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    Originally posted by TwoNil
    Originally posted by Nutsforsoccer
    Wow what a path we have gone down.

    Having been involved in Mass Youth Soccer for 10 plus years now, I haven't seen one club stir up so many emotions.

    What is somewhat funny to see is that some of the club critics of MPS from 4 our 5 years ago have now started to emulate MPS with their own club setup and offerings.

    Also, having been involved with many college coaches on the girls side, I know these coaches are now placing some degree importance of whether the player came through MPS or not (they also give credence to those players from South Coast). At least these are the two clubs I routinely hear mentioned by College girl coaches during their recruiting process.

    Their reason has to do with their initial confidence that their players have been trained consistently with strong fundamentals.

    Many years ago CRU had this reputation as well. The common denominator for this kind of reputation is consistency applied in making sure all its teams receive the same basic training in fundamentals. At some point in the last ten years CRU lost this and became known as a club that might have one or two talented teams but the consistency of coaching across all teams fell off.

    When you go to tournaments and see the way clubs like South Coast and MPS conduct themselves with their warmup preparations, supporting their teammates, and rooting for the other teams within the club, it does build a sense of confidence in evaluating how the players have been trained.
    I couldn't agree more. And also that other clubs are realizing the importance and impact of a whole-club philosophy.

    A few things have struck me as funny in this thread. First, I am just finishing up watching with one of my daughters Fox Soccer Channel's focus on youth program where they are spotlighting the "So Cal National Cup" which is really the state championships for the Southern part of the state. She laughed out loud at the "National Cup" title for the obvious reasons. Then we sat down and enjoyed the show, which featured one team in the finals that she was lucky enough to have faced in a tournament some years ago. (By the way, there are at least 2 "national futsal championships" in the US depending on which league is promoting it)!

    Second, the poster that said any publicity is good publicity (or whatever the phrase is) has a real point. A few years ago when we were discouraged by the Maple relegation policy and hadn't had success in finding decent coaching for our soccer-crazed kids, one parent spent some time researching what Mass. had to offer (including by reading the Touchline forum - rightly or wrongly!), and the other followed up by going to practices, games, scrimmages, etc. and taking a look at the coaching and the entire program as a whole at a few different clubs (Maple as well as MPS). This particular thread is so replicative of what we were reading a few years ago.. same criticisms of MPS, same pokes at the "National titles" marketing, same lashing out about the costs, and by some of the very same folks, too. Truthfully, it was intriguing - why the clear hostility towards this program? We might never have even given it a second look if it hadn't been just to find out why so many in the forum seemed to hate it. In the end, we stayed away from a couple of the clubs that had coaches openly critizing MPS on the forum (even though at least one daughter did consider attending a tryout there and we were pretty confident could've made the "A" team) - we steered her in another direction because it seemed so unprofessional and left a bad taste in our mouths to be reading that stuff by adults who could be coaching our kid. Conversely, we were tentative about approaching MPS because we hadn't had any kids go through the SOE program and were concerned the premier programs were going to be open only to those kids, which of course is not how they work. There are many families who find MPS and not the other way around. We personally know several families who have 1-2 kids in MPS and maybe another in Maple, or vice versa. Also some who do Maple plus Blackwatch Super Y or just Blackwatch alone. How great to have all the options. As I noted in a previous post, different child, different ages, different things they wanted out of a program.

    So who cares what clubs tout what accomplishments? I get this sense from some of the posters that they feel we must protect the newbie soccer parents from themselves and warn them of the evil empire. I say caveat emptor -- I wouldn't go out and spend a few thousand dollars on a widescreen TV or a vacation or a few hundred dollars on a new stereo or whatever without researching it first, and I don't have patience for those who don't expect all of us to have personal responsibility for our purchases -- ESPECIALLY when it comes to what is right for our kids.

    I just continue to not understand the need to gripe about this or any club. I find it somewhat disheartening when you look at the bigger picture of Massachusetts soccer and see this picking (and sometimes bashing) of other clubs. This state has made great strides in youth soccer over the last decade, and we are all facing an uphill battle to showcase our talented kids against the likes of California, NJ, PA, NC, etc. It sure would be nice if instead of this kind of talk (maybe I just read this forum too much) we stuck together in an us versus them mentality. For instance, even though one of my daughters is on a team that continues to be rivals with some of the top clubs in the state in her particular age group, when it comes to following those team's progress in regionals (if they are the eventual state cup winners) or bigger tournaments outside of New England, we would also cheer for them to do well in their representation of Massachusetts soccer. Similarly we follow the older boys Bolts teams even though we don't know anyone on those teams, because they have represented Mass. well over recent years. Somehow I don't get the feeling (maybe I'm reading this forum too much..... :) that the same level of support would be directed towards an MPS team if by some chance a team made it to regionals or national stage (witness some of the gloating about 0 wins of a few of the older girls's teams in regional competition). That just is so distasteful to me. If instead we all promoted Massachusetts soccer and took pride in teams like the Stars U-14 girls current success and some of the National pool players and hailed these accomplishments as a positive for everyone loving soccer in Massachusetts because undoubtedly the more skilled and well-developed players coming out of this small state, no matter the club that developed them, the better for the future of our younger kids to get looked at down the road - by college coaches, regional coaches, whatever the level of achievement our kids are working their tails off to achieve. (And lets not forget having some fun in process, my common theme).

    Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think it's impossible to have healthy, fighting competition within the state and have reasonable discussions about everyone's different viewpoints, and support all of Mass. players, at the same time. In that spirit, hope everyone who is playing has a fun and injury-free weekend at State Cup and hope we see lots of smiles out there. Enjoy!

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      To accuse anyone who has voiced an opinion of not supporting all MA teams and players is absurd.

      The appropriate tiltes are very clear .


      USYS - National Championship
      US club Soccer - National Cup
      Super Y league- Super Y league Championship

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        [quote="pks"]To accuse anyone who has voiced an opinion of not supporting all MA teams and players is absurd.

        If this is true then why is there not a thread "discussing", to be polite, any other club? So much criticism and so little first hand knowledge.....

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          Originally posted by justwatching
          If this is true then why is there not a thread "discussing", to be polite, any other club? So much criticism and so little first hand knowledge.....
          The truly entertaining irony in all of this is that less talking would say much more. . The best approach for all of those wishing to disparage MPS, would be to ignore it and simply withhold commenting in the first place. All this bashing just draws attention to MPS and substantiates the impact this one club has had on soccer in this State.

          For some reason, which I’ve never understood, MPS frightens some people in this State. It seems that MPS challenges some sort of fundamental belief system that gauges success only in terms that are quantifiable with hard numbers of wins/losses and titles. Any point of view that values a more subjective scale of success is labeled as heresy that must be challenged and devalued. Just look at the effort being used to cling to the meaningless wording in a title that has no impact on anything but the egos at another club.

          For many years, the status quo has created a Club system that is designed to perpetuate itself and has forgotten its role in developing each player as an individual. Most Clubs have become merely a collection of teams and have no vision or understanding of anything beyond their own little world. MPS has somehow disrupted the status quo to the point where rational discussion is being trumped by emotional outbursts and these childish attempts to find fault.






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            Originally posted by pks
            To accuse anyone who has voiced an opinion of not supporting all MA teams and players is absurd.

            The appropriate tiltes are very clear .


            USYS - National Championship
            US club Soccer - National Cup
            Super Y league- Super Y league Championship
            Seabiscut & Keeper - very nice posts.

            MPS 1st teams championships are with US Club, so again, they arent saying anything wrong.

            Let start a new thread called (someone can pick)

            "Monitoring the CRU Impact"
            "Monitoring the Bolts Impact"
            "Monitoring the Scorpions Impact"
            "Monitoring the Nova Impact"
            "Monitoring the Crusaders Impact"
            "Monitoring the Fuller Hamlets Impact"
            "Monitoring the Western Mass Impact"
            "Monitoring the <insert any club name> Impact"
            Light travels faster than sound; this is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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              Keeper - great post!

              To the Forum - 2 valid questions still left unanswered.

              Why does MPS Boston Renegades appear to operate better than MPS Boston Bulldogs?

              Why does MPS Boston appear to operate better than MPS Cape Cod?

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                Bolts are the best clubs! So get over it....

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                  Originally posted by Tea Party
                  Bolts are the best clubs! So get over it....
                  What an ultramaroon...what a nincowpoop...

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                    Originally posted by Nutsforsoccer
                    Keeper - great post!

                    To the Forum - 2 valid questions still left unanswered.

                    Why does MPS Boston Renegades appear to operate better than MPS Boston Bulldogs?

                    Why does MPS Boston appear to operate better than MPS Cape Cod?
                    Just to clarify, I've learned alot as I've been looking into them for my kid

                    Boston:

                    Bulldogs - Boys team
                    Renegades - Girls teams

                    Cape:

                    Crusaders - Boys teams
                    Lady Crusaders - Girls team


                    Probably not a question of "operation." Competition is probably the answer.

                    More clubs on the south shore where the cape would likely draw from: Crusaders, Scorpions, Blackhawks, etc. I dont think theres much in Metro West & Boston where the boston teams are from. I may be wrong but thats what I've seen.
                    Light travels faster than sound; this is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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                      A Friend of mine has a son on the Bulldogs, he started at u15 I think. They feel it has been a great experience, good coaching and has improved his soccer (which is all that matters). (money issue I never approached)

                      In their opinion, overall, they think that playing quality soccer, even in ottawa, throughout the summer was benefitial and helped him for the High School season. (although they did not like traveling 9 hours to win 9-0) He is off to College next year and to play college soccer. So MPS did not contribute to a failure and helped in his success.

                      MPS is different in many ways to a Maple clubs and different does not have to be bad. His parents criticisms over the year have been the time Commitment (although less of a problem after the kid started to drive), travel and that there are always new kids trying out for the team throughout the year.

                      The first two I have no problem because it is what it is. The new kids coming onto the team throughout the year I like in the older age groups. I think this prepares kids for cruel world after soccer. If you don't show up for practices or don't improve, see you Later, there is always someone there to take your place. (Crankiness again) I think a lot of Maple Coaches would love to have this option for that one Knucklehead.

                      I also like watching a Game in Yarmouth on a nice July evening.

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                        Originally posted by tooslowtball
                        The new kids coming onto the team throughout the year I like in the older age groups. I think this prepares kids for cruel world after soccer. If you don't show up for practices or don't improve, see you Later, there is always someone there to take your place. (Crankiness again) I think a lot of Maple Coaches would love to have this option for that one Knucklehead.
                        I had never thought of that. Does that make them ineligible for anything sponsored by MA youth soccer since it's clearly against the ma youth soccer bylaws?

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                          Originally posted by Anonymous
                          Originally posted by Tea Party
                          Bolts are the best clubs! So get over it....
                          What an ultramaroon...what a nincowpoop...
                          The name calling above is ultra mild and no big deal. But hey, who want to read a board where anonymous people throw insults back and forth at each other. It's really boring, poor reading, brings down the level of discussion and doesn't even conform to forum rules and besides that it even appears to be misspelled . Bring something to the table - an opinion - some facts - humor - something - get some game in your posts

                          No harm - no foul - post on - but even anonymous people can easily be restricted if they continually post lame insults as their only contribution :-)

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                            Dear MPS parents love fest,

                            Why does the state's largest club need to claim the National championship
                            by winning us club's national cup? How many teams from MA entered those competitions? In addition, they are claiming a number of national championships by virtue of winning the super y league( claim 10 total national championships).

                            Their claims and marketing of 10 National Championships are False.
                            In many of the years of claimed national championships, those teams ACTUALLY LOST in the National Chpionship tournament to other MA teams.

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                              backpost - sort yourself out - do you read other posts?All National claims are genuine.

                              MPS primes themselves on development, and the state cup has never been the be all. Im sure MPS will want to be successful at the State Cup but theres more to a season than that event.

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                                Originally posted by backpost
                                Dear MPS parents love fest,

                                Why does the state's largest club need to claim the National championship
                                by winning us club's national cup? How many teams from MA entered those competitions? In addition, they are claiming a number of national championships by virtue of winning the super y league( claim 10 total national championships).

                                Their claims and marketing of 10 National Championships are False.
                                In many of the years of claimed national championships, those teams ACTUALLY LOST in the National Chpionship tournament to other MA teams.
                                With anything you have to be able to put it into proper perspective. MPS uses the claims the same way lots of other teams do.
                                Example: my neighbor won a "national" championship in the got milk 3v3 in Florida. There were 30 teams in that age group across the nation when they won it but try telling that to anyone involved.
                                Example 2: the Red sox won a world championship but never played teams from Japan,DR etc.
                                Any person involved knows that the real success is determined by state cups and regionals leading to nationals. That being said, I would like to see MPS show well at state cup just to shake things up for Maple club teams

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