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    That’s how all of these ID events are, whether it be NEFC, Stars, Scorps or whoever. Vast majority of the kids are from the home club.

    Anyone who is smart about making a switch is practicing with their target team on the sly.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      That’s how all of these ID events are, whether it be NEFC, Stars, Scorps or whoever. Vast majority of the kids are from the home club.

      Anyone who is smart about making a switch is practicing with their target team on the sly.
      It's crazy that the leagues allow this, they have clear rules but don't enforce them at all. having players practice on the "shy" is not a positive experience for anyone involved at this age. It confuses the players who are already part of a team and makes the current group uncomfortable because they feel like they are fighting for a spot. This pressure isn't needed for young players. Let them play the season, then have tryouts so they can enjoy playing the game.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        It's crazy that the leagues allow this, they have clear rules but don't enforce them at all. having players practice on the "shy" is not a positive experience for anyone involved at this age. It confuses the players who are already part of a team and makes the current group uncomfortable because they feel like they are fighting for a spot. This pressure isn't needed for young players. Let them play the season, then have tryouts so they can enjoy playing the game.
        Agreed. My kid's club is doing the same BS. They hold tryouts and ID clinics throughout the spring season, which just unsettles the current group of kids. Then they wonder why kids seem stressed out. I swear coaches should be forced to take classes in child development if they're going to be working with kids just barely in middle school. They have no concept of how children are affected by this process.

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          I think it's a great thing. Kids should be "unsettled". Every time they step on the pitch they should play like someone is gunning for their job.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I think it's a great thing. Kids should be "unsettled". Every time they step on the pitch they should play like someone is gunning for their job.
            This does not have the effect you really want it to have with kids that young. With teenagers, around 8th grade and up you can make things more cut throat. Any less than 13 years old and the result s to create fear and ultimately those players stop trying to do new things and be creative. You see them start to concentrate more on "not getting in trouble" than being daring. This is especially true for girls, who tend to be less aggressive and less self-centered than boys.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              This does not have the effect you really want it to have with kids that young. With teenagers, around 8th grade and up you can make things more cut throat. Any less than 13 years old and the result s to create fear and ultimately those players stop trying to do new things and be creative. You see them start to concentrate more on "not getting in trouble" than being daring. This is especially true for girls, who tend to be less aggressive and less self-centered than boys.
              You are so right. If you want that kind of pressure on young players you are part of the reason so many players quit. The game should be fun and not full of pressure.

              Watch as your child hates the game and then you for sapping their enjoyment.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Agreed. My kid's club is doing the same BS. They hold tryouts and ID clinics throughout the spring season, which just unsettles the current group of kids. Then they wonder why kids seem stressed out. I swear coaches should be forced to take classes in child development if they're going to be working with kids just barely in middle school. They have no concept of how children are affected by this process.
                Correction leagues and clubs should be taking classes. Typically they are the ones driving this. If all clubs aligned on doing things the right way this wouldn't be an issue.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  This does not have the effect you really want it to have with kids that young. With teenagers, around 8th grade and up you can make things more cut throat. Any less than 13 years old and the result s to create fear and ultimately those players stop trying to do new things and be creative. You see them start to concentrate more on "not getting in trouble" than being daring. This is especially true for girls, who tend to be less aggressive and less self-centered than boys.
                  This is a Girls 2007 Thread, where the overlying theme is just how incredible these girls are.

                  But, on the flip side, you are saying they can't be made to prove just how incredible they are?

                  Reality is too many of you are terrified of the realization that being good now means nothing, except for FB likes.

                  Posers.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You are so right. If you want that kind of pressure on young players you are part of the reason so many players quit. The game should be fun and not full of pressure.

                    Watch as your child hates the game and then you for sapping their enjoyment.
                    There's lots of leagues for that. Your angel can be the superstar there.

                    High end competition means pressure. It's not for everyone, I get it.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This is a Girls 2007 Thread, where the overlying theme is just how incredible these girls are.

                      But, on the flip side, you are saying they can't be made to prove just how incredible they are?

                      Reality is too many of you are terrified of the realization that being good now means nothing, except for FB likes.

                      Posers.
                      No. The concern is that some incredibly talented kids get thrown into situations that would be difficult for adults to deal with and the only motivating factor is the club's business of making money. Tryouts before the spring has even started, a rotating carousel of "practice players" and continual announcements of ID clinics does not do much to build confidence in players who plan on staying at their current club. I have seen top, top kids on my child's team work themselves into paranoia because they get very little feedback and suddenly see every sign pointing to the club wanting new blood. These kids are very competitive and that is part of the problem. You can't live in a near constant state of anxiety and have it be healthy. It especially does not help the kids to develop their game, which is the whole reason you're paying to be in the club.

                      There is no way that holding tryouts for next fall's team for 4 months starting in February with "Winter ID clinics" is a healthy thing for current members. The whole goal is getting rosters filled for cash.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        No. The concern is that some incredibly talented kids get thrown into situations that would be difficult for adults to deal with and the only motivating factor is the club's business of making money. Tryouts before the spring has even started, a rotating carousel of "practice players" and continual announcements of ID clinics does not do much to build confidence in players who plan on staying at their current club. I have seen top, top kids on my child's team work themselves into paranoia because they get very little feedback and suddenly see every sign pointing to the club wanting new blood. These kids are very competitive and that is part of the problem. You can't live in a near constant state of anxiety and have it be healthy. It especially does not help the kids to develop their game, which is the whole reason you're paying to be in the club.

                        There is no way that holding tryouts for next fall's team for 4 months starting in February with "Winter ID clinics" is a healthy thing for current members. The whole goal is getting rosters filled for cash.
                        Again, this is a competitive environment and if this thread is about the truly best teams in the area, as is often touted, they should welcome the competition.

                        There's a few leagues where you can show up and not have to worry about anyone taking your place and everyone gets orange slices after the game. I suggest this may be the correct place for you.

                        A player who sees others coming in have a few mindsets:

                        1) Someone is here to take my spot. I have to work harder to make sure that doesn't take place.

                        2) Someone is here to take my spot. My dad won't stand for that because he thinks I'm really, really special and he'll talk to the coach.

                        3) Someone is here to take the place of someone's else spot who shouldn't be on the team.

                        4) As long as the ice cream is cold, I don't care.




                        Why are we so afraid of competition?

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                          I think the stress level of the kid is directly related to the stress of the parent. When my kid has the ID clinics at his club I tell him to just play his game and don't worry. The coaches know who he is and how he plays. Always give your best every practice, every game so ID clinic, tryout, playoff game, it doesn't matter.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I think the stress level of the kid is directly related to the stress of the parent. When my kid has the ID clinics at his club I tell him to just play his game and don't worry. The coaches know who he is and how he plays. Always give your best every practice, every game so ID clinic, tryout, playoff game, it doesn't matter.
                            Exactly. Same with my D. She can control her conduct and her effort. If she excels in both, then that's what we can ask. If her coach likes her, and she does those two things, she will be fine. If, however, all that happens and she doesn't make it, well it's much better to know that now than 8 years and $50k later.

                            I don't see how being strung along and being led down a path that you are something that you aren't, only to find out later is much of a benefit to anyone.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Exactly. Same with my D. She can control her conduct and her effort. If she excels in both, then that's what we can ask. If her coach likes her, and she does those two things, she will be fine. If, however, all that happens and she doesn't make it, well it's much better to know that now than 8 years and $50k later.

                              I don't see how being strung along and being led down a path that you are something that you aren't, only to find out later is much of a benefit to anyone.
                              Our club evaluations were pretty good this year. It gave my daughter encouragement and what to work on to get to the next level. I wish they were in writing and hope that the follow through is there on both sides.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                No. The concern is that some incredibly talented kids get thrown into situations that would be difficult for adults to deal with and the only motivating factor is the club's business of making money. Tryouts before the spring has even started, a rotating carousel of "practice players" and continual announcements of ID clinics does not do much to build confidence in players who plan on staying at their current club. I have seen top, top kids on my child's team work themselves into paranoia because they get very little feedback and suddenly see every sign pointing to the club wanting new blood. These kids are very competitive and that is part of the problem. You can't live in a near constant state of anxiety and have it be healthy. It especially does not help the kids to develop their game, which is the whole reason you're paying to be in the club.

                                There is no way that holding tryouts for next fall's team for 4 months starting in February with "Winter ID clinics" is a healthy thing for current members. The whole goal is getting rosters filled for cash.
                                "Making Money" and "roster filled for cash" - you are so bitter, and poor I guess.

                                If kids are nervous about losing their spot, then it's a fixed number of spots. No new money. If clubs are filling rosters for cash, then they are adding spots, so there is nothing to worry about.

                                You really need to stop sucking your binky, take a logic course, and accept that your "incredibly talented" kid is emotionally fragile.

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