not pay a woman less then a man, or s man less then a woman for doing equal work.

That goes for the the NBA and the ussf as well.

Still have not answered the question.

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It’s not about equal work, it’s about revenue generated.

NBA revenue $7.4 billion
WNBA revenue $60 million

NBA viewership 15.1 m
WNBA viewership 231k

If a woman’s tennis match brings in more revenue than a male tennis match the females deserve to be paid more. Sports are a unique situation.

Everything else, mail carrier, physician, cook, equal pay for equal work should go without saying.

The law suit was brought under the equal pay for equal work law so that is what it is about and it will be decided in court.

But ussf have already lost. Pretty sure every sponsor they have is horrified by the arguments being made as they should be. The ussf just alienated millions of customers. Where are they going to get sponsors? What company will touch that with a thousand foot pole?

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The law suit was brought under the equal pay for equal work law so that is what it is about and it will be decided in court.

But ussf have already lost. Pretty sure every sponsor they have is horrified by the arguments being made as they should be. The ussf just alienated millions of customers. Where are they going to get sponsors? What company will touch that with a thousand foot pole?

It's not equal work. Stop pretending it is.

For example, men's concacaf world cup qualifying had the men playing 16 games, half of which involved international travel, and the qualifying took several months.

The woman's concacaf world cup qualifying had the women playing 5 games in one week with all the games being at two stadiums in Texas.

It's simply not the same work.