MIAA high school soccer tournament

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I’m not a big MIAA fan but they do a nice job with rankings and seeding. Interestingly the only #1 seeds to win their brackets were both Div1 girls and boys. We had an #8 seed and #6 seed win, not exactly an “open” tournament but top 10 teams can go into games with a chance.. Admittedly, High School soccer is not much to watch, but it’s a nice to see towns support the kids. Congrats to all tournament winners!

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True, but it’s the nature of the game that a lucky bounce, a penalty in the box, or a strong defense can lead to some upsets. There were some of those in the earlier rounds.

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True, but it’s the nature of the game that a lucky bounce, a penalty in the box, or a strong defense can lead to some upsets. There were some of those in the earlier rounds.

Interesting read from today's Metrowest Daily...

Officials' lack of response to injury prompts Dover-Sherborn to report incident to MIAA (aol.com)

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Interesting read from today's Metrowest Daily...

Officials' lack of response to injury prompts Dover-Sherborn to report incident to MIAA (aol.com)

High school reffing is mostly horrible, especially with the 2 man crews. As a fellow referee this hurts to read, sounds like the guy has an ego problem. Everyone misses calls but why not let a player enter the game after an injury? First rule is safety first, I’d rather get a drop ball wrong than have a kid losing consciousness on the field.

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Wow. It does sound like this referee had an ego problem. One quality of a good referee is a willingness to explain calls to educate players and coaches. When you get referees who are willing to engage in a positive manner it changes the tone of a game. Even if you don’t like a call or two there us a level of respect that the referee is doing their best and has control of the game. When you get a ref like this guy who thinks he is above reproach it leads to dangerous situations. Not only did it impact the game outcome bit more importantly a players safety was at issue.

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Disgraceful from the Hanover coaching staff. That's what happens when you put a teacher with no idea about the game in charge.

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Whiny bit***s. Here is y problem with this. If the ref thought it was that bad he would’ve called it. If it was life threatening like D/S is playing it then why the hell are you waiting for a whistle ? One of My d (7 yrs ago). Got knocked out on a play (pretty bad)but te ball bounced far away and thee was what could be considered a scoring chance. Guess what my d team coaches and trainer did ? They ran right to her and began first aid. The ref saw them then blew the whistle. Again, they see something they feel is very dangerous and they ar waiting for someone to low a whistle? They are culpable too.

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Whiny bit***s. Here is y problem with this. If the ref thought it was that bad he would’ve called it. If it was life threatening like D/S is playing it then why the hell are you waiting for a whistle ? One of My d (7 yrs ago). Got knocked out on a play (pretty bad)but te ball bounced far away and thee was what e guy considered a scoring chance. Guess what my d team coaches and trainer did ? They ran right to her and began first aid. The ref saw them then blew the whistle. Again, they see something they feel is very dangerous and they ar waiting for someone to low a whistle? They are culpable too.

That’s my points. He may not have seen the foul or even the injury. I don’t understand not letting the team sub after the player is off the field and the goal is scored. I also so a referee this year blow the game over, after the ball was kicked on a 1:1 with the goalie. Ball rolled gently into net, but not before he blew game over and emphatically waved his hands. (5-1) game so it didn’t matter. Some of these guys are just a-holes with grudges and giant egos. Most guys are trying to call the game without prejudice

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I’m assuming the reporter didn’t see the video of the game?
The “elbow” seems more like a shoulder to me. It’s doesn't look like a foul. I think when the ref looked at the player down she was trying to get up and the play was going in the other direction. The contact was low to the face so I think the ref thought it was a shoulder to the chest not the head? In real time it would seem like a tough call to make.
Also DS looked like they had chances to just kick the ball out but they kept playing?
For the subbing part it seemed like DS got a sub in at the restart? You can see a player come on to the field before the restart.
There wasn’t a player after that sub waiting at mid field to go on. The ref and AR had chat for a few second with no player waiting.
Im thinking the coach forgot to put a player in and then wanted to throw a player on? That’s on the coach after the restart to make sure they have enough players.

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I’m assuming the reporter didn’t see the video of the game?
The “elbow” seems more like a shoulder to me. It’s doesn't look like a foul. I think when the ref looked at the player down she was trying to get up and the play was going in the other direction. The contact was low to the face so I think the ref thought it was a shoulder to the chest not the head? In real time it would seem like a tough call to make.
Also DS looked like they had chances to just kick the ball out but they kept playing?
For the subbing part it seemed like DS got a sub in at the restart? You can see a player come on to the field before the restart.
There wasn’t a player after that sub waiting at mid field to go on. The ref and AR had chat for a few second with no player waiting.
Im thinking the coach forgot to put a player in and then wanted to throw a player on? That’s on the coach after the restart to make sure they have enough players.

Video available on the NFHS network, by the way.

Agree with your evaluation. And the referee is 5-10 yards from the action in perfect position to see what was happening.

Couple of other opinions:

1. Right after it happened, DS briefly had the ball (kicked it back towards the Hanover goal); given that the ball was 70 yards at least from the goal, stopping the game would have raised no eyebrows, just give it to Hanover on a drop after the player is tended to.
2. The injured player was out of the picture right after it happened, didn't see other DS field player stop or look in any way unprepared for the Hanover attack. The injured player was an attacker, so they were not short of defenders. Goal that was scored was not a giveaway except it looked like it should have been saved (from watching the winning goal later, the keeper may have been DS' weak link).
3. When you get deep in the tournament, center refs are all college officials; this is not a case of someone calling the game that isn't qualified.
4. I find the comments the AR allegedly made to the DS people inappropriate, say nothing and discuss with the assigner/tournament director.

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I’m assuming the reporter didn’t see the video of the game?
The “elbow” seems more like a shoulder to me. It’s doesn't look like a foul. I think when the ref looked at the player down she was trying to get up and the play was going in the other direction. The contact was low to the face so I think the ref thought it was a shoulder to the chest not the head? In real time it would seem like a tough call to make.
Also DS looked like they had chances to just kick the ball out but they kept playing?
For the subbing part it seemed like DS got a sub in at the restart? You can see a player come on to the field before the restart.
There wasn’t a player after that sub waiting at mid field to go on. The ref and AR had chat for a few second with no player waiting.
Im thinking the coach forgot to put a player in and then wanted to throw a player on? That’s on the coach after the restart to make sure they have enough players.

This is just bad reffing. Ref's responsibility is to stop play immediately if there is a head injury. It's a clear cut player safety issue.

One scenario:
Ref doesn't call a foul (maybe there wasn't one)
Ref doesn't spot that the injury is a head injury
Ref refuses to stop play although AR is saying there's an injury over the headset

Another scenario:
Ref doesn't call a foul (maybe there wasn't one)
Ref sees a head injury but refuses to stop play
Ref refuses to stop play although AR is saying there's an injury over the headset

Neither option is a good look for the ref

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Slanted article and sour grapes. Bad look for DS’s AD.

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Disgraceful from the Hanover coaching staff. That's what happens when you put a teacher with no idea about the game in charge.

That’s not the case at all about hanover or the coach.
embarrassing article

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That’s my points. He may not have seen the foul or even the injury. I don’t understand not letting the team sub after the player is off the field and the goal is scored. I also so a referee this year blow the game over, after the ball was kicked on a 1:1 with the goalie. Ball rolled gently into net, but not before he blew game over and emphatically waved his hands. (5-1) game so it didn’t matter. Some of these guys are just a-holes with grudges and giant egos. Most guys are trying to call the game without prejudice

The line about not letting them sub is a blatant lie, this “author” is just a tiny bit biased here

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Video available on the NFHS network, by the way.

Agree with your evaluation. And the referee is 5-10 yards from the action in perfect position to see what was happening.

Couple of other opinions:

1. Right after it happened, DS briefly had the ball (kicked it back towards the Hanover goal); given that the ball was 70 yards at least from the goal, stopping the game would have raised no eyebrows, just give it to Hanover on a drop after the player is tended to.
2. The injured player was out of the picture right after it happened, didn't see other DS field player stop or look in any way unprepared for the Hanover attack. The injured player was an attacker, so they were not short of defenders. Goal that was scored was not a giveaway except it looked like it should have been saved (from watching the winning goal later, the keeper may have been DS' weak link).
3. When you get deep in the tournament, center refs are all college officials; this is not a case of someone calling the game that isn't qualified.
4. I find the comments the AR allegedly made to the DS people inappropriate, say nothing and discuss with the assigner/tournament director.

The referee in this match is not a college official.
did you miss these comments?

Dover-Sherborn's sideline alerted the assistant referee (AR) to stop the play because of the injury, and the assistant contacted the center referee (CR) over the headset. The center referee did not stop play.

D-S' athletic trainer nearly entered the field of play out of "concern for the safety of our student athlete" stated the report.