More bad refereeing

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No. The ref are crap in this state. Too old, or too young. HS soccer is a joke because of the old boys club and having 65+ year olds trying to keep up with 18 year olds. Tournaments are the worst because it's even more diluted. I guarantee a ref will come on here and tell me to report the ref or become a ref myself. I don't have time, but certainly would if I could. Making a formal complaint about a ref would be senseless as there is a shortage and they don't want to lose any. It's a shame because there are some good refs out there but they get grouped in with the incompetent ones.

Interesting first statement because among referees, Massachusetts referees and most of the northeast are regarded as quality referees to the rest of the country. Now obviously this is closer to the top because your average referee isn't refereeing out of state all the time.

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And there we have the angry ref post. Reading comprehension is not your strong point. This is a soccer forum where people talk about soccer matter. In this case we're talking about refs. If you don't like it, don't read it. Plain and simple.

I feel that everyone gets this wrong:look at it in a different light.
If a ref is bad, or performingly poorly, unless they are Italian, it should average out equally for both sides. What does being a bad ref really mean? Missed offsides, a non-called handball.
Big deal. And spare me the injury crap; that happens so rarely it's like Kasich's vote total.
This is much ado about nothing. And until the bitchers stop bitching, the coaches stop criticizing, and parents shut up and leave the refs alone, it won't get better.
And I have been coaching for 25 years in multiple states.

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Saw something last weekend in a U10 game I had never seen before. Player took a goal kick and passed it back towards the keeper and it went into the net. It would have won the game for us as it was in the last minute but the referee said no goal and awarded a corner kick. All the parents were in disbelief and even the coach was screaming at the ref. It was total pandemonium. I filed a complaint with the rink manager and told him that this guy was not fit to ref. What a disgrace. He stole a win from our kids. He refused to even talk to the parents or coach after the coach and just walked away.

All I had to read was "U10" to realize that you are an idiot. Besides the fact that you should now know that you are wrong, would your really want your kids team to win a game because of a simple error by a U10 player? Is the win really that important to you? I can only imagine what you will be like when your kid is U15 or U16. Hopefully you grow up by then, but thankfully we will never cross paths.

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I feel that everyone gets this wrong:look at it in a different light.
If a ref is bad, or performingly poorly, unless they are Italian, it should average out equally for both sides. What does being a bad ref really mean? Missed offsides, a non-called handball.
Big deal. And spare me the injury crap; that happens so rarely it's like Kasich's vote total.
This is much ado about nothing. And until the bitchers stop bitching, the coaches stop criticizing, and parents shut up and leave the refs alone, it won't get better.
And I have been coaching for 25 years in multiple states.

This guy is the Kasich of this discussion - will get no support, but he's the rational one. Agree entirely!

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I feel that everyone gets this wrong:look at it in a different light.
If a ref is bad, or performingly poorly, unless they are Italian, it should average out equally for both sides. What does being a bad ref really mean? Missed offsides, a non-called handball.
Big deal. And spare me the injury crap; that happens so rarely it's like Kasich's vote total.
This is much ado about nothing. And until the bitchers stop bitching, the coaches stop criticizing, and parents shut up and leave the refs alone, it won't get better.
And I have been coaching for 25 years in multiple states.

Ref was good = my kids team won

Ref sucked = my kids team lost.

Nothing more complex than that.........

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Ref was good = my kids team won

Ref sucked = my kids team lost.

Nothing more complex than that.........

Except to add much of the bit**ing comes from parents that think they know the rules but in realtiy haven't a clue

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Completely agree with the last few posts. There was a dad on our son's team who used to constantly yell and complain about the refs - every game, throughout all games, no matter what. He would yell things like "the ref has a target on my kid's back!" and "Don't worry, the ref is just picking on you" - stuff like that. SO....I guess this dad thinks that a huge group of refs all across the league were secretly conspiring against this kid, every week, just because?

My son said that the reason why the kid was constantly called out was because he was FOULING all the time. And this was a fellow teammate. He said "mom, what is XXX's dad's problem? XXX keeps fouling and he's not being picked on. The refs are right."

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Completely agree with the last few posts. There was a dad on our son's team who used to constantly yell and complain about the refs - every game, throughout all games, no matter what. He would yell things like "the ref has a target on my kid's back!" and "Don't worry, the ref is just picking on you" - stuff like that. SO....I guess this dad thinks that a huge group of refs all across the league were secretly conspiring against this kid, every week, just because?

My son said that the reason why the kid was constantly called out was because he was FOULING all the time. And this was a fellow teammate. He said "mom, what is XXX's dad's problem? XXX keeps fouling and he's not being picked on. The refs are right."

:) kids usually do know more than the adults

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And there we have the angry ref post. Reading comprehension is not your strong point. This is a soccer forum where people talk about soccer matter. In this case we're talking about refs. If you don't like it, don't read it. Plain and simple.

How is that post different than your post? If you don't like it, don't read it. Plain and simple.

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Is there a limit to the number of times a team can be called for tripping?
If a team A's players continuously beat team B's players in 1v1 challenges only to be tripped up from behind, shouldn't there be a limit to this tactic?

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Refs can give cards for persistent infringement to control the game.

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Is there a limit to the number of times a team can be called for tripping?
If a team A's players continuously beat team B's players in 1v1 challenges only to be tripped up from behind, shouldn't there be a limit to this tactic?

"Persistent infringement" should be called and yellow card given.

I, too, wish it were called more often. As a coach, we try to teach players to try take-ons 1v1, especially in the final third, and it's exasperating when the take-on works BUT the defender does something (trip, shirt tug) to undo the successful take-on and hamper the attack.

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"Persistent infringement" should be called and yellow card given.

I, too, wish it were called more often. As a coach, we try to teach players to try take-ons 1v1, especially in the final third, and it's exasperating when the take-on works BUT the defender does something (trip, shirt tug) to undo the successful take-on and hamper the attack.

Persistent infringement is to be used on individual players but not for collective fouls by a team. Tripping from behind should get a yellow. Or even red if particularly egregious. I've done many games and I have never seen an entire team engage in that behavior.

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Persistent infringement is to be used on individual players but not for collective fouls by a team. Tripping from behind should get a yellow. Or even red if particularly egregious. I've done many games and I have never seen an entire team engage in that behavior.

Smart teams will rotate the fouling duty against a particularly dangerous opponent, and that IS persistent infringement, and a good official will figure this out and card the next miscreant to take his turn fouling the dangerous opponent, even if it is his FIRST such and not particularly card-worthy foul. How else to stop such a tactic?

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Smart teams will rotate the fouling duty against a particularly dangerous opponent, and that IS persistent infringement, and a good official will figure this out and card the next miscreant to take his turn fouling the dangerous opponent, even if it is his FIRST such and not particularly card-worthy foul. How else to stop such a tactic?

I have never seen that in well over 1,000 games officiated. Persistent infringement refers to the actions of a single player. A simple yellow for a trip from behind will suffice. Sometimes more than one or a red forcing a team to play down a man gets the message across.

If I were to see an entire team doing it I would be dealing with the coach primarily and not the players.