Ref question

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Sounds like the ref just had a brain cramp. It happens. A simple "I missed that one" usually is the best approach. I can't imagine he didn't know the law on such a simple or routine play. I am confused about the dedicated GK comment and how it relates to this situation. A goalkeeper must have a uniform that is distinct in color from the field players and a GK may only substitute with consent from the CR. My inferences are important though. Whether the GK is in the box or not is irrelevant. Position of the ball is the only that matters.

= CUjo

Sorry to confuse you, again no inferences necessary, if the GK was out of the area, I would have indicated that, likewise if the ball was handled out of the area; and again, if the GK wasn't properly equipped, etc., I wouldn't have omitted details that explained why the referee ruled as they did.

The "dedicated GK" comment seemed simple enough. This team (U12 D1 in MAYSL) has no player that answers the question "What position do you play?" by saying, "I'm a goalkeeper." The coach couldn't really care less about that, they're loaded with club players, it teaches them the game and forms good teammates, each of them doing their share at all positions. So the point was simply to provide some context about the uncommon nature of play from that position in counterattack that seemed to throw the ref into brain fart stage. It's rare enough that you see coaches encourage play back to the GK's feet, having them lead or join the attack, looking to dribble forward, is something you almost never see at all outdoors, never mind at that age.

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You're wrong, but that's OK. I find posts like this to be an endearing quality of TS.

It's an opportunity to teach, learn and not be a *********, believing you're correct, when you're actually incorrect.

Law 15 is the easiest, most common example to prove the point. For an otherwise legal throw-in that never enters the field of play, in high school, the opponent is awarded a throw-in from the same position; while in your town, club or World Cup match, the player would be permitted to re-take the throw-in from the same position.

Here you go... https://www.nfhs.org/activities-sports/soccer/ (note the linked document entitled "Comparative Study of Rules and Laws").

The rule differences exist but they are minor. I have coached both HS and Club/Town. The differences are inconsequential. You train your teams exactly the same way. The earlier posted implied that they had a major impact on the game. Based upon hundreds of games of experience I disagree.

- Cujo

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Sorry to confuse you, again no inferences necessary, if the GK was out of the area, I would have indicated that, likewise if the ball was handled out of the area; and again, if the GK wasn't properly equipped, etc., I wouldn't have omitted details that explained why the referee ruled as they did.

The "dedicated GK" comment seemed simple enough. This team (U12 D1 in MAYSL) has no player that answers the question "What position do you play?" by saying, "I'm a goalkeeper." The coach couldn't really care less about that, they're loaded with club players, it teaches them the game and forms good teammates, each of them doing their share at all positions. So the point was simply to provide some context about the uncommon nature of play from that position in counterattack that seemed to throw the ref into brain fart stage. It's rare enough that you see coaches encourage play back to the GK's feet, having them lead or join the attack, looking to dribble forward, is something you almost never see at all outdoors, never mind at that age.

Thanks for the clarification. I see this kind of strategy fairly frequently. And it is smart. Everyone needs to experience goal. And future GK's need to have good technical skills so they need to play the field. As an official this should not be confusing. Essentially all you need to remember is that outside the box the GK is a field player. After handling the ball and they put the ball down - wherever they are - they are a field player.

- Cujo

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The rule differences exist but they are minor. I have coached both HS and Club/Town. The differences are inconsequential. You train your teams exactly the same way. The earlier posted implied that they had a major impact on the game. Based upon hundreds of games of experience I disagree.

- Cujo

So from "by the way, there are plenty of silly obscurities" you infer "major impact on the game." Bizarre.

But I appreciate you otherwise reiterating what was stated, just a different way. Differences exist.

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The rule differences exist but they are minor. I have coached both HS and Club/Town. The differences are inconsequential. You train your teams exactly the same way. The earlier posted implied that they had a major impact on the game. Based upon hundreds of games of experience I disagree.

- Cujo

Agree to disagree!

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So from "by the way, there are plenty of silly obscurities" you infer "major impact on the game." Bizarre.

But I appreciate you otherwise reiterating what was stated, just a different way. Differences exist.

The bent of the post was that the rules differences mattered. They don't. If you have experience coaching at multiple levels and disagree that is fine.

- Cujo

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So from "by the way, there are plenty of silly obscurities" you infer "major impact on the game." Bizarre.

But I appreciate you otherwise reiterating what was stated, just a different way. Differences exist.

Biggest difference is the way time is kept. Games being called at full time with teams tied or the attacking team down a goal and with a good scoring chance.

Other big difference is an unwillingness to employ and offside trap and or rely on a stopper/sweeper due to the 2 man vs. 3 man ref system.

No reason for different rules for HS. Makes no sense.

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Biggest difference is the way time is kept. Games being called at full time with teams tied or the attacking team down a goal and with a good scoring chance.

Other big difference is an unwillingness to employ and offside trap and or rely on a stopper/sweeper due to the 2 man vs. 3 man ref system.

No reason for different rules for HS. Makes no sense.

Time outs suck and are an abomination

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Time outs suck and are an abomination

During the 100+ games of HS soccer I coached I probably used them a half dozen times. I think they ruin basketball, work for American football and are useless in hockey. Baseball is basically a long timeout punctuated by sporadic action. I thought they were mostly worthless in HS. Half the time I forgot I even had them available.

- Cujo

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If you need clarification on that, it pretty much sums up why the US sucks at soccer.

It does? The ref was the one who had it wrong. More like this post sums up why TS sucks.

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Agree to disagree!

100% agree

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100% agree

In terms of weight (or, more specifically, overweight), the MIAA football referees yesterday put the soccer guys to shame. At least 2 of the head referees would be classified by any medical professional as Morbidly Obese. Embarrasing.