End of Club soccer as we know it in New England

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DOH! Stars B team parents, more likely. It's aggravating as hell when JD recruits externally when there are girls worked their a**ses off in his own club, and who are as good or better than the players he brings in from the outside (and often a few of the players he has.)

Except that isn't the case here.

There hasn't been much turnover on this team. The few players that have been brought in, both permanent roster and for single games have been from within the club (maybe one from outside?). Most of them from the Athletics (NPL) team.

This was taken from another thread simply to show that this debate even rages within the clubs themselves. This isn't just a club vs club thing.

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There are no "best" teams only redundant top teams. In the absence of a state cup that everyone participates in your logic for proving who is best is simply based on a popularity contest.

Your idea that the best players are gravitating towards the best teams is simply not accurate. If you know the talent in your D's age group like you claim, make a list of the top ten players in the state and then list the teams they are on. I will be surprised if even a majority of those players are all in one realm, let alone one team. If you say otherwise you either don't know the talent as well as you think or you are kidding yourself that what you see around you is representative of the best.

Your other notion that the two paths are equal is not true either. No matter how you slice it one path requires more travel than the other. Regardless of where you personally fall on that issue, you need to account that it is a divisive issue that will drive talent in one direction or another.

See, here we go. Now even giving him "equal" paths isn't enough. He's always hungry for more.

And you can't say the best players gravitate towards the same places because, by definition, if you do make that claim, you have proven that you have no idea what you are talking about. Once he gets you in the corn maze and spins you around a few times you won't be able to get out until you parrot his magic words (whatever they happen to be that day).

You're kidding yourself. You're drinking koolaid. You've got rose-colored glasses. If you say you know what you are talking about you don't. Unless of course you drink his brand of koolaid and promise never to drink any other brand again. No one on this board can possibly know what this guy knows, so you are quite literally and functionally banging your head against a wall to think otherwise. Clearly. Transparently. Obviously.

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HE started the discussion about dilution. He's got you so confused you think you were talking about it. His only interest in dilution IS to deflate anything having to do with Stars. That's his whole point. Understand the narrative. Once he's gotten you to believe that there is a dilution issue, to the point that you just assume it is true without question, he's got you right where he wanted to get you for what really ails him.

If dilution is not a reality why do Stars B team parents believe they should be on the ECNL team like that quote above? Are you going to call them stupid and delusional for looking at a team in their own club and saying the line between their teams is so blurred they believe their players belong on it? Or are you just going to say that they are actually an NEFC plant so you can feed your little conspiracy fantasy?

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See, here we go. Now even giving him "equal" paths isn't enough. He's always hungry for more.

And you can't say the best players gravitate towards the same places because, by definition, if you do make that claim, you have proven that you have no idea what you are talking about. Once he gets you in the corn maze and spins you around a few times you won't be able to get out until you parrot his magic words (whatever they happen to be that day).

You're kidding yourself. You're drinking koolaid. You've got rose-colored glasses. If you say you know what you are talking about you don't. Unless of course you drink his brand of koolaid and promise never to drink any other brand again. No one on this board can possibly know what this guy knows, so you are quite literally and functionally banging your head against a wall to think otherwise. Clearly. Transparently. Obviously.

What you fail to realize is that you are clearly drinking koolaid and that obviously you can't comprehend the equal paths because your rose colored glasses are not transparent enough to make you realize that the clamp on your hose is not tight enough.

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If dilution is not a reality why do Stars B team parents believe they should be on the ECNL team like that quote above? Are you going to call them stupid and delusional for looking at a team in their own club and saying the line between their teams is so blurred they believe their players belong on it? Or are you just going to say that they are actually an NEFC plant so you can feed your little conspiracy fantasy?

What I think is that like you always do you picked something out of another thread way out of context and are trying to apply it here as though it is relevant to boost your tired thesis.

Post count today for you?

Where you at on the obsession meter?

And if you achieved dilution through your hard work why knocking it now? Because that was never your agenda, right? Dilution is the grand smokescreen, which you already revealed. It's all about NEFC and those 2 kids that left NEFC at U13 that is still a hair in your butt.

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There are no "best" teams only redundant top teams. In the absence of a state cup that everyone participates in your logic for proving who is best is simply based on a popularity contest.

Your idea that the best players are gravitating towards the best teams is simply not accurate. If you know the talent in your D's age group like you claim, make a list of the top ten players in the state and then list the teams they are on. I will be surprised if even a majority of those players are all in one realm, let alone one team. If you say otherwise you either don't know the talent as well as you think or you are kidding yourself that what you see around you is representative of the best.

Your other notion that the two paths are equal is not true either. No matter how you slice it one path requires more travel than the other. Regardless of where you personally fall on that issue, you need to account that it is a divisive issue that will drive talent in one direction or another.

1) We don't need to know which team is best to know who the best 4-5 teams are.

2) I never claimed they were all on one team, or all in one realm. But, they are all on the top 4-5 teams.

3) Of course the top ten players are on multiple teams - there has never been a year where everyone was on only one team.

4) I will concede that there are divisive issues that drive talent in both directions (see how I did that without disparaging either path?). The point is irrelevant. There were always divisive issues that drove talent in different directions - eg image, coaches reputation, practice location, etc. And that goes back to number 3. Yes the talent is divided, it is divided among the top 4-5 teams like it always has been.

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Perspective is on a rampage. Posting at a feverish pace and then replying to his own posts. SSDD.

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Perspective is on a rampage. Posting at a feverish pace and then replying to his own posts. SSDD.

Must be a good vacation.

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If dilution is not a reality why do Stars B team parents believe they should be on the ECNL team like that quote above? Are you going to call them stupid and delusional for looking at a team in their own club and saying the line between their teams is so blurred they believe their players belong on it? Or are you just going to say that they are actually an NEFC plant so you can feed your little conspiracy fantasy?

How does this have anything to do with dilution?

I don't know a B team out there where the top players don't think they belong on the A team.

Add in the fact that these teams used to be close before they combined into ECNL/Athletics at u15 and the fact that they haven't played or scrimmaged in 2 years.

This team is no different than any other team on separate paths. They know where they stand on their path - the NPL team is top 3 in the age group, along with NEFC. Stars Athletics, NEFC and Scorpions (u14 year) are the only 3 teams that have been in the State Cup finals in this age group.

It is less clear where they stand vs. the other path (except in this case there are coaches who have placed players on teams so they do have one more point of comparison).

But it doesn't matter for the issue of dilution. We know the top 4 teams in the age group and that's where the top players almost all are.

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Let's keep this simple. Who are the best players in the state

17 Stars player
16 NEFC player
15 Stars or NEFC player
14 Stars or Aztec player

Is each of them on THE best team in the state?

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What about the Fuller Hamlets. They are good too.

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Let's keep this simple. Who are the best players in the state

17 Stars player
16 NEFC player
15 Stars or NEFC player
14 Stars or Aztec player

Is each of them on THE best team in the state?

No thanks. Not interested in the ensuing team or player bashing that will ensue.

Again, it doesn't matter who the top team in the state is. You've identified teams that are all in the top 4 teams in the state in their age groups.

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No thanks. Not interested in the ensuing team or player bashing that will ensue.

Again, it doesn't matter who the top team in the state is. You've identified teams that are all in the top 4 teams in the state in their age groups.

In the age group I know - the answer is yes, without a doubt.

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No thanks. Not interested in the ensuing team or player bashing that will ensue.

Again, it doesn't matter who the top team in the state is. You've identified teams that are all in the top 4 teams in the state in their age groups.

Wasn't the whole premise that the best play on the best? That was how it worked in the past, you never saw a Mewis or Brock on a second place team.

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Wasn't the whole premise that the best play on the best? That was how it worked in the past, you never saw a Mewis or Brock on a second place team.

There may be some chicken and egg at work there, too. Those players never played on a really weak team, but they were also so good that any halfway decent team they went to would immediately become very strong, and that would attract the next wave of strong players, etc.