Prouty out at SNHU

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Here are the hometowns of the local girls playing for Bryant. Let's see if we can figure out who's dad is popping off here and what club spawned them?

Newton
Sudbury
Lynnfield
Kingston, NH
Natick
Plymouth
Norwell
Sutton
Acton
Londonderry, NH
Acton
E Bridgewater

It would have to be an out of state dad. One from New York, one from New Jersey.

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How many low level D1 and D2 programs fully fund their scholarships? My guess is that it is far fewer than most realize.

I am unaware that there are any D1s that don't. Do you have information otherwise?

The reason colleges move to D1 sure as heck is not because of their women's sports programs, but because of Title IX, the D1s do have to fund their women's scholarships, otherwise their men's programs would be in trouble. As is the case with Bryant, their men's basketball, baseball and lacrosse have seen some success. Lacrosse is nationally ranked, and the assistant coach of the basketball is some guy named Al Skinner. Maybe you've heard of him?

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So who is in the running to be the next Bryant coach?

If only. The coach is coaching outside his ability. The 9 1 goal losses is indicative.

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I am unaware that there are any D1s that don't. Do you have information otherwise?

The reason colleges move to D1 sure as heck is not because of their women's sports programs, but because of Title IX, the D1s do have to fund their women's scholarships, otherwise their men's programs would be in trouble. As is the case with Bryant, their men's basketball, baseball and lacrosse have seen some success. Lacrosse is nationally ranked, and the assistant coach of the basketball is some guy named Al Skinner. Maybe you've heard of him?

I think that is an overly simplistic view of Title 9. The link is eye opening.

http://espn.go.com/espnw/title-ix/ar...myths-title-ix

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But it is and the Albany/St Rose example is a very good example that it is farther from the truth than those who think otherwise can prove. Again, we've had this discussion before and more examples were given. I don't have time to search this forum to find those examples again and it certainly makes no difference to me if you and others want to believe the top D2s can beat the bottom D1s. It only indicates that you really don't understand the difference between the two levels of college soccer. There was a time that it may have been true in the past, but the athletic scholarship structure has changed that. It's no different than the days when Assumption College competed in men's basketball against PC and Holy Cross or when Holy Cross football competed with BC. Those days are long gone and it is because of athletic scholarships.

You are being very nieve using athletic scholarship dollars as an argument. The amount of academic grant and scholarship money given to soccer players dwarfs the athletic dollars. Most kids who are being recruited to D2 and D3 schools to play soccer are being given large financial packages orchestrated through the soccer coach and AD. If you have decent grades and SAT scores and the coach wants you they will dig up all kinds of money. Very few players at D1 schools are getting 50% scholarships yet many players who play at D2 and D3 schools are getting aid equal to 50% or greater.

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You are being very nieve using athletic scholarship dollars as an argument. The amount of academic grant and scholarship money given to soccer players dwarfs the athletic dollars. Most kids who are being recruited to D2 and D3 schools to play soccer are being given large financial packages orchestrated through the soccer coach and AD. If you have decent grades and SAT scores and the coach wants you they will dig up all kinds of money. Very few players at D1 schools are getting 50% scholarships yet many players who play at D2 and D3 schools are getting aid equal to 50% or greater.

You don't think D1s get academic money???

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You are being very nieve using athletic scholarship dollars as an argument. The amount of academic grant and scholarship money given to soccer players dwarfs the athletic dollars. Most kids who are being recruited to D2 and D3 schools to play soccer are being given large financial packages orchestrated through the soccer coach and AD. If you have decent grades and SAT scores and the coach wants you they will dig up all kinds of money. Very few players at D1 schools are getting 50% scholarships yet many players who play at D2 and D3 schools are getting aid equal to 50% or greater.

What an odd argument. D1s and D2 have all of the aid tools available to D3s plus they have athletic money. D2s have less athletic money than D1s.

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You are being very nieve using athletic scholarship dollars as an argument. The amount of academic grant and scholarship money given to soccer players dwarfs the athletic dollars. Most kids who are being recruited to D2 and D3 schools to play soccer are being given large financial packages orchestrated through the soccer coach and AD. If you have decent grades and SAT scores and the coach wants you they will dig up all kinds of money. Very few players at D1 schools are getting 50% scholarships yet many players who play at D2 and D3 schools are getting aid equal to 50% or greater.

If a player is getting financial aid, they will have to apply To FAFSA. Doesn't matter if it's a D1 or 3 or NAIA. The Federal Gov. Will send back what they expect you to pay a year(not what you get, what you pay). Every schools final cost is different. Doesn't matter if X college costs 100,000 yr or Y college costs 5,000. If the FAFSA says you are responsible for 2,000. Then at X you get 98,000 in aid, and at Y you would get 3,000 in aid. No mater what your paying 2000. If a school has a large endowment you could get a little something from them, but now it's coming off the total that Feds would pay. If X comes up with another 1000, and call it a leadership scholarship. The Feds would now pay 97,000 to the school, the school picks up the 1000, and you still pay 2000. Can schools go back and adjust numbers to get you some more? Yes! In my 20 years at D1,2,and 3, it has never gone up more than 3%. There are 3 roads to a full ride. # 1- be so poor they have no choice. #2- your wicked smaht, and get 100 % academic. #3- your one of the top 75-100 players in the country, or you negotiated well with the coach. Lastly you say if the coach wants you, at D 1,2,or 3 they can find money. That is a myth. Every coach in America has access to the same little pay out specialty scholarships, that not for profits give out at every school that fits that schools particular areas of study.(example DECA: if you did in HS, and the college offers marketing or entrepreneurship you can get 500, and if you were a DECA officer you get 1000). Any student athlete can apply. The difference is the good coaches do the work for the kid, and becomes the scholarship fairy everyone thinks patrols the collegiate soccer fields. Every school wants these parents and players to think that they got it because they are special. Now they walk away and tell everyone who will listen that the school wanted their player so bad they found more to make it work. Higher education is a business, and that is a business negotiating tactic. The Sox are doing a similar strategy now with Lester. Start negotiation early in spring training, make a ridiculously low offer. Then back of for a while, and get the player to start thinking its not gonna happen. Then sweep in with your big gesture that gets you close to where you wanted to be. Before you know it you're in the book store buying a bumper sticker and sweatshirt, and feeling like you won. Before I get the NESCAC crap thrown at me. Of course those schools are giving out lots of academic $. They have lots of it. The standard for academic money in these schools is high, but so are the requirements to get in. If its a 3.8 gpa for 50% academic scholarship, it also takes about the same to get in to the school. So basically you get in, your getting a scholarship. Unless your dirt poor. Then the Feds will ay everything.

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If a player is getting financial aid, they will have to apply To FAFSA. Doesn't matter if it's a D1 or 3 or NAIA. The Federal Gov. Will send back what they expect you to pay a year(not what you get, what you pay). Every schools final cost is different. Doesn't matter if X college costs 100,000 yr or Y college costs 5,000. If the FAFSA says you are responsible for 2,000. Then at X you get 98,000 in aid, and at Y you would get 3,000 in aid. No mater what your paying 2000. If a school has a large endowment you could get a little something from them, but now it's coming off the total that Feds would pay. If X comes up with another 1000, and call it a leadership scholarship. The Feds would now pay 97,000 to the school, the school picks up the 1000, and you still pay 2000. Can schools go back and adjust numbers to get you some more? Yes! In my 20 years at D1,2,and 3, it has never gone up more than 3%. There are 3 roads to a full ride. # 1- be so poor they have no choice. #2- your wicked smaht, and get 100 % academic. #3- your one of the top 75-100 players in the country, or you negotiated well with the coach. Lastly you say if the coach wants you, at D 1,2,or 3 they can find money. That is a myth. Every coach in America has access to the same little pay out specialty scholarships, that not for profits give out at every school that fits that schools particular areas of study.(example DECA: if you did in HS, and the college offers marketing or entrepreneurship you can get 500, and if you were a DECA officer you get 1000). Any student athlete can apply. The difference is the good coaches do the work for the kid, and becomes the scholarship fairy everyone thinks patrols the collegiate soccer fields. Every school wants these parents and players to think that they got it because they are special. Now they walk away and tell everyone who will listen that the school wanted their player so bad they found more to make it work. Higher education is a business, and that is a business negotiating tactic. The Sox are doing a similar strategy now with Lester. Start negotiation early in spring training, make a ridiculously low offer. Then back of for a while, and get the player to start thinking its not gonna happen. Then sweep in with your big gesture that gets you close to where you wanted to be. Before you know it you're in the book store buying a bumper sticker and sweatshirt, and feeling like you won. Before I get the NESCAC crap thrown at me. Of course those schools are giving out lots of academic $. They have lots of it. The standard for academic money in these schools is high, but so are the requirements to get in. If its a 3.8 gpa for 50% academic scholarship, it also takes about the same to get in to the school. So basically you get in, your getting a scholarship. Unless your dirt poor. Then the Feds will ay everything.

Except the NESCACs don't give academic money. They reportedly are typically generous in terms of financial aid.

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Except the NESCACs don't give academic money. They reportedly are typically generous in terms of financial aid.

I did over simplify a bit, but the "generous top off of aid" is based off of past academic achievement and a need. If Trumps kid gets in, and has a 4.0, he isn't getting anything at a NESCAC . If the Donald's kid decided to go to Rutgers with the 4.0, they would give the $ to him because he qualified. Would automatically generate and be awarded. He could decline, but wouldn't bet on it. Just like Diddy's kid that will play football at either USC or UCLA next year. Like he needs it. Now if my kid gets into say Amherst, and I make 150,000 a year, the Feds will tell me I'm responsible for 25,000 of the 60,000 Amherst bill. I go to them and say. Wow that's a lot, and my kid can't afford to come here. They would most likely increase the aid. Not because his GPA was higher than 90% of the class, or was good on the field. It would be because he met the ACADEMIC admission requirement. When you got accepted you have met it. Now it really comes down to who will be full pay because they are minted, and who will need help. The constant is the standard for admission is equal to the standard for consideration to get the extra aid. The high standard for admissions Helps them keep that elite college label, and gives them the luxury to pick who they think need it. Hence the need based allocation of aid only, and no scholorships of any kind at Necac and Ivy.

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But it is and the Albany/St Rose example is a very good example that it is farther from the truth than those who think otherwise can prove. Again, we've had this discussion before and more examples were given. I don't have time to search this forum to find those examples again and it certainly makes no difference to me if you and others want to believe the top D2s can beat the bottom D1s. It only indicates that you really don't understand the difference between the two levels of college soccer. There was a time that it may have been true in the past, but the athletic scholarship structure has changed that. It's no different than the days when Assumption College competed in men's basketball against PC and Holy Cross or when Holy Cross football competed with BC. Those days are long gone and it is because of athletic scholarships.

WRONG AGAIN Genious

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WRONG AGAIN Genious

Exactly! This is very similar to what we see in the EPL - top 4 teams in Champions bracket could beat the bottom 4 in the Premiership.

For the doubters, theres no thought that the top D2 could beat each D1 EVERY time but they could for the bottom D1s.

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Assumption vs Holy Cross? During the spring? When Holy Cross couldn't field a full team because of injuries?

Thank you for making my point!

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Thank you for making my point!

WOW how did Holly Cross beat Bryant 7-2?

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WOW how did Holly Cross beat Bryant 7-2?

It was during Spring and Bryant couldnt field a full team because of injuries.