Monitoring The MPS Impact

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This topic is a real illustration of the problem of the "guest" function on this forum, that allows anyone to throw something out there as part of their agenda in complete anonimity. In the old forum we just had people with multiple personalities :)

.... but stop being intellectually dishonest by calling them national champions. It isn't MPS bashing to admit that in youth soccer there is one national championship and it is the USYSA championship.

The Red Bull Girls National League will also have a National Champion.

'"The Red Bull Girls National League will unite the top 18 Under-15 and U16 teams from across the country in the spirit of true competition and elite player development. The leagues consist of three weekend-long tournaments in which each team competes in nine regular season matches to determine the RBGNL champion."

[Fred Marks]

A while back one of my teams won the Mass futsal championship. Only about 8-10 teams entered I think. We declined an invitation to the Regionals. If I remember correctly so did the second place team. Because of that a third team was offered the invitation to the Regionals. They won the Regionals and then the Nationals. Seriously.

I remember another time a Mass club won a 'National' indoor championship and was trumpeting the results for all to hear. I was impressed until I went to the website and checked out the results. They entered the equivalent of the town team division.

Competitions and/or competitors can call themselves whatever they like. People arent fooled for long though.

US Club Soccer has Regional Championships leading up to a National Championship. They have 2 divisions ("Super Group" and "Premier") so they will end up crowning TWO national champions in each age group.

A while back one of my teams won the Mass futsal championship. Only about 8-10 teams entered I think. We declined an invitation to the Regionals. If I remember correctly so did the second place team. Because of that a third team was offered the invitation to the Regionals. They won the Regionals and then the Nationals. Seriously.

I remember another time a Mass club won a 'National' indoor championship and was trumpeting the results for all to hear. I was impressed until I went to the website and checked out the results. They entered the equivalent of the town team division.

Competitions and/or competitors can call themselves whatever they like. People arent fooled for long though.

A good rationalization for a none issue.

The only people who really care about what MPS says about National Championships are other clubs. Parents and players are used to this kind of marketing hype and nobody joins a club because of something on a web page. Obviously a club wanted to make an issue from whole cloth and tried to be clever about it. Now we know. What a surprise.

MPS should win a few more state championships before marketing the
closed league championship as a national championship. This would seem the fairest and more honorable approach for all, including the actual winners(players, coaches) of the state and national championships for a given year.

MPS should win a few more state championships before marketing the
closed league championship as a national championship. This would seem the fairest and more honorable approach for all, including the actual winners(players, coaches) of the state and national championships for a given year.

The real interesting topic here is just how orchestrated this attempt to start something negative about MPS has been

Talk about honorable.

MPS must be having a much bigger impact than I ever thought possible.

[pitch420]

closed league

What does this mean?

Here's what MPS says about themselves:

Where is all this "marketing the closed league championship as a national championship" stuff that bothers you so much?

About Mass Premier Soccer

What is the scope of Massachusetts Premier Soccer?

Massachusetts Premier Soccer, Inc., a non-profit organization, is comprised of:

Boston Renegades W-League franchise.

Cape Cod Crusaders PDL franchise.

MPS Youth Development Academy. The Academy consists of Camps, Clinics, the School of Excellence Program and the Premier Team Program.

The School of Excellence Program works out of 13 different locations with players aged U-9 through U12. The Premier Team Program has both boys and girls teams aged U13-19 playing under the monikers of Boston Bulldogs, Boston Renegades, Cape Cod Crusaders and Cape Cod Lady Crusaders. In certain age groups we field both premier and premier development teams. The camp program works with over 4000 campers annually and the clinic program works with 35-40,000 players throughout the year by placing as many as 50 coaches per day in the community in the spring and fall seasons.

MPS has 30 full time staff coaches and over 40 Regional staff coaches. MPS is the only club in New England that has a PDL franchise (the Cape Cod Crusaders) and a W-League franchise (the Boston Renegades) giving us a unique structure of being able to cater to a player's development from U-8 through U-23.

We have a consistent development philosophy through our entire program which include standardized systems of play for our premier teams. MPS is the biggest club in New England.

Mission

The mission of Massachusetts Premier Soccer is to cultivate the soccer experience of young players in Massachusetts. We provide players the opportunity to improve as athletes and as people by fostering an identity of excellence. We strive to produce players who can compete at the highest level of soccer competition throughout the world.

We accomplish our mission through six primary activities..

Coaching Clinics to develop the coaching talent available to local school, club and recreational programs.

Soccer Camps around metropolitan Boston and on Cape Cod for youth players during school vacation breaks in the spring and in the summer.

Competitive youth teams for serious and talented young players, boys and girls, ages 13 through 19

Development of young soccer players in our own controled environment that is the MPS School Of Excellence.

PDL teams for players readying themselves for MLS

W League franchise providing the highest level of women’s soccer in the US

With these six primary activities we will:

Produce players and educate them on how to be better people.

Provide soccer education and family entertainment at an affordable price, focusing on the belief that the appropriate development of youth soccer players is vitally important to the successful future of the game in the United States.

Create a style of play that is enthusiastic, entertaining and attacking with the rules of sportsmanship at the forefront of all competition.

Be accessible and responsive to our fans, campers and youth team players, engaging their participation and promoting their important role in our business success.

Reach out and seek opportunities to help those in need that share a common love of our sport.

Acknowledge that we are role models for the young people in our community and we will strive to honor this important responsibility.

MPS should win a few more state championships before marketing the closed league championship as a national championship. This would seem the fairest and more honorable approach for all, including the actual winners(players, coaches) of the state and national championships for a given year.

Here's what MPS says in their "history section":

All of the "national championship" stuff seems very detailed. Which part bothers you, or should they just not exist?

History

Mass Premier Soccer was founded in 2001. Under the stewardship of General Manager Joseph Bradley the company has flourished, yet still in its infancy continues to grow every year. In 2001 the Boston Renegades launched their assault on the W1-League and brought Mass Premier Soccer its first National Championship. Peter Bradley was to bring the first success to the club.

Not only was there success on a first team level, but Joe Bradley brought back another National Ti tle when he guided the U18 Boston Bulldogs team to a Super Y National Final. For a club that had only been in existence for a year, two National Championships was a phenomenal achievement. Peter Bradley was to continue the club's success when he brought further National Championship glory to MPS in 2002 with the Renegades

In that same year the Cape Cod Crusaders brought home their first National Ti tle with a last gasp win against Boulder Rapid Reserves in the PDL Final held on the Cape. This brought the MPS trophy haul to four in two years. The Crusaders would bring the total to five in three years when they defe-ated the Chicago Fire Reserves in Chicago to mirror the Renegades by capturing their successive crown in 2003.

The Academy program continued to flourish alongside the success of the club with an increase in Super Y League teams and a School of Excellence program established. Further success has been brought to the club by one of its Super Y League teams. The Cape Cod Lady Crusaders under the guidance of Jay Woodward have brought two further National Championships to MPs in 2003 & 2004. Woodward guided the U16 Lady Crusaders (2003) and the U19 Lady Crusaders (2004) to Super Y National Championships. Peter Bradley added a further National Ti tle when the U17 Boston Renegades were victorious in the Super Y National Championships in Orlando. In 2005, Joe Bradley guided his U18 Boston Bulldogs to MPS' 9th national ti tle in 5 years.

In 2007 MPS will have 22 Super Y League teams competing for National Championships and have 17 School of Excellence locations that will act as a direct feeder to the Super Y program. Mass Premier Soccer's academy program still continues to flourish with their camp and clinic program growing year by year.

MPS should win a few more state championships before marketing the closed league championship as a national championship. This would seem the fairest and more honorable approach for all, including the actual winners(players, coaches) of the state and national championships for a given year.

Here's what MPS says in their "history section":

All of the "national championship" stuff seems very detailed. Which part bothers you, or should they just not exist?

History

Mass Premier Soccer was founded in 2001. Under the stewardship of General Manager Joseph Bradley the company has flourished, yet still in its infancy continues to grow every year. In 2001 the Boston Renegades launched their assault on the W1-League and brought Mass Premier Soccer its first National Championship. Peter Bradley was to bring the first success to the club.

Not only was there success on a first team level, but Joe Bradley brought back another National Ti tle when he guided the U18 Boston Bulldogs team to a Super Y National Final. For a club that had only been in existence for a year, two National Championships was a phenomenal achievement. Peter Bradley was to continue the club's success when he brought further National Championship glory to MPS in 2002 with the Renegades

In that same year the Cape Cod Crusaders brought home their first National Ti tle with a last gasp win against Boulder Rapid Reserves in the PDL Final held on the Cape. This brought the MPS trophy haul to four in two years. The Crusaders would bring the total to five in three years when they defe-ated the Chicago Fire Reserves in Chicago to mirror the Renegades by capturing their successive crown in 2003.

The Academy program continued to flourish alongside the success of the club with an increase in Super Y League teams and a School of Excellence program established. Further success has been brought to the club by one of its Super Y League teams. The Cape Cod Lady Crusaders under the guidance of Jay Woodward have brought two further National Championships to MPs in 2003 & 2004. Woodward guided the U16 Lady Crusaders (2003) and the U19 Lady Crusaders (2004) to Super Y National Championships. Peter Bradley added a further National Ti tle when the U17 Boston Renegades were victorious in the Super Y National Championships in Orlando. In 2005, Joe Bradley guided his U18 Boston Bulldogs to MPS' 9th national ti tle in 5 years.

In 2007 MPS will have 22 Super Y League teams competing for National Championships and have 17 School of Excellence locations that will act as a direct feeder to the Super Y program. Mass Premier Soccer's academy program still continues to flourish with their camp and clinic program growing year by year.

Who cares about any of this crap? Anyone can call themselves whatever they want. Most every club out there publicizes their victories and accomplishments. It's all about marketing. How else can they justify the rising player fees? The way I see it, MPS is getting a lot of free publicity here. And everyone knows, there's no such thing as bad publicity. So you guys just keep on shooting off your mouths. In the end my kid is better than yours. Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah. Get a life people.

[MASoccer]

a lot of the Bolts teams at Needham were playing up...the two I know of specifically were the U11 and U16 boys. They played up at the U12/U17 levels respectively.

I also think that the Bolts 15s were mostly in Oregon.

Only 5 of the current U15 Bolts team were in Oregon all of them 92's. the remainder of the team including a Region 1 player stayed behind and played in the Needham tournament. The Needham team was far from being the "B" team. In actuality, three of the players that went to Oregon were not even starters during the regular MAPLE season. The players that went were the ones who wanted to take on the expense and commitment of the trip, not necessarily the all star players that other posters had predicted.

According to the U14 Bolts team page:
http://www.bluesombrero.com/Default.aspx?tabid=24455

[Nutsforsoccer]

Wow what a path we have gone down.

Having been involved in Mass Youth Soccer for 10 plus years now, I haven't seen one club stir up so many emotions.

What is somewhat funny to see is that some of the club critics of MPS from 4 our 5 years ago have now started to emulate MPS with their own club setup and offerings.

Also, having been involved with many college coaches on the girls side, I know these coaches are now placing some degree importance of whether the player came through MPS or not (they also give credence to those players from South Coast). At least these are the two clubs I routinely hear mentioned by College girl coaches during their recruiting process. Their reason has to do with their initial confidence that their players have been trained consistently with strong fundamentals.

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Wow what a path we have gone down.

Having been involved in Mass Youth Soccer for 10 plus years now, I haven't seen one club stir up so many emotions.

What is somewhat funny to see is that some of the club critics of MPS from 4 our 5 years ago have now started to emulate MPS with their own club setup and offerings.

Also, having been involved with many college coaches on the girls side, I know these coaches are now placing some degree importance of whether the player came through MPS or not (they also give credence to those players from South Coast). At least these are the two clubs I routinely hear mentioned by College girl coaches during their recruiting process. Their reason has to do with their initial confidence that their players have been trained consistently with strong fundamentals.

Many years ago CRU had this reputation as well. The common denominator for this kind of reputation is consistency applied in making sure all its teams receive the same basic training in fundamentals. At some point in the last ten years CRU lost this and became known as a club that might have one or two talented teams but the consistency of coaching across all teams fell off.

When you go to tournaments and see the way clubs like South Coast and MPS conduct themselves with their warmup preparations, supporting their teammates, and rooting for the other teams within the club, it does build a sense of confidence in evaluating how the players have been trained.

Wow what a path we have gone down.

Having been involved in Mass Youth Soccer for 10 plus years now, I haven't seen one club stir up so many emotions.

What is somewhat funny to see is that some of the club critics of MPS from 4 our 5 years ago have now started to emulate MPS with their own club setup and offerings.

Also, having been involved with many college coaches on the girls side, I know these coaches are now placing some degree importance of whether the player came through MPS or not (they also give credence to those players from South Coast). At least these are the two clubs I routinely hear mentioned by College girl coaches during their recruiting process. Their reason has to do with their initial confidence that their players have been trained consistently with strong fundamentals.

Many years ago CRU had this reputation as well. The common denominator for this kind of reputation is consistency applied in making sure all its teams receive the same basic training in fundamentals. At some point in the last ten years CRU lost this and became known as a club that might have one or two talented teams but the consistency of coaching across all teams fell off.

When you go to tournaments and see the way clubs like South Coast and MPS conduct themselves with their warmup preparations, supporting their teammates, and rooting for the other teams within the club, it does build a sense of confidence in evaluating how the players have been trained.

There are still a few smaller clubs out there that share your perspective. Not just MPS and Scorps.