ECNL wants to switch back to school year from birth year

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One of the first 2026 came out last week. 2025 been out for a while
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So without the UNC commit where are all these ECNL players going? You were so delighted to cast aspersions on the ECRL players what P5 commitments have you seen to date?

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when beaten with facts attack the source

Beyond attacking me, which I admit was both funny and well written, do you have something to offer

I can offer that the change is happening and it will be better for everyone. Hopefully your daughter included. Sincerely hope it works out well for all players.

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One of the first 2026 came out last week. 2025 been out for a while
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So without the UNC commit where are all these ECNL players going? You were so delighted to cast aspersions on the ECRL players what P5 commitments have you seen to date?

Every club and multiple sites share commitment lists. The 2025 are all but done, and as we have seen the earliest 2026 are starting. The known ones are very early. A larger wave will come end of august because some coaches (not all) want the girls to do an OV, meet the team and incorporate Capt input. Ideally they would like this done before New Years, but ideal rarely happens and late commits (D1) will continue thru next spring. At no point have I peacocked P5. Only said D1. Ivy, Patriot, A10, all mid-majors follow similar timeline to above. With that said these earliest commits are P5, but majority of rest will happen late Aug to early Oct this year.

As for ECRL, where were the aspersions?
If you have been on this thread from beginning i have been very consistent about D1 Timelines vs D3 and what is needed to get coach support. The majority of players (d1-d3) go within a 6 hour ride and traveling to showcases in FL, AZ, SC, CA, etc is not make or break for players that want those schools.

All of this to say, BY should go away, I fully support the change, but its a nuisance at best. For those 27s/28s with Q4 birthday, you have a key recruiting window in front of you. PlLEASE listen to me when I say you can make this work just as many before you successfully did. Its the hand you’ve been dealt, your choice to complain like Grumpy Smurf play it to your advantage

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I can offer that the change is happening and it will be better for everyone. Hopefully your daughter included. Sincerely hope it works out well for all players.

I can offer there is no change coming. It’s not an issue stop living in fairy land

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Yes. It was my D and many many others along with and after her. The coaches go to the games that are predominantly sophomores and, like EVERY game since the BY change, they know the pitch is full of players from 2 GYs. They don’t have special glasses that blur out the freshman. They take notes on every player. Then when they send a note to the club coach after the game re the sophomore(s) they cast the net and mention the freshman that caught their eye.

This is not hard to understand. The prime “recruiting” season is Sophomore year, and no coach at any level is ignoring sophomores. Elite D3 may need to wait on Junior grades to do anything about it, but if they say they are not looking at Sophs, what you need to hear is they aren’t interested.

No one is looking at freshman. Stop moving the goal posts. They are not fully developed. It’s a waste of time.

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I can offer there is no change coming. It’s not an issue stop living in fairy land

I can offer that you actually are just some dude typing on a keyboard with Dorito dust on your fingers. No one running a national enterprise overlooks even the smallest problems. They want to be seen as leaders and not just a bunch of stooges.

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I can offer that you actually are just some dude typing on a keyboard with Dorito dust on your fingers. No one running a national enterprise overlooks even the smallest problems. They want to be seen as leaders and not just a bunch of stooges.

Bro, you are grasping at straws. If you’ve ever run a large organization you know you cannot make everyone happy. No one cares about this but the b team daddies and mommies in mass. Literally no one. It’s a non issue for 99% of people. There’s no change coming, none. The rest of the world doesn’t care just mass b team mommies and daddies

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No one is looking at freshman. Stop moving the goal posts. They are not fully developed. It’s a waste of time.

<Shrug>.
You can lead a horse to water….
Are you aware of why they instituted the 6/15 rule?

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ECNL and other leagues have identified a problem. When there is a problem caused by birth year it is the responsibility to make appropriate changes swiftly or the organizations are not being ethical or responsible. The birth year cut off has left many players without an opportunity to play at the same level as their peers creating Q4 discrimination. Very good high level players in high school without teams senior year and also 8th grade fall season. To ignore this issue could not only cause a substantial drop off of player involvement I could see litigious folk going after leagues. To charge money for years saying ECNL and GA are THE pathway for college, and then deny Juniors the opportunity to be recruited in some aspects means you’ve allowed clubs to take Q4 players money for years selling something you cannot deliver. I’m taking all emotion purposely out of this comment and personal feelings because end of day this looks bad for ECNL. To identify publicly a real issue, to acknowledge it and then do nothing now opens them up to future problems.

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<Shrug>.
You can lead a horse to water….
Are you aware of why they instituted the 6/15 rule?

To paper over the problem. I get it.

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No one is looking at freshman. Stop moving the goal posts. They are not fully developed. It’s a waste of time.

Assume you are kinda right and coaches aren’t prioritizing freshman fields, that only confirms Q4s get advantage of early exposure by playing with sophomores.

as for development, they made the team. They are on the field playing at same level as the sophomores. When (if) they catch a coaches eye, they have the AND of another year of development.

For those that say coaches don’t walk around window shopping, I agree. The coaches careful choose fields to see specific sophomores. Once there, they are professionals. They scan the field and take notes.

Finally, as it relates to the Goalposts, it is you who is moving them to Junior spring. The recruiting window the ECNL Proven Pathway caters to is mostly closed by Junior spring

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ECNL and other leagues have identified a problem. When there is a problem caused by birth year it is the responsibility to make appropriate changes swiftly or the organizations are not being ethical or responsible. The birth year cut off has left many players without an opportunity to play at the same level as their peers creating Q4 discrimination. Very good high level players in high school without teams senior year and also 8th grade fall season. To ignore this issue could not only cause a substantial drop off of player involvement I could see litigious folk going after leagues. To charge money for years saying ECNL and GA are THE pathway for college, and then deny Juniors the opportunity to be recruited in some aspects means you’ve allowed clubs to take Q4 players money for years selling something you cannot deliver. I’m taking all emotion purposely out of this comment and personal feelings because end of day this looks bad for ECNL. To identify publicly a real issue, to acknowledge it and then do nothing now opens them up to future problems.

ECNL has spoken about the problem. Not GA although they know it exists. ECNL will be the organization held responsible for not fixing a problem swiftly they have identified.

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Bro, you are grasping at straws. If you’ve ever run a large organization you know you cannot make everyone happy. No one cares about this but the b team daddies and mommies in mass. Literally no one. It’s a non issue for 99% of people. There’s no change coming, none. The rest of the world doesn’t care just mass b team mommies and daddies

I lead customer experience in large organization. We have incremental goals to improve NPS and other metrics every year. Yes there will people you can never please, but to meet these goals my team and I have to identify relevant problems and implement solutions for our customers. This is a fairly big problem for a large customer demographic - real or perceived. The ECNL competes with other pathways and while it is on top now that is no assurance for any champion. Realistically they also compete at an athlete level with other sports. With soccer participation declining across the nation, they cannot afford to ignore things that matter to 30% of their customer. Again real or perceived. Remember they may have bigger dreams than even you do for what their organization can do.

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Assume you are kinda right and coaches aren’t prioritizing freshman fields, that only confirms Q4s get advantage of early exposure by playing with sophomores.

as for development, they made the team. They are on the field playing at same level as the sophomores. When (if) they catch a coaches eye, they have the AND of another year of development.

For those that say coaches don’t walk around window shopping, I agree. The coaches careful choose fields to see specific sophomores. Once there, they are professionals. They scan the field and take notes.

Finally, as it relates to the Goalposts, it is you who is moving them to Junior spring. The recruiting window the ECNL Proven Pathway caters to is mostly closed by Junior spring

Q4 have never had an advantage. A freshman highschool player Q4 may have been second string from years due to the RAE and being behind mentally and physically. She will not stand out therefore not benefit to be seen her freshman year especially when coaches can’t talk to her until end of Sophmore year. She won’t be her strongest. Q4 kids peak later, they need more time to develop from often lack of playing time. They will need to be seen Junior and senior year but, they won’t have a team to be seen on so, Q4 is always at a disadvantage.

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ECNL and other leagues have identified a problem. When there is a problem caused by birth year it is the responsibility to make appropriate changes swiftly or the organizations are not being ethical or responsible. The birth year cut off has left many players without an opportunity to play at the same level as their peers creating Q4 discrimination. Very good high level players in high school without teams senior year and also 8th grade fall season. To ignore this issue could not only cause a substantial drop off of player involvement I could see litigious folk going after leagues. To charge money for years saying ECNL and GA are THE pathway for college, and then deny Juniors the opportunity to be recruited in some aspects means you’ve allowed clubs to take Q4 players money for years selling something you cannot deliver. I’m taking all emotion purposely out of this comment and personal feelings because end of day this looks bad for ECNL. To identify publicly a real issue, to acknowledge it and then do nothing now opens them up to future problems.

Man, you just don’t listen.
A )ECNL isn’t responsible for BY decision
B) The prevalence of Q4s who have successfully committed negates the discrimination, and denied opportunity claim