u-20 WWC

[Unregistered]

Old argument. Time changes.

Thanks Mr. Cordeiro, homer! You tried to usurp the power and glory of the women's game and have been sent, reeling, back to earth after only one year. Thankfully, you will not be allowed to pillage and plunder the women's game as your organization has done to the men. Focus limited resources on finding talent not running national leagues for profit.

[Unregistered]

We're all curious to hear your picks for the best U20 players? Sounds like you've been watching this group for 5+ years so it should be good...

I am not obsessed with who "the best" is or is not. the point is we have failed to put a coherent team on the field in the last U17 and U20 WC. Instead of focusing on that, we still seem to want to waste time discussing who is the best.

Every player in that squad has strengths and weaknesses. Every one is a talented player. In almost all cases, a style of play or system could be implemented to showcase them at their best. The fact that the way we currently play suits Smith vs others does not make her the best player and if paying that way does not lead to team success, then why are we continuing to do it ?

[Unregistered]

Nonsense. Only one year and a bigger dent than anyone would have imagined. Taking youth soccer back. Thankfully, the ones holding it back clearly showed their faces.

Thanks Mr. Cordeiro, homer! You tried to usurp the power and glory of the women's game and have been sent, reeling, back to earth after only one year. Thankfully, you will not be allowed to pillage and plunder the women's game as your organization has done to the men. Focus limited resources on finding talent not running national leagues for profit.

[Unregistered]

Talk about hysteria.

"Wild banshees" Good lord.

Yes, they came in as the oversight for youth soccer and the National Teams. That's what they are. So, they wanted to put a plan in to reach everyone and into a single pool and system to evaluate each player.

ECNL, as it their right, didn't want to give up any real estate. That's fine. They are a private entity owned by clubs and those clubs didn't want to give in. All cool. They need to run their business as best they can so they can make money.

But, you can't walk away and then complain about what was left after. USSF will continue to find a way to improve us on a National level. Each of the private leagues will continue to try to find a way to improve their balance sheets. All good, no need for the hysteria.

and they came in AFTER watching the ECNL do its thing for what 7 years ?

[Unregistered]

No, they put in a system to grab some of US Soccer's cash flow. If they were really concerned about developing quality players, they would have limited their invites to quality players. They took anyone willing to write a check.

Stop with the falsehoods. the CLUBS took said people who wrote the checks. The mega ECNL CLubs can however keep more of said checks by doing their own thing.

I think the USSF are 100 pct guilty of not doing enough due diligence on how many truly elite players there were out there, but surely that reflects even more poorly on the ECNL, given they had a team per age group and many more clubs .

its almost like the USSK actually believed the ECNL propaganda about quality only to find out in year one that its a lie.

We have elite PAYERS not PLAYERS #amazingyoungaccountants #provencheckbook #gamechanger$

[Unregistered]

Stop with the falsehoods. the CLUBS took said people who wrote the checks. The mega ECNL CLubs can however keep more of said checks by doing their own thing.

I think the USSF are 100 pct guilty of not doing enough due diligence on how many truly elite players there were out there, but surely that reflects even more poorly on the ECNL, given they had a team per age group and many more clubs .

its almost like the USSK actually believed the ECNL propaganda about quality only to find out in year one that its a lie.

We have elite PAYERS not PLAYERS #amazingyoungaccountants #provencheckbook #gamechanger$

There are players in DA system that couldn't make ECNL rosters. Lots of them. 3rd team level players. But because they needed 65 teams, USSF decided that they were all "elite." Ha ha.

[Unregistered]

There are players in DA system that couldn't make ECNL rosters. Lots of them. 3rd team level players. But because they needed 65 teams, USSF decided that they were all "elite." Ha ha.

What does either league have to do with "elite" players. They are both about elite players WITH elite bank accounts.

[Unregistered]

and they came in AFTER watching the ECNL do its thing for what 7 years ?

There are things to like and dislike about both the DA. and ECNL. The worst is both leagues won't be what the ECNL was with the split in talent. You can argue that all day long, but before you jump on the DA bandwagon look at this.
This past year 6 u17 NT players (all DA ) tore their ACLs. At the last U17 world cup 4 players from the then U15 NT were called up to play with the U17s. ALL FOUR, tore their ACLs this year in NON contact incidents, which points to over use. These players are managed by the NT medical staff, and are given strict training, recovery guidelines to follow. You can say what you want, but that isn't a coincidence. If you trust that these clowns, and I mean ECNL or DA Know or do what's best for your kid, you are sadly mistaken.

[Unregistered]

There are things to like and dislike about both the DA. and ECNL. The worst is both leagues won't be what the ECNL was with the split in talent. You can argue that all day long, but before you jump on the DA bandwagon look at this.
This past year 6 u17 NT players (all DA ) tore their ACLs. At the last U17 world cup 4 players from the then U15 NT were called up to play with the U17s. ALL FOUR, tore their ACLs this year in NON contact incidents, which points to over use. These players are managed by the NT medical staff, and are given strict training, recovery guidelines to follow. You can say what you want, but that isn't a coincidence. If you trust that these clowns, and I mean ECNL or DA Know or do what's best for your kid, you are sadly mistaken.

If those numbers are true it is alarming! That is way too many.

[Unregistered]

Nonsense. Only one year and a bigger dent than anyone would have imagined. Taking youth soccer back. Thankfully, the ones holding it back clearly showed their faces.

Yeah, failing at U17 and U20 already ..... nice job!

[Unregistered]

and they came in AFTER watching the ECNL do its thing for what 7 years ?

And DA for what, 10 years+?

[Unregistered]

and they came in AFTER watching the ECNL do its thing for what 7 years ?

Yeah, USWNT has been abysmal for the past 7 .... good work, I love your argument. How are the men doing?

[Unregistered]

There are things to like and dislike about both the DA. and ECNL. The worst is both leagues won't be what the ECNL was with the split in talent. You can argue that all day long, but before you jump on the DA bandwagon look at this.
This past year 6 u17 NT players (all DA ) tore their ACLs. At the last U17 world cup 4 players from the then U15 NT were called up to play with the U17s. ALL FOUR, tore their ACLs this year in NON contact incidents, which points to over use. These players are managed by the NT medical staff, and are given strict training, recovery guidelines to follow. You can say what you want, but that isn't a coincidence. If you trust that these clowns, and I mean ECNL or DA Know or do what's best for your kid, you are sadly mistaken.

I am on the soccer bandwagon. Something that people in these debates seem to think does not exist. The entire structure is flawed. There is no such thing as a GDA player yet - just kids who have played one yer in that system. Most are still ECNL (&other) trained and developed.

My daughter IS a YNT player so i can say that your comments about " These players are managed by the NT medical staff, and are given strict training, recovery guidelines to follow" is either done on a player by player basis or not true.

I dont like the ACL argument, but either way, neither league as constructed is the solution. To see people debating which is the lesser of 2 evils is a sad indictment of where parents hard earned cash goes.

for me its very simple

1. The ECNL was not achieving the goals the USSF wanted
2. as a privately held group, the ECNL was/is under nbo obligation to do so
3. the culture of soccer in teh USA does not demand excellence
4. USSF decided to address the fact that players were not meeting their goals/standards
5. for a variety of reasons, they chose to address it by building a big league on the back of the existing Club infrastructure
6. Year one was a mixed bag
7. The game is now a political football that will be kicked back and forth
8. the kids lose out in the end - how much they really lose out is again back to culture. Im not talking about pro contracts etc. Just getting the most out of their talents in the game. Given the limited pro opportunities, the drive to get better is personal.

To me, there is no winner in this GDA ECNL thing - looking at results or quality of Clubs on both sides is pointless. All it says is that we are in a fragmented world that serves no common good and there is no single party with enough credibility to day - "come on guys' lets sit done and figure this out together "

[Unregistered]

And DA for what, 10 years+?

I will not compare the Boys to the girls ...

[Unregistered]

Yeah, USWNT has been abysmal for the past 7 .... good work, I love your argument. How are the men doing?

what argument? Unless you are confusing me with someone else, I have not made one. I gave my PoV @ 1144 @1145 told you that the boys have nothing to do with the girls. Pointless trying to compare 2 games at completely different points on the evolutionary cycle