ECNL wants to switch back to school year from birth year

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I’d enjoy taking a dump in your mouth.

Gay porn guy is back.

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I agree. It's easier for me to accept American tax dollars funding college education of academically talented non-US citizens (i.e., academic scholarship) than funding college education of athletically talented non-US citizens, especially soccer players (i.e., athletic scholarship). I don't have hard data but my intuition is that academically talented students would be top students in their own country as well and having them study and potentially live/work here would be positive for the US, worthy of American tax dollars spending. On the other hand, I don't see how non-US athletes in general and soccer players in particular would be positive for the US. Of course, there may be (non-soccer) athletes who may be elite and positive for the US. But if they're so talented, foreign soccer players would be playing in their country trying to become professional instead of playing college soccer in the US. They won't likely become MLS players, either - again there may be, but I don't think it's common.

Just an FYI international students are NOT eligible for any Title IV federal financial aid. Non US citizens are not eligible for federal loans, grants or work study. Universities can certainly award them their own institutional money but they do not qualify for any federal funds.

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Just an FYI international students are NOT eligible for any Title IV federal financial aid. Non US citizens are not eligible for federal loans, grants or work study. Universities can certainly award them their own institutional money but they do not qualify for any federal funds.

So that's what? 5500 in unsubsidized loans?

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Just an FYI international students are NOT eligible for any Title IV federal financial aid. Non US citizens are not eligible for federal loans, grants or work study. Universities can certainly award them their own institutional money but they do not qualify for any federal funds.

The vast majority of international students studying in the US are actually full cash pay which is what makes them desirable.

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Just an FYI international students are NOT eligible for any Title IV federal financial aid. Non US citizens are not eligible for federal loans, grants or work study. Universities can certainly award them their own institutional money but they do not qualify for any federal funds.

Thanks. I was mistaken about federal tax money directly funding foreign athletes. How about state tax money? It makes me wonder about public universities like U of Michigan, Ohio State and such - there may be laws against state tax money for financial aid to foreigners, I don't know. Do they give athletic scholarships to non-US citizens? If they give money to foreign athletes, is the money their own money or tax payer money?

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The vast majority of international students studying in the US are actually full cash pay which is what makes them desirable.

I tend to agree...for non-athletes. However, it's hard for me to imagine that foreign soccer players are willing to pay that much amount of money to play college soccer in the US. They would be paying out of state tuition for public colleges, and the American colleges are among the most expensive in the world.

I didn't mean to hijack the thread and apologize to those distracted by this.

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The vast majority of international students studying in the US are actually full cash pay which is what makes them desirable.

Yes, but not *athletes*. Men's soccer has the most by number and by percentage of international players among D1 men's sports (tennis wins for girls). From what I've been told, they are scholarship players, not athletes who are also paying full tuition. It certainly feels like we're complaining about the cost to play in the US, while giving away some the money/benefits that could be recouped by our domestic players who come up short in the quest to be a pro. Shooting ourselves in the foot. College basketball and football make more sense, because the players often go pro in a domestic league, and the sports at the college level actually generate a profit. At minimum, a scholarship-student-athlete visa process that took into account whether the sport was profitable at the particular college would help.

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Yes, but not *athletes*. Men's soccer has the most by number and by percentage of international players among D1 men's sports (tennis wins for girls). From what I've been told, they are scholarship players, not athletes who are also paying full tuition. It certainly feels like we're complaining about the cost to play in the US, while giving away some the money/benefits that could be recouped by our domestic players who come up short in the quest to be a pro. Shooting ourselves in the foot. College basketball and football make more sense, because the players often go pro in a domestic league, and the sports at the college level actually generate a profit. At minimum, a scholarship-student-athlete visa process that took into account whether the sport was profitable at the particular college would help.

Men's hockey = 63% are American
Men's soccer = 69% are American

Pretty close, close enough not to quibble over it (I looked it up expecting a different result to be fair)

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Men's hockey = 63% are American
Men's soccer = 69% are American

Pretty close, close enough not to quibble over it (I looked it up expecting a different result to be fair)

Okay, great reporting, Rachel DeLoache Williams.

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Men's hockey = 63% are American
Men's soccer = 69% are American

Pretty close, close enough not to quibble over it (I looked it up expecting a different result to be fair)

I swear I saw a version of this, maybe from a prior year, with men's soccer winning by percentage in addition to total number. But this is the most recent one I can find, showing tennis winning by percentage for both. Men's soccer winning only by total number.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/res...ndsDivSprt.pdf

I know a lot of college tennis players who have developed a sort of xenophobia because they feel like all the scholarships are taken by foreign kids.

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“Bob Smith” this entire message board has always been “too far.” It is only 2 parents anonymous spitting at each other over the internet. Been like that since it’s inception.

P.S. Your daughter sucks at soccer…

I’ve seen her play can’t g at past a turtle. How did you know this?

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If this exists in rumor-phase during this Fall season and becomes a conversation topic on the sidelines, judging by this thread parents will be throwing drinks at each other and wrestling around on the ground rather than watching games. ECNL/USSF had better act fast before their league/travel fees are all instead used up posting bail.

Will get worse once announced. Parents whose kids will benefit will be letting you know all your big talk about your average January kid is over.

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Will get worse once announced. Parents whose kids will benefit will be letting you know all your big talk about your average January kid is over.

This just doesn’t impact that many players. A few shift from each year, maybe 1-2 get dropped from ECNL to RL but maybe not depending on roster size and how many Q4s depart each team for the next one down.

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Will get worse once announced. Parents whose kids will benefit will be letting you know all your big talk about your average January kid is over.

As opposed to your October kid who isn’t shining now?

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This just doesn’t impact that many players. A few shift from each year, maybe 1-2 get dropped from ECNL to RL but maybe not depending on roster size and how many Q4s depart each team for the next one down.

The slide down among ECNL teams alone wouldn't displace many people from their ECNL teams. It could, however, push current starters to the bench or push them out of center positions. The big question for losing a spot on the team will be how many Q4 RL girls can make the ECNL team of the year behind them. At my club, a middle school age group, I'd bet all 5 younger RL players can make the top team behind. We have zero(!) Q4 ECNL kids who will slide down with them. There's one RL player who is probably that team's new best player (not my kid, just saying). Probably going to be less B->A movement at older ages.