Japan u20 beat USA u20 in women’s world cup

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Culture is a problem, but another huge problem, especially with girls is the selfish attitude of these rich entitled kids that make up the bulk of club soccer. These kids are used to everything being about them, the play is very selfish and clubs are not even trying to break that. Parents want their kiss to play selfish, they pay the clubs. Selfish play gets you noticed, keeps the college's looking g, but never allows the team development to beat countries that play better as a team, even with lesser athletes. I want to throw up Everytime I see these prep school, trust fund kids on (enter club name here) plow throw the defense of weak teams to score while teammates stand wide open. Until clubs grow balls and stop this type of play, we will never be what we should be

This should absolutely be responded to. (A different poster said it shouldn’t) All of my kids (boys and girls) played club and in every case the coach’s favorites got the minutes and the nods regardless of their skill set or game decisions. The most frustrating thing to watch is the kid who never gives up the ball, dribbling into another loss of possession, and the coach doesn’t make a correction. Ever. All of the players see this. The younger kids will complain about this. The older they get, the more they realize that is just the way it works. They are desensitized. What message are we sending?? (The second most frustrating thing is the CB who just runs on the ball and kicks it as hard as they can every time it comes near them)
With regards to money, in club and prep schools, too many people “donate” their kid’s time on the field. Public HS has fewer to choose from so the better players play. The surrounding cast is comprised of a smaller potatoes pecking order; who runs the booster club, who is friends with the coach or who has a sibling that played.
Lastly, assists (who created that goal opportunity) or clean sheets (defense-not just the keeper) are never given the recognition they deserve. Defense still wins championships. The US culture as a whole doesn’t value that. It’s all about who put the ball in the net, not about the entire process that got to that point.
Rant over.

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This should absolutely be responded to. (A different poster said it shouldn’t) All of my kids (boys and girls) played club and in every case the coach’s favorites got the minutes and the nods regardless of their skill set or game decisions. The most frustrating thing to watch is the kid who never gives up the ball, dribbling into another loss of possession, and the coach doesn’t make a correction. Ever. All of the players see this. The younger kids will complain about this. The older they get, the more they realize that is just the way it works. They are desensitized. What message are we sending?? (The second most frustrating thing is the CB who just runs on the ball and kicks it as hard as they can every time it comes near them)
With regards to money, in club and prep schools, too many people “donate” their kid’s time on the field. Public HS has fewer to choose from so the better players play. The surrounding cast is comprised of a smaller potatoes pecking order; who runs the booster club, who is friends with the coach or who has a sibling that played.
Lastly, assists (who created that goal opportunity) or clean sheets (defense-not just the keeper) are never given the recognition they deserve. Defense still wins championships. The US culture as a whole doesn’t value that. It’s all about who put the ball in the net, not about the entire process that got to that point.
Rant over.

A) You managed to rant and not blame rich white elitists.

B) Sounds like you were with the wrong club(s)

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A) You managed to rant and not blame rich white elitists.

B) Sounds like you were with the wrong club(s)

The rich prima donna’s are the ones who don’t have to pass because Daddy’s money helped fund the facility. They know they won’t get subbed out so why not make it all about me.

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The rich prima donna’s are the ones who don’t have to pass because Daddy’s money helped fund the facility. They know they won’t get subbed out so why not make it all about me.

Funny, and not something I have seen.

Worst player on our team who worked the least hardest, missed games, and had by far the richest family who flaunted their wealth barely played. Complaints upon complaints to the other parents, coach, DoC, all the way up to club leadership ended with the same message: She just isn't good enough to miss time and lack effort to take minutes away from someone else.

The few kids who were of most modest means, had to drive vs. travel to some tournaments and missed most team gatherings due to $$ played a ton (one barely ever came off and honestly, she wasn't good enough to take those minutes).

Most of the greatest players we have seen who play the most are nowhere near the richest.

This is an example of hysteria commentary. Are there examples of people buying their way into soccer (and skiing and piano and colleges and jobs)? Yes. Is it prevalent as it's perceived to be? No.

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This should absolutely be responded to. (A different poster said it shouldn’t) All of my kids (boys and girls) played club and in every case the coach’s favorites got the minutes and the nods regardless of their skill set or game decisions. The most frustrating thing to watch is the kid who never gives up the ball, dribbling into another loss of possession, and the coach doesn’t make a correction. Ever. All of the players see this. The younger kids will complain about this. The older they get, the more they realize that is just the way it works. They are desensitized. What message are we sending?? (The second most frustrating thing is the CB who just runs on the ball and kicks it as hard as they can every time it comes near them)
With regards to money, in club and prep schools, too many people “donate” their kid’s time on the field. Public HS has fewer to choose from so the better players play. The surrounding cast is comprised of a smaller potatoes pecking order; who runs the booster club, who is friends with the coach or who has a sibling that played.
Lastly, assists (who created that goal opportunity) or clean sheets (defense-not just the keeper) are never given the recognition they deserve. Defense still wins championships. The US culture as a whole doesn’t value that. It’s all about who put the ball in the net, not about the entire process that got to that point.
Rant over.

I second this to the point of being very guilty of telling my youngest two to stop passing (at any cost) to the player(s) that consistently turn the ball over. My stance has been if putting your head down and dribbling and turning the ball over is an important sign that you have confidence and are learning to beat opponents 1v1 then you need to do it as well. As always, your options in order are 1.) SHOOT (in range) 2.) Make the open pass to a player [that you can count on to do the right thing] and look for the ball back ("[that you can count on to do the right thing]" recently added) and 3.) Take space if you have it. I am coming to the realization that if you are a team player on a team of individuals, then you are really in the wrong place as you will be viewed as a non-confident player with no technical ability. The lack of combination play at some of the clubs we have been at is very disheartening and the "reward" for these teams are the losses and really poor play against any teams that are close in athletic ability. It's a clear sign that they are doing something very wrong when they can't compete against teams equal in speed and athleticism.

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I second this to the point of being very guilty of telling my youngest two to stop passing (at any cost) to the player(s) that consistently turn the ball over. My stance has been if putting your head down and dribbling and turning the ball over is an important sign that you have confidence and are learning to beat opponents 1v1 then you need to do it as well. As always, your options in order are 1.) SHOOT (in range) 2.) Make the open pass to a player [that you can count on to do the right thing] and look for the ball back ("[that you can count on to do the right thing]" recently added) and 3.) Take space if you have it. I am coming to the realization that if you are a team player on a team of individuals, then you are really in the wrong place as you will be viewed as a non-confident player with no technical ability. The lack of combination play at some of the clubs we have been at is very disheartening and the "reward" for these teams are the losses and really poor play against any teams that are close in athletic ability. It's a clear sign that they are doing something very wrong when they can't compete against teams equal in speed and athleticism.

You shouldn't be telling your youngest anything. You, presumably, pay a shlt-ton of money for someone to coach your kid. Let them.

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You shouldn't be telling your youngest anything. You, presumably, pay a shlt-ton of money for someone to coach your kid. Let them.

Unfortunately many coaches don't say anything to these selfish players. My D's team had a new player this year that would try and take on 3 players, and repeatedly lose possession. All the while her Dad is yelling "take it yourself" on the sidelines. She was a poison to the team and the coach NEVER addressed it.

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You shouldn't be telling your youngest anything. You, presumably, pay a shlt-ton of money for someone to coach your kid. Let them.

Ah, there is the dilemma ..... were they being taught the right thing and allowed to make similar mistakes (over and over and over again) with similar feedback from their coach, then I would shut up but they are not and my kids are not capable yet of separating the shyte from the shinola. If your coach preaches one thing but rewards another (especially when the coach has different attitudes and tolerances between different players), then, as a parent, you should explain to your kid the difference (and perhaps look for a better place to play in future years). Often my kids have had coaches that praised possession, width, and combination play in practice, but, in games, the same kids that try to take Route 1 every time down the middle, solo (at the expense of the team, every single time) and fly into endless 1v4s or 2v5s seem to get rewarded with lots of playing time. Seems to me that the coach sees this behavior (or the longball and fly techniques) as the way to play worthy of additional playing time. If that is what my kid needs to work on then they should do it during games like the superstars do regardless of the effect on the team. If it is good enough for a CDM to do, then why not let the CB's do it? Same effect in the long run but better practice for my kid's 1v1 skills. Is it really deemed weak to complete a 1-2 in soccer nowadays .... let alone 2, 3, or 4 of them in one possession? Do any kids run overlaps anymore? In 4-back sets why do most OB's sit back and wait for the ball when their team has possession? Is it because they know that their mids and forwards are pinheads that won't give the ball up or because they don't know any better (or both)? I wonder if it is a chicken-and-egg thing why so many teams end up with insufficient attacking numbers on the final third ..... a.) have the other players given up and refuse to get forward since they know they aren't going to get the ball from very selfish "offensive" players, b.) does the team kick the ball 60 yards every time and not get a chance to get forward, or c.) the back 5 or 6 players do not know the game and think in terms of football that they are the defensive team and have no offensive responsibilities? In any case, I am the paying customer and I want my kids to develop too. So, if the coach only cares about his darling top 2 or 3 then I need to advocate for and instruct my child (and find a better and more suitable place for them to play).

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No, I most certainly am not. It doesn't matter what the "culture" is (although I am telling you, even discounting how many millions of soccer players we have (as proven by registration numbers), we have more recent soccer-loving immigrants in the USA than Belgium has people).

What matters is what coaches/clubs think and then do every morning. At La Masia, it's "what can I do to eventually make these youth players world-class quality so that we can sell them for millions once they turn 18?" They don't care if the youths take a while to figure out how to play out of the back (referencing another recent thread here). And everything they do that day - and every day thereafter - is dedicated towards that end.

In contrast, at GPS, it's "how can I convince more parents to sign up?" Which really means getting gotsoccer points by winning at all costs at all age groups right now. Or perhaps it's "maybe we should run another quarter-million dollar tournament?"

Incentives matter. People and organizations do what makes them money. This is not hard to figure out.

- a coach (who is frustrated by the whole thing, but who hasn't given up yet)

So you dont think that culutre helps dictate what the incentives are , both financial and otherwise. You think that Messi dribbled a ball as a kid because some coach initially told him to or because he saw $$ in it? I respectfully disagree. The culture helps mold the structure.

I am not arguing about what the incentives are in the USA. Its clear what they are, but the culture has helped to dictate that. Simply having more "soccer minded" immigrants in the USA will not change that culture unless they are empowered to do so. Im sure many of the people you speak of are excluded from the country club $$ culture that exists now.

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CA was already a world ahead. One year of GDA didn't make the play faster.

Not talking about just ca teams but teams out in showcase in ca. Gda championships and games better than ecnl and usys top games. No comparison.

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They also developed the infrastructure and quality management/coaching, top to bottom, to make it happen. USSF elected a Goldman Saks millionaire who never played soccer for president.

Which shows they are only interested in the investment of the us soccer treasure chest. It is not about the game. It is about the returns on the $$...our taxpayer infused money. No better than fifa.

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Not talking about just ca teams but teams out in showcase in ca. Gda championships and games better than ecnl and usys top games. No comparison.

Yeah, LISC vs Empire must have been a kickball dream!

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Not talking about just ca teams but teams out in showcase in ca. Gda championships and games better than ecnl and usys top games. No comparison.

Understood. Apologies for misunderstanding

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So you dont think that culutre helps dictate what the incentives are , both financial and otherwise. You think that Messi dribbled a ball as a kid because some coach initially told him to or because he saw $$ in it? I respectfully disagree. The culture helps mold the structure.

I am not arguing about what the incentives are in the USA. Its clear what they are, but the culture has helped to dictate that. Simply having more "soccer minded" immigrants in the USA will not change that culture unless they are empowered to do so. Im sure many of the people you speak of are excluded from the country club $$ culture that exists now.

Please don't put ridiculous words in my mouth. I never said anything about 8 year olds making decisions in a game according to their financial incentives.

It is the COACH'S incentives that matter. Messi's youth coaches were incentivized to make sure he was a great player by the time he was old enough to make the senior team. That means teaching about soccer technique AND tactics AND strategy, and BEING PATIENT, and not sacrificing long-term player development for short-term revenue.

Players learn what coaches teach them. Coaches teach according to the financial incentives of the club (and, sadly, according to their own financial incentives, which include club-hopping). American club incentives are short-term win-at-all-costs vs long-term player development.

This should not be hard to understand. And it's not just me saying this:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...814-story.html (somebody posted this to the other U20 WC thread, I think)

http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/u20...#post-37004432

http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/u20...#post-37005889

I know you don't have to believe me (this is an anonymous forum, after all), but despite my personally coaching players at a small club who ended up as D1 starters, it is incredibly frustrating to have players you can see developing moved by their parents to more gotsoccer-points-focused mega-clubs - and to have those players tell me, when I see them again in an older age group, how they now realize that their skills have backslid.

And even if you don't believe these anecdotal stories (and why should you?), the evidence is right in front of you if you go back and watch (Fox Sports app) the US/Spain match. It is astonishing that our players had such awful technique and tactics, especially in midfield, having been drawn from a player pool that is as large as that of the entire rest of the world, COMBINED. Somebody in one of the above comments said Spain only have 20,000 female players registered. GPS alone has more.

As regards immigrants, they have their own leagues, clubs, and pickup games (all of which I have played in at one point or another). So there are places for them to play, and improve, but I believe we both agree that they are cut out of the club-owned development pyramid.

- a coach

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Please don't put ridiculous words in my mouth. I never said anything about 8 year olds making decisions in a game according to their financial incentives.

It is the COACH'S incentives that matter. Messi's youth coaches were incentivized to make sure he was a great player by the time he was old enough to make the senior team. That means teaching about soccer technique AND tactics AND strategy, and BEING PATIENT, and not sacrificing long-term player development for short-term revenue.

Players learn what coaches teach them. Coaches teach according to the financial incentives of the club (and, sadly, according to their own financial incentives, which include club-hopping). American club incentives are short-term win-at-all-costs vs long-term player development.

This should not be hard to understand. And it's not just me saying this:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...814-story.html (somebody posted this to the other U20 WC thread, I think)

http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/u20...#post-37004432

http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/u20...#post-37005889

I know you don't have to believe me (this is an anonymous forum, after all), but despite my personally coaching players at a small club who ended up as D1 starters, it is incredibly frustrating to have players you can see developing moved by their parents to more gotsoccer-points-focused mega-clubs - and to have those players tell me, when I see them again in an older age group, how they now realize that their skills have backslid.

And even if you don't believe these anecdotal stories (and why should you?), the evidence is right in front of you if you go back and watch (Fox Sports app) the US/Spain match. It is astonishing that our players had such awful technique and tactics, especially in midfield, having been drawn from a player pool that is as large as that of the entire rest of the world, COMBINED. Somebody in one of the above comments said Spain only have 20,000 female players registered. GPS alone has more.

As regards immigrants, they have their own leagues, clubs, and pickup games (all of which I have played in at one point or another). So there are places for them to play, and improve, but I believe we both agree that they are cut out of the club-owned development pyramid.

- a coach

and what about BEFORE he had a coach ?