Monitoring The MPS Impact

There can only be one Champion of a given tournament.

A few years back one of the Scorpion teams I coached won the second level of the Jefferson Cup. We werent the Jefferson Cup Champions.

Fred M.

Yes, by your rules. Some may say that your team was the Jefferson Cup Second Level Champions. The kids would probably have been thrilled. I have no idea why this is such a big deal to you.

In BAYS, my team last year was Division 2 Section A Champs! BAYS sent the kids trophies. It was quite an accomplishment for the kids. They were thrilled. I guess if you were the coach you would have told them that only the Division 1A team was the Champion. Different philosophy. I like the BAYS one better than yours but that is only my opinion.

There can only be one Champion of a given tournament.

A few years back one of the Scorpion teams I coached won the second level of the Jefferson Cup. We werent the Jefferson Cup Champions.

Fred M.

Yes, by your rules. Some may say that your team was the Jefferson Cup Second Level Champions. The kids would probably have been thrilled. I have no idea why this is such a big deal to you.

In BAYS, my team last year was Division 2 Section A Champs! BAYS sent the kids trophies. It was quite an accomplishment for the kids. They were thrilled. I guess if you were the coach you would have told them that only the Division 1A team was the Champion. Different philosophy. I like the BAYS one better than yours but that is only my opinion.

Congratulations to your BAYS Championship team. I hope the Patriot Ledger picks it up.

[sundance]

Several posts have requested the thread to be closed down, locked. Others have asked why a previous thread was locked and still others have wondered why certain actions were taken or not taken in this and other threads. I will try to explain to the best of my ability some of the rationale used.

First general thoughts and observations -

- All of us will have different standards as to what is offensive. Some posts virtually everybody will think are offensive, they are easy to deal with. Other posts (like many in this thread) will be offensive to some and not offensive to others.

- I use the forum rules as my guidelines. I didn't make them but I do try live up to them. There are many posts that I don't like, but if they are not against the rules it wouldn't be right if I deleted them. Just because a post offends a sigle poster or a small group of posers it doesn't mean that it should be deleted

- If a post is deleted the person who made that post will usually think that they are being treated unfairly. (Some are so over the top that even the poster knows it)

- If I delete or modify a post I try and make sure that people know that it was me who did it and briefly explain why

- Soccerfan and I occasionally PM each other but almost always make our decisions independently without consulting each other. I think that he is doing a very good job and if he is taking care of something I let him do his thing and stay out of that instance. Both of us have tried to stay out of the forum as much as possible and have been far less active than the admin on touch line forum

- I will usually delete or modify posts that violate rules instead of locking threads. Some have reacted to the "Anonymous Elder" lock. I was on vacation that week and didn't really read it thouroughly when I came back because it was locked already. A quick scan made it seem to me that that thread was turning into an insult fest. Some of you may be reacting to what you read at the time and not realize that the stuff against the rules may have been already deleted. So when you read it it may not be a big deal, but it might been worse before deletion.

- Many people have expressed concern with the anonymous poster capability. But it is a fact of life on this board set up by the people who started it and I do not think that it is technically possible to change it just for our thread. I would prefer to have named posters but it is what it is and the poll on anonymous posting itself was not conclusive either.

- Many have suggested very good strategies for dealing with anonymous posts. Some of the best are: - Don't respond to anonymous insults or, if you need to respond do it once and don't continue to engage. - If you prefer named posts, always post with your name. If the majority posts with their name that will become the norm - Have some peer pressure in favor of the right post and post in a respectful manner and that will be the norm.

- People occasionally PM to ask me to review a post or a thread and I review them all and if they are against the rules I will take action. So far less than 30% have in my opinion been valid objections.

I hope that this explains some of the questions posed by the posters. I will follow this up with some thoughts on this specific thread and then move on. If you have reactions I will be happy to read them but don't anticipate responding. Respectfully Sundance

[sundance]

Thoughts on this thread.

I haven't taken any action because I haven't thought it was warranted as of yet

- A bump is usually a short post with no opinion expressed. I have deleted a post in this thread a few weeks ago because it met the bump criteria. The one that started the latest round of posts asked a question and expressed an opinion and wasn't a bump.

- Fred questioned whether a tournament had multiple levels. That is not against the rules. Fred expressed the opinion that he felt it wasn't a national championship. That is an opionion about the way that a championship was described and the fact that Fred expresses that opinion doensn't demean or insult anyone or lesson the accomplishment. It is just Fred's opinion.

MTOC has in other years declared seperate division 1,2 and 3 champions and I have read and heard them all described as state champions and others saying that a D3 or D2 champions can't be described as state champs. Both viewpoints are just opinions and neither enhances or diminishes what the teams actually accomplished

- Several posters have expressed counter opinions or questioned Fred's motives for making his posts. Their opinions are their opinions and not against the rules as they have been presented so far and they get more leeway in this case because of the nature of Fred's posts than they would if they questioned his motives out of the blue.

- Some people don't like MPS and will try and stir the pot

- Some MPS supporters will see an insult in even the most innocous post

- If as moderators we think that individual posts go over the line we will try and delete them as soon as possible

- If any individual, anonymous or not, goes too far they can be given a yellow or red card and restricted from posting for a time period (including forever)

[Vman971]

The Champions of the U12 -2 MTOC Tournament would be the MTOC U12-2 Champions. Right?

I'm not sure who BAYS or the other town leagues send as their representative but the South Coast Soccer League sends their U11 division 1 team as their representative for the U12-2 division so I would think that all of the "division 2" MTOC champs should be considered state champs. The SCSL division 2 division winners are ineligible for MTOC.

As far as MPS goes, give it a rest people. Those involved with their programs should promote and support them. The ones that like what they do will stay with them. The ones that don't, either won't join or won't stay. If the Crusaders won a tournament that state the winner would be a national champion, then good for them and they should promote it. The issue should be how a tournament is promoting themselves, not what any club is claiming by winning it. It's no different than the futsal leagues declaring state/regional/national champions when most of the clubs don't participate. The winner is declared a state/regional/national champ regardless of how many teams enter.

The team won a tournament in which a total of 10 teams challanged for . It is a nice tournament win, but I think it is fair to ask why adults involved(tournament officials and club officials) try to make it bigger than that.

The academy of DC United the MLS team play in the Supper Y

Is this correct, the academy of DC United the MLS team play in the Supper Y league from rom U13 to U17. Is this not the same league that some of the MPS play teams play in?

Here is what DC United says about the Supper Y League:

Super Y-League Teams (U-13, U-14, U-16, U-20 Boys and U-14, U-15 Girls)

D.C. United's Youth Teams currently compete in United Soccer League's Super Y-League, one of the most competitive leagues in the country. For summer 2007, D.C. United will place boys' teams in the U-13, U-14, U-16 and U-20 age groups, and girls' teams in the U-14 and U-15 age groups.


This is what they say about the DC United Youth Teams:

D.C. United Youth Teams
As part of D.C. United's commitment to the Washington D.C. community, the club continues to offer one of the strongest youth programs in the country. D.C. United's player development program has provided hundreds of DC Metro Area soccer players with an opportunity to compete for a spot on the first team. The youth coaches compliment the program with their high degree of professional instruction, experience, and integrity while teaching proper technique and soccer skills.


SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REVOLUTION MLS club? They are one of the only teams in the MLS to not put a youth team academy together? What gives with this?

[riles]

......about the Supper Y League:

I gained 20 lbs after playing in that league; maybe because I followed it up with a stint in MAPLE D(essert).

Sorry, just having some fun with a typo....

Congratulations to your BAYS Championship team. I hope the Patriot Ledger picks it up.

This is the bull thats not necessary.

Re: The academy of DC United the MLS team play in the Supper

Is this correct, the academy of DC United the MLS team play in the Supper Y league from rom U13 to U17. Is this not the same league that some of the MPS play teams play in?

Here is what DC United says about the Supper Y League:

Super Y-League Teams (U-13, U-14, U-16, U-20 Boys and U-14, U-15 Girls)

D.C. United's Youth Teams currently compete in United Soccer League's Super Y-League, one of the most competitive leagues in the country. For summer 2007, D.C. United will place boys' teams in the U-13, U-14, U-16 and U-20 age groups, and girls' teams in the U-14 and U-15 age groups.


This is what they say about the DC United Youth Teams:

D.C. United Youth Teams
As part of D.C. United's commitment to the Washington D.C. community, the club continues to offer one of the strongest youth programs in the country. D.C. United's player development program has provided hundreds of DC Metro Area soccer players with an opportunity to compete for a spot on the first team. The youth coaches compliment the program with their high degree of professional instruction, experience, and integrity while teaching proper technique and soccer skills.


SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REVOLUTION MLS club? They are one of the only teams in the MLS to not put a youth team academy together? What gives with this?

DC United's U16 will be part of the US Soccer Academy beginning late this fall.

The Revs are one of 2 MLS teams (the other is Toronto) without a youth academy program.

Congratulations to your BAYS Championship team. I hope the Patriot Ledger picks it up.

This is the bull thats not necessary.

Cheer up, buddy. I think the BAYS Champ post was the most rationale on this whole thread. It put this all in perspective.

Cheer up, buddy. I think the BAYS Champ post was the most rationale on this whole thread. It put this all in perspective.

Not the point. these 2 posts are exactly the same; minimize an accomplishment

I hope the Patriot Ledger picks it up.

Are u kidding me?

Cheer up, buddy. I think the BAYS Champ post was the most rationale on this whole thread. It put this all in perspective.

Not the point. these 2 posts are exactly the same; minimize an accomplishment

I hope the Patriot Ledger picks it up.

[quote:8we3ecvy]Are u kidding me?

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Oh, I see. I think you (and probably others) misunderstood the sarcasm in the BAYS post so I've learned another forum lesson. The original 'National Champ' article for the Cape Cod team was in the Patriot Ledger. I think that was completely appropriate but it annoyed many on this forum for no reason (In my opinion). The BAYS team referenced is the Champion!

The BAYS team referenced is the Champion!

As is the MPS team. Have a nice day.

"Some may say that your team was the Jefferson Cup Second Level Champions."

That is correct and the team was proud of the accomplishment. Still, it would be inaccurate and misleading to identify the team as 'Jefferson Cup Champions'. Some may think that is a semantic thing. I dont agree. The team that won the Championship level are the Champions.

"I have no idea why this is such a big deal to you."
You keep saying that it is a big deal to me. My posts have been short and to the point. There are apparently people who believe that any Champion of a multi-level tournament is that tournaments 'Champion'. I dont agree. That is my only point. Feel free to disagree but any attempt to make my point anything other than that is lame.

"so I would think that all of the "division 2" MTOC champs should be considered state champs."

So would I. There are many Champions in that tournament. Each is the Champion of a particular division. There is only one Champion for each division. For clarity's sake each division is named based on age, gender and level of play. I have coached at MTOC many times. I dont know where you got the idea that I didnt appreciate that tournament. That is a very wrong assumption.