Monitoring The MPS Impact

[pitch420]

There was also the issue of following the calendar year for forming teams in Super Y, but that maybe hurt MPS more than their eliminating dual rostering.

Super Y is soccer year, not calendar year.

SuperY tried going by calendar year for one year. It was a big mistake and hurt MPS badly.

Sorry but this post is purely selfish in that I wanted to reach 20 before FSM rockets by me. :D

[FSM]

There was also the issue of following the calendar year for forming teams in Super Y, but that maybe hurt MPS more than their eliminating dual rostering.

Super Y is soccer year, not calendar year.

SuperY tried going by calendar year for one year. It was a big mistake and hurt MPS badly.

Sorry but this post is purely selfish in that I wanted to reach 20 before FSM rockets by me. :D

Now that so many are posting again, I won't have to work so hard to generate discussion, so I'll let you stay ahead.

As "Guest" noted, it was only for one year, but they lost a lot of good players during that one year and from some of those who left, it was not the dual rostering issue, but the calendar year issue that caused them to leave.

There was also the issue of following the calendar year for forming teams in Super Y, but that maybe hurt MPS more than their eliminating dual rostering.

Super Y is soccer year, not calendar year.

SuperY tried going by calendar year for one year. It was a big mistake and hurt MPS badly.

Sorry but this post is purely selfish in that I wanted to reach 20 before FSM rockets by me. :D

Now that so many are posting again, I won't have to work so hard to generate discussion, so I'll let you stay ahead.

As "Guest" noted, it was only for one year, but they lost a lot of good players during that one year and from some of those who left, it was not the dual rostering issue, but the calendar year issue that caused them to leave.

I don't recall it that way at all. In fact the calendar year switch created new opportunity of team alignment and additional players needed, which were obtained.

Also, my recollection is that more players chose to stay with MPS than their Maple Club when MPS would no longer allow dual rostering.

[FSM]

I don't recall it that way at all. In fact the calendar year switch created new opportunity of team alignment and additional players needed, which were obtained.

You maybe correct, that the change to the calendar date created new opportunities that initially attracted players and (I'd guess) who were dual rostered. But the players whose parents I spoke to were not dual rostering and I seem to recall that they returned to MAPLE when the rostering date went back to the soccer year date. I know in one case, the fact that the player would have to move to a younger team was the reason he left the Bulldogs. In his case he felt being one of the youngest kids on the MPS team was challenging, but when the roster date changed to the soccer year, and he'd have to move down, he felt he would be better challenged as an older player on a MAPLE team then on an MPS team. Just one kid's opinion, but he was a very good player, and losing players like him was a lose to MPS.

[Cujo]

Susy,
That post wasnt directed soley at you,and I understand you didnt write that.I dont think either of us picked our clubs because of our coachs accent.And I agree for the most part that Maple Div.1 is stronger overall I just dont think the gap is that large as some posters think.Like I said its hit or miss,last year in our age group both Blackwatch teams,Renegades ,Phanthoms could have been competitive in lower Maple1.Seacoast,Crusaders,Ottawa Div.2.Nordic MASC.Thats just one age group the others could be playin the school for the blind for all I know.
Cya in hopefully sunny Amherst in 2 weeeks.

The worst coach my daughter had was Scottish and a highly skilled player, the best had a Maine downeast accent and was not a very good player. Where a coach came from and what level he played at is not terribly relevant. In fact I have usually found that the more skilled an athlete is the harder it is for them to break the technical stuff down into the digestable chunks that young players can use to develop their skills.

if mps is just a club, and there are over
20 other clubs in mass, why do mps parents
make 90% of the posts about mps/maple.
given mps plays in a lower level league,
and have only had tournament success using former maple
players, I am not sure
why MPS parents feel he need to fill us in
on how great the program is and justify their
higher costs.

[Ronbo]

why do mps parents make 90% of the posts about mps/maple.

Could it be due to the name of this topic being called "Monitoring The MPS Impact"?

If you start a topic called "Monitoring the [insert your favorite MAPLE club here] impact", you will see similar behavior.

MPS is an in house program and league.
In house programs are run to maximize revenue potential
and may offer decent coaching.
Maple offers greater competition and development .
what else do we need to moinitor and are non mps players missing?
I agree, MPS is just another club, but is the only one
running an in house program.

[soccerlimo]

Maradona,
Glad to see you out of the hospital ,hope you kicked the coke habit.
First off I believe I may be the only admitted MPS parent that posted,I may be wrong,and I only posted twice.Butkis started the tread on the other site and I am pretty sure he is not a MPS parent (my guess is a north shore club or maybe Stars).Not sure that amounts to 90 percent.Second I was trying to seperate a little of the fact from fiction not trying to justify anything,maybe if you read my post a little slower you will figure that out. :roll: In a debate Maradona it is best if you have two sides(just like a soccer game!) if you have been reading the posts on this subject over the years(Next month it will be the annual tryout/poaching posts followed by highschool soccer and then FSM's favorite Dual rostering/columbus day tournaments be sure to add your insite) you would see it has been pretty one sided with MPS critics.I tried to give a reasonable opposing view.
My god Im morphing into Mr.Stats.

[Blue Devil]

Good post on the old board from revsareus

Not trying to ruffle feathers but a few blanket statements are being made and there are alot of nuances not being revealed so read below and then RESEARCH by going to the websites and talking to the different teams.

Why am I qualified to even go into this...I have a son who has played BOTH MAPLE and SUPER Y

here is my personal observations

MAPLE- (www.maplesoccer.com)
• plays instate competition at U13 -17/18
(U11-12 have some RI and NH teams)

• U11-14 play Fall & Spring -every weekend
U15-17/18 Spring Only

• State Cup is culmination of season )then regionals, nationals...)

• Some clubs have 1-2 teams others a full compliment 11-7 girls and boys

• Affiliated with Mass Youth Soccer.

SUPER Y (www.uslsoccer.com)
• Plays regional Competition depending on location in country (New England plays a team in Canada U14 up)

• Starts Premier teams at U13, has leagues that the player graduates into

• Game schedule - April to first week of August, not every weekend

• Super Y Nationals is the culmination of the season

• Clubs are required to have full compliment of teams

• Affiliated with US Club Soccer

BOTH

• Most clubs are now offering an academy program for the premier players younger siblings

• Most run a winter training program

• Most require a 2-4 day a week commitment (betweentraining and games)
(HS commitment in MA is a 5 day + game commitment for ANY Sport per MIAA rules to be a bonefide member of a team) Normally if you talk to your particular coach(s) regarding you specific situation something can be worked out)

•Every club/team carries it's own vibe or flavor depending on the coach and the players some good some not so good.


The thing I had been told a very long time ago..."Follow the coaching"
A strong player that is developed by coaches that have a players best interest at heart will earn a players and parents respect. They will continue to love the game, they will grow in the game and their knowledge and ability.

Not all clubs and not all coaches are for all kids no matter how good or bad their win loss record is. Some coaches can have a better connection with a specific type of player than another.

ALWAYS ask questions
How long has the club been around
What is their goal(s)
What level licensing do their coaches hold ("A" being best, someone else can explain the varying degrees.)
Where do they train, when do they train
How much do they travel
Do they offer assistance
COST (more than you realize)
As an older player...
College contacts
Alumni - where are they now
College exposure
Go to several training sessions to observe
ask if your child can take a training session with the team
Go to a game - Most are posted on their league sites and now have field directions

Do you like what you see? Is your child comfortable, are the other players happy, parents positive? Coach positive? Screamer or instructional or silent?

Just as you do your research in choosing camps, schools, car, appliances, premier level sports clubs require the same scrutiny.

Hope this helps, I am not advocating one over another as they are 2 ways to reach they same end.

Good Luck

[pitch420]

I am not sure
why MPS parents feel he need to fill us in
on how great the program is and justify their
higher costs.

From what I've seen those comments come only after one of us Maple people make the initial comment about MPS costs. Self defense. If you love YOUR club and someone talked about it in a negative way, I'm sure you'd respond the same way...it's only natural.

IMO, you can't keep calling Super Y a B league. A point was made that Maple is the strongest league in the state. I will totally agree that Maple D1 beats Super Y but not D2 and certainly not Maple D

[Cujo]

Maradona,
Glad to see you out of the hospital ,hope you kicked the coke habit.
First off I believe I may be the only admitted MPS parent that posted,I may be wrong,and I only posted twice.Butkis started the tread on the other site and I am pretty sure he is not a MPS parent (my guess is a north shore club or maybe Stars).Not sure that amounts to 90 percent.Second I was trying to seperate a little of the fact from fiction not trying to justify anything,maybe if you read my post a little slower you will figure that out. :roll: In a debate Maradona it is best if you have two sides(just like a soccer game!) if you have been reading the posts on this subject over the years(Next month it will be the annual tryout/poaching posts followed by highschool soccer and then FSM's favorite Dual rostering/columbus day tournaments be sure to add your insite) you would see it has been pretty one sided with MPS critics.I tried to give a reasonable opposing view.
My god Im morphing into Mr.Stats.

I love reading through a series of posts from individuals and what you realize after a while you see a pattern. You will see discussions about the quality of coaching, the support from the club, the competition, the cost BUT NOWHERE in the discussion will there be a single reference about whether their child is enjoying themselves. I agree with you about the Cowbells and the Horns and the parents wearing team colors. It is enough to drive you nuts. Travel Team by Mike Lupica should be required reading for coaches, parents, and anyone else involved in youth sports.

[Fred Marks]

I was talking with a coach from a well known Northern Caliifornia club this week. The coach was telling me it was common for fees for clubs with strong coaches in that area to be $2,500-$3,000. The clubs trained three x per week and played year round outdoors. MPS fees seem to be at least somewhat in line with clubs that have lots of full time staff. It wasnt that long ago that virtually all New England clubs were mom and pop. Professionalism is arriving in the area. I would expect fees to keep rising for ambitious clubs to satisfy the desires of ambitious players and families.

[Fred Marks]

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[pitch420]

Professionalism is arriving in the area. I would expect fees to keep rising for ambitious clubs to satisfy the desires of ambitious players and families.

BUT NOWHERE in the discussion will there be a single reference about whether their child is enjoying themselves.

Excellent points http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbth...p_sign0173.gif