Boys & Girls ECNL/DA - Can't play nice in the sandbox

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ECNL should break free and US Club Soccer and USYS should consolidate. Have DA and ECNL separate.

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ECNL should break free and US Club Soccer and USYS should consolidate. Have DA and ECNL separate.

US Soccer should just ban clubs like the Stars and FCB and that would go a long way towards solving the problems around here

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Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if the Ecnl clubs broke free and started a new org? I suppose their lower level teams would be barred from playing in other leagues but what really is stop the ecnl clubs from creating a separate league outside of the mothership for their top team?

If the charter said all teams in a club must be in the association, I think that mandate could be successfully challenged legally on an antitrust basis.

Why would they want to? ECNL is autonomous. There is virtually no impact to being a member of USCS.

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Why would they want to? ECNL is autonomous. There is virtually no impact to being a member of USCS.

Make no mistake. The only reason Ecnl is using USCS is because they can't stand alone. Smart clubs will not miss the opportunity of DAP and US soccer is finally in charge. USCS has to play nice if they want to operate with US soccer backing. Even it it means kicking Ecnl to the curb.

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Make no mistake. The only reason Ecnl is using USCS is because they can't stand alone. Smart clubs will not miss the opportunity of DAP and US soccer is finally in charge. USCS has to play nice if they want to operate with US soccer backing. Even it it means kicking Ecnl to the curb.

They can't stand alone because US Soccer is the National Governing Body and, as such, ECNL needs to be a member to be sanctioned. Without sanction, no refs, no insurance, limited field access, etc.

USCS doesn't need to play nice, US Soccer has very little control over what USCS can and can't do - that isn't the way their by laws are written. With some exceptions (eg you need to follow FIFA rules), USCS and USYS function independent of US Soccer.

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Make no mistake. The only reason Ecnl is using USCS is because they can't stand alone. Smart clubs will not miss the opportunity of DAP and US soccer is finally in charge. USCS has to play nice if they want to operate with US soccer backing. Even it it means kicking Ecnl to the curb.

A rose by any other name is still a rose and as long as there are places for competitive players who really cares what it's called. If the goal of US soccer is to improve the top level while improving access through affordability that's fundamentally different than the ecnl being geared to college recruiting and what really is most accessible to children of elite of another sort - wage earners.

It's actually ironic that Stars is a non-profit yet makes a huge profit. GDA if run as a true non-profit can't help but be a success. How many players could $250 k comp? Multiply that by 70. Could NEFC also comp ALL their DA players - absolutely. Will they and others? Even at 50% comp it is a huge win for those players who truly deserve the spot rather than those who can simply afford it.

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Make no mistake. The only reason Ecnl is using USCS is because they can't stand alone. Smart clubs will not miss the opportunity of DAP and US soccer is finally in charge. USCS has to play nice if they want to operate with US soccer backing. Even it it means kicking Ecnl to the curb.

Uh no. The ECNL has announced it will start a boys ENCL league next year.
DAP will go bye bye like ODP. The only clubs, if you are on a pro track, is the MLS teams. The other, filler clubs, may have a hard time keeping top players. ENCL can flip a switch and use the same structure to create a top league. Boys who are on a college path can play HS and get recruited in the same fashion as the girls. don't need to give up your life to soccer and still reach your end goal. Win win.
GDAP has to create a new league, teams, etc...

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Uh no. The ECNL has announced it will start a boys ENCL league next year.
DAP will go bye bye like ODP. The only clubs, if you are on a pro track, is the MLS teams. The other, filler clubs, may have a hard time keeping top players. ENCL can flip a switch and use the same structure to create a top league. Boys who are on a college path can play HS and get recruited in the same fashion as the girls. don't need to give up your life to soccer and still reach your end goal. Win win.
GDAP has to create a new league, teams, etc...

Then ECNL has just declared their death. The "only" difference here is that ODP belongs to USYS. You are all minimizing the US soccer power, the only governing body sanctioned by FIFA in this country. The rest exists because US soccer allowed it to a point we have blow hard like you preaching some nonsense. A flip switch (off) is clubs with power joining DAP and let you hang in a cold. Top clubs from CA gives rats ***** about high school and they already run their clubs all year around without it. MA is nothing in this picture and if you are thinking that other clubs care about stars and FCB, come again.

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Then ECNL has just declared their death. The "only" difference here is that ODP belongs to USYS. You are all minimizing the US soccer power, the only governing body sanctioned by FIFA in this country. The rest exists because US soccer allowed it to a point we have blow hard like you preaching some nonsense. A flip switch (off) is clubs with power joining DAP and let you hang in a cold. Top clubs from CA gives rats ***** about high school and they already run their clubs all year around without it. MA is nothing in this picture and if you are thinking that other clubs care about stars and FCB, come again.

Don't take it so personally. It's just business.
I think the boys ECNL could be very successful and actually hurt the current DA as we know it. If the BECNL is able to accomplish what the GECNL does for their customers, then if I am a player not at at MLS club, I would move. Let's face it, the DAP is dominated by the MLS teams. The other teams in the league can't compete. Why would I want to stay on one of those teams if I don't have to and still get to my end goal?

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Don't take it so personally. It's just business.
I think the boys ECNL could be very successful and actually hurt the current DA as we know it. If the BECNL is able to accomplish what the GECNL does for their customers, then if I am a player not at at MLS club, I would move. Let's face it, the DAP is dominated by the MLS teams. The other teams in the league can't compete. Why would I want to stay on one of those teams if I don't have to and still get to my end goal?

I agree but I don't agree that BDA will go away. Maybe not all non MLS clubs disappear but say in a market like Boston, one of the two non MLS clubs could. It will become smaller but still a powerful force because of the MLS support and quality. BECNL would pull in many of non MLS DA players plus top NPL players and become a good league quite quickly. GECNL has proven it delivers on college exposure and they've also shown families are willing to pay for it. College soccer is the end goal for the vast majority of players. The top D1 prospects or even those rare NT/pro quality players will continue with DA

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I agree but I don't agree that BDA will go away. Maybe not all non MLS clubs disappear but say in a market like Boston, one of the two non MLS clubs could. It will become smaller but still a powerful force because of the MLS support and quality. BECNL would pull in many of non MLS DA players plus top NPL players and become a good league quite quickly. GECNL has proven it delivers on college exposure and they've also shown families are willing to pay for it. College soccer is the end goal for the vast majority of players. The top D1 prospects or even those rare NT/pro quality players will continue with DA

If I tell you that clubs like PDA will be going to DAP. What is your come back?

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If I tell you that clubs like PDA will be going to DAP. What is your come back?

1) Where's the proof? This is TS so I'll believe it when I see it 2) There are other fish in the sea - some will leave, some will join, both leagues will not be as big as 70+ but will be healthy, 3) Never underestimate the soccer parent willing to pay whatever it takes 4) Never underestimate a group fighting for survival

- not the op

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1) Where's the proof? This is TS so I'll believe it when I see it 2) There are other fish in the sea - some will leave, some will join, both leagues will not be as big as 70+ but will be healthy, 3) Never underestimate the soccer parent willing to pay whatever it takes 4) Never underestimate a group fighting for survival

- not the op

If you are involved in high level soccer, you will hear other parents and coaches from other clubs. Without a doubt the talk out there is that some major clubs will be involved in DAP. And believe it or not (and this stinks for MA) the main two reasons are: watered down competition and surprise, surprise... no High School.

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If you are involved in high level soccer, you will hear other parents and coaches from other clubs. Without a doubt the talk out there is that some major clubs will be involved in DAP. And believe it or not (and this stinks for MA) the main two reasons are: watered down competition and surprise, surprise... no High School.

Also not the OP - I believe some big name clubs will be involved with GDA as will big name clubs with BECNL. It's good for consumers to have choices, but the net impact will be a watering down of both leagues. Both sides bear responsibility for the upcoming mess

1) ECNL not responding to its criticisms of inconsistent quality and not relegating poor performers, lack of unified coaching standards, etc. But I also don't blame them b striking back with a boys program - it's a business, survival of the fittest and all that

2) USSF wanting to re-create ECNL with GDA which would have similar issues in terms of being too big and not necessarily beneficial for the top players. Their lack of success on the men's side, along with their lack of support for the WMNT doesn't win them any fans or credibility either.

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Also not the OP - I believe some big name clubs will be involved with GDA as will big name clubs with BECNL. It's good for consumers to have choices, but the net impact will be a watering down of both leagues. Both sides bear responsibility for the upcoming mess

1) ECNL not responding to its criticisms of inconsistent quality and not relegating poor performers, lack of unified coaching standards, etc. But I also don't blame them b striking back with a boys program - it's a business, survival of the fittest and all that

2) USSF wanting to re-create ECNL with GDA which would have similar issues in terms of being too big and not necessarily beneficial for the top players. Their lack of success on the men's side, along with their lack of support for the WMNT doesn't win them any fans or credibility either.

Structurewise:

Stars: WPSL/PDL?, Ecnl, Npl, Nep structure
NEFC: WPSL/PDL?, DA, Npl, Nep structure

It will get interesting if that happens - Seems Stars needs DA to keep US Soccer satisfied