State Cup Seedings

[Unregistered]

According to the SC seeding Procedure, "..teams choosing to have their previous year’s State Cup results used for the current year’s seeding MUST demonstrate continuity of roster from the previous year’s Cup roster to the current year’s Cup roster." This seems pretty clear, yet seedings were done and some teams that were seeded high (top 8) have yet to prove the continuity.

Question 1: How does the seeding procedure work, if teams are seeded without having submitted continuity?

Question 2: If one of these teams cannot prove the continuity, what happens?

[Unregistered]

According to the SC seeding Procedure, "..teams choosing to have their previous year’s State Cup results used for the current year’s seeding MUST demonstrate continuity of roster from the previous year’s Cup roster to the current year’s Cup roster." This seems pretty clear, yet seedings were done and some teams that were seeded high (top 8) have yet to prove the continuity.

Question 1: How does the seeding procedure work, if teams are seeded without having submitted continuity?

Question 2: If one of these teams cannot prove the continuity, what happens?

How would you know if teams have not submitted continuity? This has to be done at time of appliction.

[Unregistered]

US YOUTH SOCCER NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES
MASSACHUSETTS STATE CUPS STRUCTURE


SEEDING
Top 4 seeds go straight to Round Robin round
Next 4 seeds go to final round of Challenge matches
Next 16 seeds are bracketed and play down to get to 4 teams
Any teams beyond 24 must play off against lowest of the 24 seeds to get to 1st Challenge round.
If less than 24 teams, byes will be given starting at seed 9
1st seed - STATE CUP CHAMPION FROM PREVIOUS YEAR
2nd seed - STATE CUP FINALIST FROM PREVIOUS YEAR
Seeds 3-8 to be determined by the State Cup Committee using prior year’s State Cup and league
results.* Next slots to be seeded from Division 1 teams not already seeded.
Division 2 teams will be seeded by a blind draw.
All remaining teams who declare for State Cup will be seeded by a separate blind draw.
The State Cup Committee shall be composed of the National Challenge Cup Director, and two
people selected by the National Challenge Cup Director. The National Challenge Cup Director
reserves the right to modify this procedure in the best interest of the tournament.
*State Cup teams choosing to have their previous year’s State Cup results used for the current
year’s seeding MUST demonstrate continuity of roster from the previous year’s Cup roster to
the current year’s Cup roster.


CONTINUITY OF ROSTERS for U14-U18 teams

General Guidelines
State Cup teams choosing to have their previous year’s State Cup results used for the current year’s seeding MUST demonstrate continuity of roster from the previous year’s Cup roster to the current year’s Cup roster. To demonstrate continuity of roster, a minimum of 30% of the players from the team’s previous year’s State Cup roster (that is on file with Mass Youth Soccer) must be on the team’s current State Cup roster. The coach/club must certify the continuity of roster when the State Cup application is submitted.

All teams certifying their continuity of roster (at the time of declaring for State Cup) will have their roster reviewed. Teams must submit their roster to the National Cup Director and the State Registrar 72 hours prior to their roster freeze date. At this time, the Cup Director will review the current Cup roster with the previous year’s Cup roster. Rosters that meet the continuity of roster requirement will be signed by the State Cup Registrar and returned to the team contact. Changes can be made up to the roster freeze date, providing the team maintains the 30% continuity requirement. Teams not maintaining the continuity of roster requirement (that is, have less than the declared 30% minimum requirement) will forfeit out of State Cup and be required to pay a $1500.00 forfeit fee.

Teams not using the continuity of roster will be seeded without the use of last year’s Cup results.


Teams Changing Club Affiliation
Teams who change club affiliation and have a minimum 75% of their previous year’s Cup Roster may request to use that team’s previous year’s Cup results for the current year’s seeding. The coach/club must certify that the team meets this 75% minimum requirement when the State Cup application is submitted.

All teams certifying they have a minimum of 75% of last year’s roster (at the time of declaring for State Cup) will have their roster reviewed. Teams must submit their roster to the National Cup Director and the State Registrar 72 hours prior to their roster freeze date. At this time, the Cup Director will review the current Cup roster with the previous year’s Cup roster. Rosters that meet the 75% requirement will be signed by the State Cup Registrar and returned to the team contact. Changes can be made up to the roster freeze date, providing the team maintains the 75% continuity requirement. Teams not maintaining the 75% requirement (that is, have less than the declared 75% minimum requirement) will forfeit out of State Cup and be required to pay a $1500.00 forfeit fee.

Teams not meeting this 75% requirement will be considered with all of the teams that apply and be seeded accordingly without the use of any prior results.

The National Cup Director reserves the right to modify this policy in the best interest of the tournament.


30%
minimum 30% of players
2008 Cup roster from the team’s 2008 roster

18 players 6 players
17 players 6 player
16 players 5 players
15 players 5 players

19 players 6 players
20 players 6 players
21 players 7 players
22 players 7 players


75% (teams changing affiliation)

2008 Cup roster minimum 75% of players
from the team’s 2008 roster

18 players 14 players
17 players 13 players
16 players 12 players
15 players 12 players

19 players 15 players
20 players 15 players
21 players 16 players
22 players 17 players

[Unregistered]

This seems pretty clear, yet seedings were done and some teams that were seeded high (top 8) have yet to prove the continuity.

What do you base YOUR accusations on?

[Soccer 101]

Rosters

What do you base YOUR accusations on?

I know for a fact that the Fuller U-15 girls team does not have 30% of last years roster. 2 girls left at the most.

[Soccer101]

I know for a fact that the Fuller U-15 girls team does not have 30% of last years roster. 2 girls left at the most.

Actually I wrote too soon! Just went to the Hamlets web site and they have 11 players listed on the web site. Not a single one from the last years team!

[Unregistered]

From State Cup site:

All teams certifying their continuity of roster (at the time of declaring for State Cup) will have their roster reviewed. Teams must submit their roster to the National Cup Director and the State Registrar 72 hours prior to their roster freeze date. At this time, the Cup Director will review the current Cup roster with the previous year’s Cup roster. Rosters that meet the continuity of roster requirement will be signed by the State Cup Registrar and returned to the team contact. Changes can be made up to the roster freeze date, providing the team maintains the 30% continuity requirement. Teams not maintaining the continuity of roster requirement (that is, have less than the declared 30% minimum requirement) will forfeit out of State Cup and be required to pay a $1500.00 forfeit fee.

[Unregistered]

Actually I wrote too soon! Just went to the Hamlets web site and they have 11 players listed on the web site. Not a single one from the last years team!

State Cup rosters don't have to mirror the league roster, and aren't due until the day they play thier first game. How do you know that they won't have the required number of returning players (at least on paper) when it comes to game time?

[Unregistered]

State Cup rosters don't have to mirror the league roster, and aren't due until the day they play thier first game. How do you know that they won't have the required number of returning players (at least on paper) when it comes to game time?

They are all playing for other teams now! It's not going to happen! Even the grandaughter of the founder jumped ship to the U-17 team!

[gilmour belle]

They are NOT required to have continuity of roster.

Read the rules.

quote: "Teams not using the continuity of roster will be seeded without the use of last year’s Cup results."

[Unregistered]

They are all playing for other teams now! It's not going to happen! Even the grandaughter of the founder jumped ship to the U-17 team!

The one that plays at Holy Name? She is an excellent player. I thought she was older than U15 anyway.

[Unregistered]

Actually I wrote too soon! Just went to the Hamlets web site and they have 11 players listed on the web site. Not a single one from the last years team!

Sorry 101, but no "gotcha" there. They are not in any violation.

[Unregistered]

The old U14 team basically folded. The slot was taken by the "B" team and that is why you see all the new players.

[Unregistered]

How about Puma u13?

[Beachbum]

How about Puma u13?

No way that they have enough returning players.....