Top 150 girls soccer player rankings

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And...these are 8th graders!! Really, can't believe the purpose of the op, interest?? MUCH will change in the FIVE years before college!

Maybe, but the D1 schools will be looking for commitments within TWO years (end of Sophomore year), for many of these players.

So, while a legitimate ranking of the top 150 players might be very different by the time they're ready to start college, being on this list is pretty important to get the recruiting process started.

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Maybe, but the D1 schools will be looking for commitments within TWO years (end of Sophomore year), for many of these players.

So, while a legitimate ranking of the top 150 players might be very different by the time they're ready to start college, being on this list is pretty important to get the recruiting process started.

One of the observations about this 2017 list is it is a little more inclusive of non ECNL players. Wonder if TopDrawer is reading the tea leaves and hedging its bets a little?

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And...these are 8th graders!! Really, can't believe the purpose of the op, interest?? MUCH will change in the FIVE years before college!

SOME will change before college! While some players not on the list will be put on the list in the next few years, it is doubtful that there are 150 other amazing players out there who will take the place of all of these girls.

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I can't believe TopDrawerSoccer gets all this pub.

Does anyone know how that publication started and does anyone know how they get their information about players?

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SOME will change before college! While some players not on the list will be put on the list in the next few years, it is doubtful that there are 150 other amazing players out there who will take the place of all of these girls.

The truth of the matter is there is a defacto hierarchy of players that gets built by a combination of things such as recognition from ID programs and on field prowess. The players at the top are all fairly well known because they have been to national camps and other such identification events as well as gotten post season award like All American etc. What happens is there ends up to be a loose consensus amongst all of the coaches about who is who at the top end of the hierarchy and everyone basically ends up knowing who they are. Those players become recognized as the top prospects in a recruiting class.

The problem with TD is their player evaluations are known to not accurately reflect this player hierarchy because they obviously ignore the players who aren't on ECNL teams. In many ways this hurts a player's reputation more than helps it. Human nature being what it is, when TD ignores players in their rankings, college coaches will still know who many of those players are and have a sense where they should fit on the list. When you think about it, what that really does is put a question mark next to the players that coach feels are not as good as the missing ones. In the end, TD ends up looking foolish for this and it decreases the perceived value of their list. That ends up hurting the players who end up needing such a list for their resume because the bullet point is perceived to be a sham.

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The truth of the matter is there is a defacto hierarchy of players that gets built by a combination of things such as recognition from ID programs and on field prowess. The players at the top are all fairly well known because they have been to national camps and other such identification events as well as gotten post season award like All American etc. What happens is there ends up to be a loose consensus amongst all of the coaches about who is who at the top end of the hierarchy and everyone basically ends up knowing who they are. Those players become recognized as the top prospects in a recruiting class.

The problem with TD is their player evaluations are known to not accurately reflect this player hierarchy because they obviously ignore the players who aren't on ECNL teams. In many ways this hurts a player's reputation more than helps it. Human nature being what it is, when TD ignores players in their rankings, college coaches will still know who many of those players are and have a sense where they should fit on the list. When you think about it, what that really does is put a question mark next to the players that coach feels are not as good as the missing ones. In the end, TD ends up looking foolish for this and it decreases the perceived value of their list. That ends up hurting the players who end up needing such a list for their resume because the bullet point is perceived to be a sham.

Sigh: btdt at it again, and going off the rails toward the end, for predictable reasons.

The truth of the matter, when you think about it and don't fail to realize, is that college coaches can make their own adjustments for identifying standout players who are not playing for ECNL teams and thus might be less likely to make the list.

Contrary to mere assertion, there is no logical or practical reason why the presence on the list of some players who might be widely perceived by college coaches not to be as good as some players who are missing would "put a question mark next to" the group of TD overrated players. How would those TD overrated players have their reputations helped if they weren't on the list at all? Being on the list could only help: coaches who believe that some missing players are better already believe so, list aside; coaches who don't already believe so about certain players might put more stock in the list.

I'm at a loss as to why an already widely known, roughly top 150 player would need to be on a list for "resume" purposes. Also, I'm not sure how TD, in particular, could be widely perceived as a "sham" and yet still as a list worth caring about. No doubt, a seriously flawed list is in the long run good for no one. But the players most likely to be hurt in the short run are...the players who actually do merit being on a top 150 list, since they're the ones who have most to lose were such a list no longer deemed useful enough by college coaches.

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Sigh: btdt at it again, and going off the rails toward the end, for predictable reasons.

The truth of the matter, when you think about it and don't fail to realize, is that college coaches can make their own adjustments for identifying standout players who are not playing for ECNL teams and thus might be less likely to make the list.

Contrary to mere assertion, there is no logical or practical reason why the presence on the list of some players who might be widely perceived by college coaches not to be as good as some players who are missing would "put a question mark next to" the group of TD overrated players. How would those TD overrated players have their reputations helped if they weren't on the list at all? Being on the list could only help: coaches who believe that some missing players are better already believe so, list aside; coaches who don't already believe so about certain players might put more stock in the list.

I'm at a loss as to why an already widely known, roughly top 150 player would need to be on a list for "resume" purposes. Also, I'm not sure how TD, in particular, could be widely perceived as a "sham" and yet still as a list worth caring about. No doubt, a seriously flawed list is in the long run good for no one. But the players most likely to be hurt in the short run are...the players who actually do merit being on a top 150 list, since they're the ones who have most to lose were such a list no longer deemed useful enough by college coaches.

All you need to see is that little "who are you kidding" smirk a coach gets before they throw a player's resume in the trash can when all it has is a TopDrawer ranking to understand what the TD issue is all about. It is like when a hiring manager gets a resume from a well know diploma mill. Somebody is making money off of poor souls who don't know the list isn't worth the paper it is published on.

You are at a loss because you have no actual knowledge about what college coaches know or want and are only on here to vent your psychosis. Your objective in this thread is apparently to hide the scam and actually push players into spending the $90 so they can get a TD ranking. Shame on you.

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One of the observations about this 2017 list is it is a little more inclusive of non ECNL players. Wonder if TopDrawer is reading the tea leaves and hedging its bets a little?

Good point. Wonder if TD will continue to throw all its eggs in the ECNL basket or now open a whole new focus on the NPL. I can read the junk mail now. "NPL PDA Standouts, Best Men's Forwards, Team Rank Top 25" :)

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Since the supposed best teams play in their respective state cup games and then winners move on to play in their Regional tournaments does recruiting to the regional teams take place since they're looking for the bestplayers?

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All you need to see is that little "who are you kidding" smirk a coach gets before they throw a player's resume in the trash can when all it has is a TopDrawer ranking to understand what the TD issue is all about. It is like when a hiring manager gets a resume from a well know diploma mill. Somebody is making money off of poor souls who don't know the list isn't worth the paper it is published on.

You are at a loss because you have no actual knowledge about what college coaches know or want and are only on here to vent your psychosis. Your objective in this thread is apparently to hide the scam and actually push players into spending the $90 so they can get a TD ranking. Shame on you.

You have a reading comprehension issue, among others. I have no direct knowledge or concern about the TD list. If you're right and the list is an outright "scam" widely known as such to college coaches, there would indeed be no point spending even $1 to get this ranking. But the only "hurt" would be in paying $1, or $90, for a worthless ranking. (Surely, no players count merely on their presence on a list to demonstrate their soccer bona fides.)

Btdt's points was more subtle than your characterization of the situation. He implies that the list is not (yet) worthless, since college coaches are still taking it seriously enough for some players to be hurt or helped by their presence on it. He's advocating a better, less biased TD list. My objection was to his speculation about the harm done to players in the meantime. You can redirect your outrage to his views.

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You have a reading comprehension issue, among others. I have no direct knowledge or concern about the TD list. If you're right and the list is an outright "scam" widely known as such to college coaches, there would indeed be no point spending even $1 to get this ranking. But the only "hurt" would be in paying $1, or $90, for a worthless ranking. (Surely, no players count merely on their presence on a list to demonstrate their soccer bona fides.)

Btdt's points was more subtle than your characterization of the situation. He implies that the list is not (yet) worthless, since college coaches are still taking it seriously enough for some players to be hurt or helped by their presence on it. He's advocating a better, less biased TD list. My objection was to his speculation about the harm done to players in the meantime. You can redirect your outrage to his views.

Several parents I know bought the premium membership hoping that it would influence their daughter's ranking. It didn't. In fact a couple of their kids never even made on the rankings at all.

I guess any list still can have some value to a player if you think that any recognition is probably better than none. As long as players know that the implied reference a list like TD gives them is a weak one and couches it properly it shouldn't hurt them. They just shouldn't be lulled into paying premium fees in hope that situation will change. It's not.

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You have a reading comprehension issue, among others. I have no direct knowledge or concern about the TD list. If you're right and the list is an outright "scam" widely known as such to college coaches, there would indeed be no point spending even $1 to get this ranking. But the only "hurt" would be in paying $1, or $90, for a worthless ranking. (Surely, no players count merely on their presence on a list to demonstrate their soccer bona fides.)

Btdt's points was more subtle than your characterization of the situation. He implies that the list is not (yet) worthless, since college coaches are still taking it seriously enough for some players to be hurt or helped by their presence on it. He's advocating a better, less biased TD list. My objection was to his speculation about the harm done to players in the meantime. You can redirect your outrage to his views.

The TD list is far from perfect, but it is no scam. Nobody is paying for ratings - this is more TS conspiracy nonsense. The list isn't well researched but the vast majority of the best players are on it.

The vast majority of the top 150 is based on appearances at YNT camps, Regional Pools, and ECNL id2 events. If you think people are paying to get ranked #8 in the Northeast you are out of your mind. Once you get past the top 20, the next 75 are probably all about equal, and same for the next 200.

Coaches pay no attention to these lists except in the context of looking at the same lists (YNT, etc) that TDS is looking at.

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I can't believe TopDrawerSoccer gets all this pub.

Does anyone know how that publication started and does anyone know how they get their information about players?

The have been around since at least 2003.
http://web.archive.org/web/200304151....com/NextStep/

They say they use a network of scouts, but most of the ratings come from attendance at big events - National Camps, Regional Camps, USSF training centers, PDP, etc.

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The TD list is far from perfect, but it is no scam. Nobody is paying for ratings - this is more TS conspiracy nonsense. The list isn't well researched but the vast majority of the best players are on it.

The vast majority of the top 150 is based on appearances at YNT camps, Regional Pools, and ECNL id2 events. If you think people are paying to get ranked #8 in the Northeast you are out of your mind. Once you get past the top 20, the next 75 are probably all about equal, and same for the next 200.

Coaches pay no attention to these lists except in the context of looking at the same lists (YNT, etc) that TDS is looking at.

Helpful insight. Assuming you're right, though, the TD list--especially for those paying some "premium" fee--does look like somewhat of a "scam" in the sense that the information is redundant for coaches.

Your breakdown of cutoffs seems plausible--and useful for parents to keep in mind. Ultimately, from my perspective, the question that matters isn't whether one's kid appears on some particular list but whether she is seen as an asset by coaches on the level and at specific schools that she might like to attend.

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Helpful insight. Assuming you're right, though, the TD list--especially for those paying some "premium" fee--does look like somewhat of a "scam" in the sense that the information is redundant for coaches.

Your breakdown of cutoffs seems plausible--and useful for parents to keep in mind. Ultimately, from my perspective, the question that matters isn't whether one's kid appears on some particular list but whether she is seen as an asset by coaches on the level and at specific schools that she might like to attend.

Same poster. I don't know why other people pay the premium fee ($47.50 per year). I pay it because I am interested in enough of the premium only articles that its worth $4 per month to me.

The recruiting combines, are just as advertised. You pay a fee, college coaches attend and the players are run through drills. I haven't seen any advertising implying that anyone there gets any extra rankings consideration. It's really no different than a college ID camp except it's being sponsored by a third party and not a specific college.