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    Why My Wife and I Pulled Our Daughter Out of Soccer

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-re...b_3799186.html

    Why My Wife and I Pulled Our Daughter Out of Soccer

    #2
    That was a nice article which certainly has validity. However, I want to know what data is available that shows actual outcomes in men and women's soccer demonstrating that their brains are mush and depression and suicide are higher than non-concussive sports figures after retirement. You would have to compare to similar high level athletes since they represent a very different mentality than non-athletes and even less competitive athletes.

    I don't want to ever minimize safety and injury prevention, but I do wonder at what point the concussion-pendulum will (if not already) will swing to far to the 'left' so to speak. If you are going to remove your daughter or son from every potential harm and danger then you might see other negative effects that will help breed mediocrity. Again, without minimizing injury concerns, there has to be a middle ground that does not require you or any other parent to simply remove from all activities. Such behavior may, in fact, harm overall development of the brain, personality, and body.

    As I look around, I see too many examples of how society is trying to prevent everything 'bad' from happening. It is simply not possible to do this and such practice will also remove the part of development that teaches us to deal with adversity, fear, and injury. I am concerned that we are bringing up a generation of 'mush' heads by not challenging them on multiple levels........and, yes, they may suffer an injury, but then learn how to recover and persevere.

    Next, you will not let your daughter get on an airplane for fear that a trainee will not land the plane safely while the mentors are off resting.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      That was a nice article which certainly has validity. However, I want to know what data is available that shows actual outcomes in men and women's soccer demonstrating that their brains are mush and depression and suicide are higher than non-concussive sports figures after retirement. You would have to compare to similar high level athletes since they represent a very different mentality than non-athletes and even less competitive athletes.

      I don't want to ever minimize safety and injury prevention, but I do wonder at what point the concussion-pendulum will (if not already) will swing to far to the 'left' so to speak. If you are going to remove your daughter or son from every potential harm and danger then you might see other negative effects that will help breed mediocrity. Again, without minimizing injury concerns, there has to be a middle ground that does not require you or any other parent to simply remove from all activities. Such behavior may, in fact, harm overall development of the brain, personality, and body.

      As I look around, I see too many examples of how society is trying to prevent everything 'bad' from happening. It is simply not possible to do this and such practice will also remove the part of development that teaches us to deal with adversity, fear, and injury. I am concerned that we are bringing up a generation of 'mush' heads by not challenging them on multiple levels........and, yes, they may suffer an injury, but then learn how to recover and persevere.

      Next, you will not let your daughter get on an airplane for fear that a trainee will not land the plane safely while the mentors are off resting.
      The risk of catastrophic life-altering injury has always been higher driving to and from an athletic event than playing in it. Humans are notoriously bad at ranking the likelihood of very low probability events. I suspect you haven't drained your swimming pools...

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The risk of catastrophic life-altering injury has always been higher driving to and from an athletic event than playing in it. Humans are notoriously bad at ranking the likelihood of very low probability events. I suspect you haven't drained your swimming pools...
        This parent is just feeding into the hysteria. He actually doesn't understand the science when it comes to CTE. There are genetic links that researchers have recently uncovered which are explaining the variability in the outcomes (not every concussion results in CTE). Concussions are serious but if they are treated properly the long term effects are really no more serious than those of any other serious injury that has been treated properly. The reality is female athletes have a higher risk for a number of fairly serious injuries/sports illnesses such as ACL's or the triad. You can't run and hide from them but you can be sensible and manage the risks without abandoning the sport. Doing what this parent is doing is the equivalent of putting their child in a bubble.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That was a nice article which certainly has validity. However, I want to know what data is available that shows actual outcomes in men and women's soccer demonstrating that their brains are mush and depression and suicide are higher than non-concussive sports figures after retirement. You would have to compare to similar high level athletes since they represent a very different mentality than non-athletes and even less competitive athletes.

          I don't want to ever minimize safety and injury prevention, but I do wonder at what point the concussion-pendulum will (if not already) will swing to far to the 'left' so to speak. If you are going to remove your daughter or son from every potential harm and danger then you might see other negative effects that will help breed mediocrity. Again, without minimizing injury concerns, there has to be a middle ground that does not require you or any other parent to simply remove from all activities. Such behavior may, in fact, harm overall development of the brain, personality, and body.

          As I look around, I see too many examples of how society is trying to prevent everything 'bad' from happening. It is simply not possible to do this and such practice will also remove the part of development that teaches us to deal with adversity, fear, and injury. I am concerned that we are bringing up a generation of 'mush' heads by not challenging them on multiple levels........and, yes, they may suffer an injury, but then learn how to recover and persevere.

          Next, you will not let your daughter get on an airplane for fear that a trainee will not land the plane safely while the mentors are off resting.
          I mostly agreed with this post but I think when you get to generalizing about trends in "society" you are getting into a area that is quite complex. I can see easy, sloppy, and wrong Obama and Obamacare crap coming. The mediocrity and everyone gets a trophy stuff in my view are very distorted and represent the impulse to embrace the easiest and angriest world views. Things have never been more competitive. Obama is in fact an extremely competitive person and believes in competition. And the policies and regulations related to things like concussions aren't a function of the "left" as much as the litigiousness in our culture. I was going to be superficial, I would focus on money hungry lawyers who can't wait to file suits for every potential calamity. For instance, they can't wait for a new potentially lifesaving drug to come out so they can sue for anyone who has a real or imagined side effect.

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            #6
            Obama lied, the economy died

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-re...b_3799186.html

              Why My Wife and I Pulled Our Daughter Out of Soccer
              You should have pulled out of something else...

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You should have pulled out of something else...
                This was a hilarious post!! Just got got back from Stars cup with our team licking its wounds. This post made me laugh out loud. Thanks!!

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                  #9
                  Thoughts

                  She probably stunk anyway.

                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-re...b_3799186.html

                  Why My Wife and I Pulled Our Daughter Out of Soccer

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                    #10
                    Lmao

                    Funny

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You should have pulled out of something else...

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                      #11
                      I've posted in this forum before about the potential dangers of accumulated subconcussive impacts (and received the usual objections from nitwits saying that I'm claiming kids should always be wrapped in bubble wrap). But the writer of the HuffPo piece seems to be looking for something that's not there. As this article indicates (http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2013/0...ain/?hpt=hp_t3), "It took between 900 and 1,500 headers [per year] for abnormalities to be discernible on brain scans." And you're generally not going to get to a figure like that by heading the ball in games and scrimmages. You can get there through participating regular heading drills, however, and that's why your kid shouldn't engage in such drills. This is particularly true for younger kids, because their neck musculature is less developed, and thus less able to absorb the shock--which also means that those kids receive less benefit from the heading drills.

                      But if you avoid such heading drills, the piece simply presents no evidence that there is a problem. Even Cantu, who's quoted in the HuffPo piece, says that heading should be banned below 14--which is roughly the age of the daughter who's being pulled out of soccer.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Funny
                        Are you kidding me? WOW!

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                          #13
                          Proof that left-wing nut jobs are no less ****ed up than ones on the right.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Obama lied, the economy died
                            This:)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I've posted in this forum before about the potential dangers of accumulated subconcussive impacts (and received the usual objections from nitwits saying that I'm claiming kids should always be wrapped in bubble wrap). But the writer of the HuffPo piece seems to be looking for something that's not there. As this article indicates (http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2013/0...ain/?hpt=hp_t3), "It took between 900 and 1,500 headers [per year] for abnormalities to be discernible on brain scans." And you're generally not going to get to a figure like that by heading the ball in games and scrimmages. You can get there through participating regular heading drills, however, and that's why your kid shouldn't engage in such drills. This is particularly true for younger kids, because their neck musculature is less developed, and thus less able to absorb the shock--which also means that those kids receive less benefit from the heading drills.

                              But if you avoid such heading drills, the piece simply presents no evidence that there is a problem. Even Cantu, who's quoted in the HuffPo piece, says that heading should be banned below 14--which is roughly the age of the daughter who's being pulled out of soccer.
                              As soon as my kid starts practicing 35 headers every other practice year round, I'll start worrying...

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