2018 Boys Soccer Verbal Commitments

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Good piece on merit aid Why It’s So Hard to Calculate What You’ll Pay for College https://nyti.ms/2Dli4Nv

That article is pretty much right on target. Everyone should read it carefully. What it basically says is admissions departments from lower ranked schools will use the merit money to sweeten the pot to steal desirable candidates away from higher ranked schools. The key piece of information that always seems to get swept under the rug on this site is that these aren't the run of the mill candidates the schools are doing this for but rather candidates that are good solid candidates at the "better" schools that they use merit money to try and entice into admitting at their "lower" ranked school. Their example is a school like Simmons using price points to try and steal candidates away from schools like Wellesley. It's really nothing but old argument about being a "buyer" looking at the "small pond" that historically gets shouted down here. The key point is you have to be in the buyer position in order for this to work, which means that your kid is somewhat of a commodity and sought after. In other words they are not just an average prospect, they are A-typical from the type of prospect the school normally gets. In terms of soccer, think All American level prospect going D3. It most definitely isn't a bottom or even middle of the starting rotation level player. Where this argument always gets shouted down here is with the logic that if you have the means to send your kid to Wellesley (which most do) and they can get in and want to go, why would anyone let money change the situation? The way that logic has always been applied to soccer on this site is if your kid can get into a Williams or MIT why would you let a soccer scholarship to a Patriot League school or some other close D1 equivalent change the decision. It's been the classic debate here for years with compelling arguments on both sides. The critical point that cannot be underestimated however is the role of being a buyer and what it takes to be in that position. Most families are not going to be in the position because their kids don't bring enough to the table either academically or athletically so it's not really a viable play unless they really start to drop down into the secondary or tertiary tiers.

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Read the NYTimes article posted above. It's very consistent with what I've seen with two kids, one not an athlete. Some schools are generous with merit, some less so. But most importantly it depends on how much the school wants you. If your stats are way above their typical applicant they'll almost always be VERY generous. Average=ok money, below average=hardly any. You can use net price calculators or other tools to give you an idea, but you never really know until their package comes across your desk. They have to give more discounts because 1) most are cost prohibitive to many applicants 2) they have to keep drawing good students to keep their stats up high and compete with the many other schools out there 3)they have to stay financially competitive with state schools.

Hope that you realize that your logic flies in the face of the prevailing logic on this site. The crowd here would never give up an admission to a school like MIT to get merit money at a school like John Hopkins. If they did then it would completely eviscerate their argument against taking a soccer scholarship at a place like Holy Cross over a place like Brandeis.

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Hope that you realize that your logic flies in the face of the prevailing logic on this site. The crowd here would never give up an admission to a school like MIT to get merit money at a school like John Hopkins. If they did then it would completely eviscerate their argument against taking a soccer scholarship at a place like Holy Cross over a place like Brandeis.

"Logic" indeed. I just try to present facts and if the resident loons accept it or not isn't my problem. - OP

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Here are the top tier D3. Which ones do and do not give merit money?

Amherst College Amherst MA
Bates College Lewiston ME
Bowdoin College Brunswick ME
California Institute of Technology Pasdena CA
Carleton College Northfield MN
Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Colleges Claremont CA
Colby College Waterville ME
Emory University Atlanta GA
Haverford College Haverford PA
Johns Hopkins University Baltimore MD
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge MA
Middlebury College Middlebury VT
New York University New York NY
Pomona-Pitzer Colleges Claremont CA
Swarthmore College Swarthmore PA
Tufts University Medford MA
University of Chicago Chicago IL
Vassar College Poughkeepsie NY
Washington and Lee University Lexington VA
Washington University (Missouri) St. Louis MO
Wellesley College Wellesley MA
Wesleyan University (Connecticut) Middletown CT
Williams College Williamstown MA

You left out quite a few, especially from the Midwest....Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa, Pennsylvania, etc

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Here are the top tier D3. Which ones do and do not give merit money?

Amherst College Amherst MA
Bates College Lewiston ME
Bowdoin College Brunswick ME
California Institute of Technology Pasdena CA
Carleton College Northfield MN
Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Colleges Claremont CA
Colby College Waterville ME
Emory University Atlanta GA
Haverford College Haverford PA
Johns Hopkins University Baltimore MD
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge MA
Middlebury College Middlebury VT
New York University New York NY
Pomona-Pitzer Colleges Claremont CA
Swarthmore College Swarthmore PA
Tufts University Medford MA
University of Chicago Chicago IL
Vassar College Poughkeepsie NY
Washington and Lee University Lexington VA
Washington University (Missouri) St. Louis MO
Wellesley College Wellesley MA
Wesleyan University (Connecticut) Middletown CT
Williams College Williamstown MA

You left out quite a few, esp from MN, OH, IA, PA, etc

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That article is pretty much right on target. Everyone should read it carefully. What it basically says is admissions departments from lower ranked schools will use the merit money to sweeten the pot to steal desirable candidates away from higher ranked schools. The key piece of information that always seems to get swept under the rug on this site is that these aren't the run of the mill candidates the schools are doing this for but rather candidates that are good solid candidates at the "better" schools that they use merit money to try and entice into admitting at their "lower" ranked school. Their example is a school like Simmons using price points to try and steal candidates away from schools like Wellesley. It's really nothing but old argument about being a "buyer" looking at the "small pond" that historically gets shouted down here. The key point is you have to be in the buyer position in order for this to work, which means that your kid is somewhat of a commodity and sought after. In other words they are not just an average prospect, they are A-typical from the type of prospect the school normally gets. In terms of soccer, think All American level prospect going D3. It most definitely isn't a bottom or even middle of the starting rotation level player. Where this argument always gets shouted down here is with the logic that if you have the means to send your kid to Wellesley (which most do) and they can get in and want to go, why would anyone let money change the situation? The way that logic has always been applied to soccer on this site is if your kid can get into a Williams or MIT why would you let a soccer scholarship to a Patriot League school or some other close D1 equivalent change the decision. It's been the classic debate here for years with compelling arguments on both sides. The critical point that cannot be underestimated however is the role of being a buyer and what it takes to be in that position. Most families are not going to be in the position because their kids don't bring enough to the table either academically or athletically so it's not really a viable play unless they really start to drop down into the secondary or tertiary tiers.

BTNT, please go away. You are such a liar and drama queen.

NO ONE in the history of TS has said they would turn down merit money for Hopkins to attend MIT. NO ONE.

And the Patriot League example ALWAYS has been described as a close call.

Simmons versus Wellesley is a different story.

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That article is pretty much right on target. Everyone should read it carefully. What it basically says is admissions departments from lower ranked schools will use the merit money to sweeten the pot to steal desirable candidates away from higher ranked schools. The key piece of information that always seems to get swept under the rug on this site is that these aren't the run of the mill candidates the schools are doing this for but rather candidates that are good solid candidates at the "better" schools that they use merit money to try and entice into admitting at their "lower" ranked school. Their example is a school like Simmons using price points to try and steal candidates away from schools like Wellesley. It's really nothing but old argument about being a "buyer" looking at the "small pond" that historically gets shouted down here. The key point is you have to be in the buyer position in order for this to work, which means that your kid is somewhat of a commodity and sought after. In other words they are not just an average prospect, they are A-typical from the type of prospect the school normally gets. In terms of soccer, think All American level prospect going D3. It most definitely isn't a bottom or even middle of the starting rotation level player. Where this argument always gets shouted down here is with the logic that if you have the means to send your kid to Wellesley (which most do) and they can get in and want to go, why would anyone let money change the situation? The way that logic has always been applied to soccer on this site is if your kid can get into a Williams or MIT why would you let a soccer scholarship to a Patriot League school or some other close D1 equivalent change the decision. It's been the classic debate here for years with compelling arguments on both sides. The critical point that cannot be underestimated however is the role of being a buyer and what it takes to be in that position. Most families are not going to be in the position because their kids don't bring enough to the table either academically or athletically so it's not really a viable play unless they really start to drop down into the secondary or tertiary tiers.

LOL. You act like you are the only person who has ever gone through the recruitment and/or college process. This is Massachusetts, after all. I'd guess more than a couple of folks have a little savvy.

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LOL. You act like you are the only person who has ever gone through the recruitment and/or college process. This is Massachusetts, after all. I'd guess more than a couple of folks have a little savvy.

You can B&M all that you like but the basic thing that you in particular always seem to choke on is the concept that there are kids out there that bring more to the table than yours and that the world doesn't parcel out opportunities based upon how much money you spend but rather how much talent is present.

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BTNT, please go away. You are such a liar and drama queen.

NO ONE in the history of TS has said they would turn down merit money for Hopkins to attend MIT. NO ONE.

And the Patriot League example ALWAYS has been described as a close call.

Simmons versus Wellesley is a different story.

Lol. When you spent your entire adult life worrying about brand labels this is a really big concession and a lot of revisionist history.

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Lol. When you spent your entire adult life worrying about brand labels this is a really big concession and a lot of revisionist history.

Really, BTNT? Please pull up the posts saying ANYONE turned down merit money from Hopkins to go to MIT. Shows just how little you know. Hopkins is a PEER to MIT. Full stop.

And of course you're in to "brands" until one of your kids disappoints you. Then you relegate them to the equivalent of Siberia. Sweet. Great Dad.

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You can B&M all that you like but the basic thing that you in particular always seem to choke on is the concept that there are kids out there that bring more to the table than yours and that the world doesn't parcel out opportunities based upon how much money you spend but rather how much talent is present.

LOL, BTNT. Most parents, including myself, are quite comfortable and proud about what their kids "bring to the table." You are the one who insists that they shouldn't be. You insist that they SHOULD BE jealous when that is the furthest thing from their minds. Is there a more neurotic, insecure person on the planet than you? The son of Tom Heinsohn is a malignant star on TS, spending year after year making sure an anonymous parent doesn't spend a single second inappropriately feeling good about his or her kid.

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The really funny thing about this but is he never ever fails to take the bait. Jump fishy

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The really funny thing about this but is he never ever fails to take the bait. Jump fishy

Your Dad must be so proud that you are the owner of a bait and tackle shop. Incredible legacy you've established. Well played.

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Here are the top tier D3. Which ones do and do not give merit money?

Amherst College Amherst MA
Bates College Lewiston ME
Bowdoin College Brunswick ME
California Institute of Technology Pasdena CA
Carleton College Northfield MN
Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Colleges Claremont CA
Colby College Waterville ME
Emory University Atlanta GA
Haverford College Haverford PA
Johns Hopkins University Baltimore MD
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge MA
Middlebury College Middlebury VT
New York University New York NY
Pomona-Pitzer Colleges Claremont CA
Swarthmore College Swarthmore PA
Tufts University Medford MA
University of Chicago Chicago IL
Vassar College Poughkeepsie NY
Washington and Lee University Lexington VA
Washington University (Missouri) St. Louis MO
Wellesley College Wellesley MA
Wesleyan University (Connecticut) Middletown CT
Williams College Williamstown MA

I'm not going to check each of these colleges' web sites, but I did go through the UAA schools, and with the exception of CMU, they seem to offer merit aid.

https://www.brandeis.edu/student-fin...ips/merit.html
https://case.edu/admission/tuition-aid/scholarships
https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.e...t-scholarships
http://apply.emory.edu/apply/meritbased.php
https://www.nyu.edu/admissions/finan...nd-grants.html
https://enrollment.rochester.edu/fin...larships/#tab2
https://admissions.wustl.edu/financi...c-scholarships

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D1

Christian Garner, NEFC, Brooks, BC
Tyler Stott, NEFC, Westboro, BC
Gregorio Barilla, NEFC, Worcester Academy, BC
Nate Cole, GPS, Worcester Academy, BU
James Swomley, Bolts, Newton, Brown
Jared Bull, Bolts, Algonquin, Bryant
Adam Kulick, GPS, Cambridge, Bucknell
Andrew Stevens, GPS, Brooks, Columbia
Vittorio Luzio, Bolts, Columbia
Andrew Collari, NEFC, Worcester Academy, CCSU
Cristian Suvak, Aztecs, Winchester, UConn
Ohad Yahalom, Revs, Dartmouth
Ahira Simons, Black Rock FC, Berkshire, Dartmouth
Marcelo Lage, Bolts, Brooks, GW
Kamar Nuhiu, Oakwood, Agawam, Hartford
Ben Bryant, Bolts, R&L, Harvard
Gunnar Siegel, Bolts, High Point
Nic Andre, Bolts, HC
John Siracuse, Bolts, HC
Alec Szwarcewicz, GPS, Newton South, HC
James McPherson, Aztecs, Danvers, UMass
Nathaniel Cardozo, GPS, Oliver Ames, UMass
Graham Brenner, Worcester Academy, UMass*
Laszlo Dorogi, Revs, Wachusett, UML
Tyler Mann, NEFC, King Phillips, UML
James McCully, Liverpool FC, Nauset, UNH
Andrew Karalis, Bolts, Belmont, Northeastern
Matt Leigh, NEFC, St Marks, Penn
Georges El Khoury, Seacoast, Sharon, Portland
Ryan Clare, Wellesley, Princeton
Dylan Curran, Bolts, Jamaica Plain, PC
Andrew Chisolm, Bayside Bolts, PC
Ackim Mpofu, transfer, Northeastern, St Johns
Joe Morrison, Bolts, UVM
Peter Dakoyannis, Seacoast, Newton, UVM
Amos Shapiro Thompson, UVA
Connor Haskell, GPS, Xavier


D2
Connor Willis, MPS, North Andover, Assumption
John Aguiar, GPS, Bishop Connelly, Assumption
Nick Bernardino, GPS, Framingham, Merrimack
Connor Mullins, Liverpool FC, King Philip, Merrimack
Michael Budrewicz, Aztecs, Masconomet, St. Anselm's
Chris Lawrence, Liverpool FC, Oliver Ames, St. Michael’s


D3

Mitch Collins, Aztecs, SJP, Babson
William Talleri, NEFC, SJP, Babson
Rob Dunne, Abbey Villa, Medway, Babson
Matthew Uek, Bolts, R&L, Bowdoin
Isaac Mukala, Lawrence Academy, Brandeis
Skylah Dias, GPS, Case, Brandeis
Jared Wood, Aztecs, Waring School, Colby
Cole Hay, Aztecs, Manchester, Hobart
Steven Yakita, Aztecs, SJP, Franklin & Marshall
Ethan Craven, Liverpool FC, Nauset, Keene St
Vance Bates, Liverpool FC, Nauset, Keene St
Aidan Schoellkopf, NMH, Kenyon
Andre Dumitrescu, Bolts, Philips Andover, MIT
Austin Ward, Aztecs, North Andover, SJC
Jay Poskitt, Aztecs, Winchester, Stevens Institute of Technology
Will Raphael, GPS, Andover Academy, Tufts