MAPLE Politics

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Dear God make the stupid stop.

Occam's razor applies here and yes, stupid is the answer. Just people being stupid. Not an agenda against a club, not deceit or subterfuge by an anonymous poster, not any that because it pays.

The commentary about club soccer in prior post said what it said, it didn't say something else, wasn't written by someone of significance, or with some other implied motivation or purpose mind.

So you say but you really ought to put the issue in the proper context. For the last several years we've had Perspective's little crusade against btdt because supposedly he had a bias against the Stars and ECNL and Perspective felt he had to protect the TS community from that bias. That crusade has almost shut down this forum at times and certainly stalled any conversation about this specific issue. Now the interesting thing is when you look at what you are writing and what btdt wrote, the only substantive difference is the name of the club and the league. That really just a function of time and the evolution of the situation. Both of you have been saying things are broken and for pretty much the same reasons. The point that I was trying to get at is that by pointing the finger at NEFC like you are you are opening the door for the next whack job like Perspective to similarly stop the discussion to deflect attention away from their club and the broader issue never gets talked about. Unless your intent is just to scathe NEFC you really need to see that the issue really involves the whole USCS side of things not just one club or one league. The USCS as a sanctioning entity is what is really creating the problems. It's their concept of what a club is that is really not translating here and was it at the heart of the problem. Unlike USYSA which is more team centric, in the USCS world there really should only be one or two super clubs in the entire state if not the region and all of the "little" clubs should actually not exist or be absorbed into them. It the very essence of the big club mindset and as a result they don't handle the natural inter club competition well when clubs overlap each other like we have in this area. The basic problem USCS has created is they have flattened everything out by sanctioning too many redundant leagues and that has seriously watered down the level of competition. NEFC and Stars as well as all of the clubs that are with them are now stuck in limbo in a system that clearly doesn't work. The problem really is at the USCS level not the club.

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So you say but you really ought to put the issue in the proper context. For the last several years we've had Perspective's little crusade against btdt because supposedly he had a bias against the Stars and ECNL and Perspective felt he had to protect the TS community from that bias. That crusade has almost shut down this forum at times and certainly stalled any conversation about this specific issue. Now the interesting thing is when you look at what you are writing and what btdt wrote, the only substantive difference is the name of the club and the league. That really just a function of time and the evolution of the situation. Both of you have been saying things are broken and for pretty much the same reasons. The point that I was trying to get at is that by pointing the finger at NEFC like you are you are opening the door for the next whack job like Perspective to similarly stop the discussion to deflect attention away from their club and the broader issue never gets talked about. Unless your intent is just to scathe NEFC you really need to see that the issue really involves the whole USCS side of things not just one club or one league. The USCS as a sanctioning entity is what is really creating the problems. It's their concept of what a club is that is really not translating here and was it at the heart of the problem. Unlike USYSA which is more team centric, in the USCS world there really should only be one or two super clubs in the entire state if not the region and all of the "little" clubs should actually not exist or be absorbed into them. It the very essence of the big club mindset and as a result they don't handle the natural inter club competition well when clubs overlap each other like we have in this area. The basic problem USCS has created is they have flattened everything out by sanctioning too many redundant leagues and that has seriously watered down the level of competition. NEFC and Stars as well as all of the clubs that are with them are now stuck in limbo in a system that clearly doesn't work. The problem really is at the USCS level not the club.

If you think I'm reading that diatribe (I hit perspective and btdt and stopped), you're crazy.

"So you say but" is really all I had to read actually. There was no 'improper' context to my original comment that got you're panties realised up. Ironically, I don't have an agenda problem, I've explained so (and more than once wasn't necessary); but clearly you do. Now you've pivoted from mistaken inference to a soliloquy.

GgRun with it, enjoy, but I won't be joining you.

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If you think I'm reading that diatribe (I hit perspective and btdt and stopped), you're crazy.

"So you say but" is really all I had to read actually. There was no 'improper' context to my original comment that got you're panties realised up. Ironically, I don't have an agenda problem, I've explained so (and more than once wasn't necessary); but clearly you do. Now you've pivoted from mistaken inference to a soliloquy.

Run with it, enjoy, but I won't be joining you.

Your panties twisted*

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True in fact, but misleading in spirit. Let's start by distinguishing NEP and NPL (I know from a branding perspective that's not the goal, but then there's the reality).

NEFC, ***like other NEP affiliated clubs***, has PLENTY of incredibly average to outright crappy teams (as in, lose big in their own tournament to town entries), effectively an open door without cutting players with those parents subsidizing the operational costs for the teams above.

That's the club business model, ***NEP or anyone*** else, that ***EVERY club is guilty of on some level***. Is NEP more exclusive than MAPLE? Yes, but as much as anything it's because the marketplace provided the opportunity. Any argument that ignores the bigger NEP and its member ***clubs*** get (***like MAPLE*** became), the more diluted it will (has) become would be a delusional one.

For the reading-comprehension-challenged.

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If you think I'm reading that diatribe (I hit perspective and btdt and stopped), you're crazy.

"So you say but" is really all I had to read actually. There was no 'improper' context to my original comment that got you're panties realised up. Ironically, I don't have an agenda problem, I've explained so (and more than once wasn't necessary); but clearly you do. Now you've pivoted from mistaken inference to a soliloquy.

GgRun with it, enjoy, but I won't be joining you.

If you read posts instead of just the first couple of lines you might have found that you are both saying pretty much the same thing only difference is the other poster is saying just keep the clubs out of it cause that just causes fights.

Stephen Covey " Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood"

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For the reading-comprehension-challenged.

You must be intellectually challenged then if you don't understand what the other poster's point was and that the issue really goes beyond the club level. You are criticizing NEFC but the same situation exists with all of the US Club Soccer clubs. They are all following the same business model.

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You must be intellectually challenged then if you don't understand what the other poster's point was and that the issue really goes beyond the club level. You are criticizing NEFC but the same situation exists with all of the US Club Soccer clubs. They are all following the same business model.

Might be the dumbest post I've read all year.

Even if initially misunderstood (which to some extent, as noted by the quote with asterisks, is weak-minded), I clarified it was (a) not a criticism of NEFC, (b) encompassing of "all club's", and (c) offered specific reference to the league and marketplace, separate from any club, that unless you're an ignorant fool, was an obvious commentary relating to USCS.

The rub here is, there's absolutely no disagreement. None. Just a conflict invented where none exists. Inferences made about a post, despite repeated and ignored clarifications, just because the initial message needs be echoed and remain intact.

Cognitive dissonance, ugly in politics, ugly in relationships, even ugly in TS, is the hallmark of the weak-minded.

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True in fact, but misleading in spirit. Let's start by distinguishing NEP and NPL (I know from a branding perspective that's not the goal, but then there's the reality). NEFC, like other NEP affiliated clubs, has PLENTY of incredibly average to outright crappy teams (as in, lose big in their own tournament to town entries), effectively an open door without cutting players with those parents subsidizing the operational costs for the teams above. That's the club business model, NEP or anyone else, that EVERY club is guilty of on some level. Is NEP more exclusive than MAPLE? Yes, but as much as anything it's because the marketplace provided the opportunity. Any argument that ignores the bigger NEP and its member clubs get (like MAPLE became), the more diluted it will (has) become would be a delusional one.

No this one was actually the dumbest post because you are harping on NEFC, NEP and the NPL and clearly don't see the bigger picture and that was the point of the initial post below.

Let's not just keep harping on NEFC shall we. Stars have plenty of crappy teams as well. The problem is things are just too watered down. It is universal, not just confined to one club or one league.

You seem to see NEP as having some sort of influence here when the reality is NEP is just an extension of one specific group of clubs. NEP is just a tail being wagged by them. This group of clubs is being empowered by whom to create what is going on around us? US Club Soccer. Now you might want to go do a little research who are actually the movers and shakers behind USCS in this region before you start getting all high and mighty.

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You seem to see...

NEP as having some sort of influence here when the reality is NEP is just an extension of...

This group of clubs is being empowered by whom to create what is going on around us? US Club Soccer...

"That's the club business model, NEP or anyone else, that EVERY club is guilty of..."

Cognitive dissonance indeed.

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No this one was actually the dumbest post because you are harping on NEFC, NEP and the NPL and clearly don't see the bigger picture and that was the point of the initial post below.

You seem to see NEP as having some sort of influence here when the reality is NEP is just an extension of one specific group of clubs. NEP is just a tail being wagged by them. This group of clubs is being empowered by whom to create what is going on around us? US Club Soccer. Now you might want to go do a little research who are actually the movers and shakers behind USCS in this region before you start getting all high and mighty.

No (I'm not harping, not failing to see the big picture, continually refuted that claim made in the reply and corrected accordingly). The big picture is club soccer and pay to play generally, and not even USCS, which is a by product or extension of that because of the macro environmnt, likewise it's not about anything one particular club is doing or not doing.

No, as the prior post indicates, my words said the opposite. No indication was even implied that NEP has "some sort of influence."

Stop being a stupid *******.

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No this one was actually the dumbest post because you are harping on NEFC, NEP and the NPL and clearly don't see the bigger picture and that was the point of the initial post below.



You seem to see NEP as having some sort of influence here when the reality is NEP is just an extension of one specific group of clubs. NEP is just a tail being wagged by them. This group of clubs is being empowered by whom to create what is going on around us? US Club Soccer. Now you might want to go do a little research who are actually the movers and shakers behind USCS in this region before you start getting all high and mighty.

Sorry, could you quote me again to remind me that I was the one who typed that we even need to distinguish between NEP and NPL in this discussion?

The stupid doesn't stop.

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"That's the club business model, NEP or anyone else, that EVERY club is guilty of..."

Cognitive dissonance indeed.

No, you specifically seem to pointing fingers at NEFC for controlling NEP and just have a throw away line you think gets you off the hook. The fact is you really don't understand the politics involved here at all and are erroneously pointing fingers. Answer these questions. Who really got the ball rolling with NEP? Organizationally, why did they push for it? Why did NEP switch from USYSA to USCS? Who pushed for it? Who from around here sits on the USCS board? What is their interest in NEP?

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No, you specifically seem to pointing fingers at NEFC for controlling NEP and just have a throw away line you think gets you off the hook. The fact is you really don't understand the politics involved here at all and are erroneously pointing fingers. Answer these questions. Who really got the ball rolling with NEP? Organizationally, why did they push for it? Why did NEP switch from USYSA to USCS? Who pushed for it? Who from around here sits on the USCS board? What is their interest in NEP?

The Bradley's and MPS were the ones that created the synergy behind NEP. They needed a league to have their empire play in once the Super Y flamed out in this part of the country. They went with US Youth Soccer at first because US Club Soccer really hadn't evolved into much yet. Philosophically the mindset behind NEP though has always been more in line with US Club philosophies than US Youth.

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No, you specifically seem to pointing fingers at NEFC for controlling NEP and just have a throw away line you think gets you off the hook.

The fact is you really don't understand the politics involved here at all and are erroneously pointing fingers.

Answer these questions. Who really got the ball rolling with NEP? Organizationally, why did they push for it? Why did NEP switch from USYSA to USCS? Who pushed for it? Who from around here sits on the USCS board? What is their interest in NEP?

No, again, for the umpteenth time, didn't "point a finger" at NEFC in my initial post; and for the umpteenth time, even if it was taken that way, I've clarified umpteen times that I wasn't criticizing them, didn't exclude any other club from the observation being made. I don't consider numerous posts offering this explanation to be a throw away line. This part of the conflict is delusion and defiance on your part. Stop acting like a child.

Please don't say "the fact is" when you're stating an opinion. I hate that.

Try not to use the word "erroneously" when you characterize someone else's words or actions...erroneously.

Happy to answer those questions, but you want to take this to a different place. That's been your agenda all along. It makes me wish I never said NEFC in my initial post, makes me wish I said MPS instead, makes me wish I named JH individually, makes me wish I offered no "throw away lines" encompassing all of club soccer, all leagues other than NEP, etc., etc., etc. I'd be arguing with a different **** for brains right now.

There, happy?

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