Can someone discuss the benefits of D3 soccer.

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Here you go again trying to invalidate people who are only sharing their experiences. I will clarify that “not the smartest” meant of my 3 kids, and I see how that was likely read by most to mean a general statement. She had very good grades and OK test scores. There is absolutely a high standard for Ivy. They asked her for transcripts after freshman year with updates every semester of sophomore year along with test scores taken multiple times sophomore year.

By most standards she was academically strong, and that only met the Ivy floor. I’m pretty confident coach support was necessary for admission. As you point out there is a requirement for The Group to meet the standard. Teams must reflect the standards of the college both on Academic Index (AI) and DEI. Coach made it very clear that she had his/her support, and she should keep taking SAT/ACT to raise scores so the last two recruits could be better soccer players instead of AI boosters. Under this model it is very likely that one family’s experience with Ivy academic standards could be different than anothers based on where they fall in the portfolio

Why do you keep insisting that people talking about academics are "invalidating people who are only sharing their experiences"? Are they not valid experiences as well?

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Not the poster but Ivies have latitude on admitting athletes that aren't at the same level as regular admits. So do most top schools schools. How much they're willing to bend depends on the school (some wont bend, others a lot), the coach's influence and how badly they want the athlete

Not quite true. They can bend the rules, but the overall profile of the incoming recruiting class for that team needs to meet the overall profile of the admitted class. So if they bend low for a player, they need to balance that with a particularly strong academic player.

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Why do you keep insisting that people talking about academics are "invalidating people who are only sharing their experiences"? Are they not valid experiences as well?

not sure how else to interpret “I am not buying”

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not sure how else to interpret “I am not buying”

Certainly when you say that your D was "not the smartest", you can understand someone questioning her getting admitted to an Ivy school, no? Glad you clarified it in a later post, but "not the smartest" definitely raised some questions about the story.

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Not quite true. They can bend the rules, but the overall profile of the incoming recruiting class for that team needs to meet the overall profile of the admitted class. So if they bend low for a player, they need to balance that with a particularly strong academic player.

Wow, I’m in this thread but not the poster you are replying to.
You should go crack open an old Dale Carnegie book. Opening a response with “Not quite true” while then describing the exact process that gives them latitude… not the way to win friends and influence people.

Lets assume the AD has the same objective to keep the overall pool of athletes consistent with college standards. Do you think the AD allocates those standards evenly or might she give mens Hockey a little more latitude than womens cross country?

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Not quite true. They can bend the rules, but the overall profile of the incoming recruiting class for that team needs to meet the overall profile of the admitted class. So if they bend low for a player, they need to balance that with a particularly strong academic player.

Sounds like you agree then. Could've saved yourself a minute or two vs. finishing the thought and coming to the same conclusion.

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Wow, I’m in this thread but not the poster you are replying to.
You should go crack open an old Dale Carnegie book. Opening a response with “Not quite true” while then describing the exact process that gives them latitude… not the way to win friends and influence people.

Lets assume the AD has the same objective to keep the overall pool of athletes consistent with college standards. Do you think the AD allocates those standards evenly or might she give mens Hockey a little more latitude than womens cross country?

My point in describing the exact process was to point out that the original statement needed more detail to show the full picture. In other words, colleges can't bend the rules for everybody just because they want the player. They often have to make compromises to make it happen (eg. in order to get the less-academic player, they also have to recruit a strong academic-player who might not be the most talented player).

The AD has to look at each sport individually, not the sports program overall. So it's not like the hockey team can be a bunch of idiots balanced out by a bunch of rocket-scientist women runners.

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Certainly when you say that your D was "not the smartest", you can understand someone questioning her getting admitted to an Ivy school, no? Glad you clarified it in a later post, but "not the smartest" definitely raised some questions about the story.

Not the OP, but "not the smartest" means just that: not THE smartest. In a group of 1,000 people, maybe she came in at 999. Not the smartest.

Or, people can pick on slight nuances in the written word and look for holes in stories to make some mythical anonymous point. Like you are grilling someone on the stand.

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Sounds like you agree then. Could've saved yourself a minute or two vs. finishing the thought and coming to the same conclusion.

I sort of agreed, but clarified the process because the way it was originally written didn't include important details about the limitations on how a coach can "bend the rules". That's why I said "not quite true" instead of "completely false".

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My point in describing the exact process was to point out that the original statement needed more detail to show the full picture. In other words, colleges can't bend the rules for everybody just because they want the player. They often have to make compromises to make it happen (eg. in order to get the less-academic player, they also have to recruit a strong academic-player who might not be the most talented player).

The AD has to look at each sport individually, not the sports program overall. So it's not like the hockey team can be a bunch of idiots balanced out by a bunch of rocket-scientist women runners.

You must just like to read yourself typing. Because you keep indicating something is not quite true...but then you go on and give examples where it is.

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Not the OP, but "not the smartest" means just that: not THE smartest. In a group of 1,000 people, maybe she came in at 999. Not the smartest.

Or, people can pick on slight nuances in the written word and look for holes in stories to make some mythical anonymous point. Like you are grilling someone on the stand.

The way it was characterized in the original post, it came across as her not being academically strong. Sorry if it was misunderstood.

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I sort of agreed, but clarified the process because the way it was originally written didn't include important details about the limitations on how a coach can "bend the rules". That's why I said "not quite true" instead of "completely false".

So, this statement is true: but Ivies have latitude on admitting athletes that aren't at the same level as regular admits.

Whaddya work for Politifact, trying to spin something in as many ways as possible just to avoid saying it?

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You must just like to read yourself typing. Because you keep indicating something is not quite true...but then you go on and give examples where it is.

I'm just trying to provide more details so that you understand that there are limitations to what a coach can do to "bend the rules for a player". Is that so hard to understand?

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So, this statement is true: but Ivies have latitude on admitting athletes that aren't at the same level as regular admits.

Whaddya work for Politifact, trying to spin something in as many ways as possible just to avoid saying it?

Why are you getting so bent out of shape for someone trying to provide additional detail to your statement? Are you insecure?

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Why are you getting so bent out of shape for someone trying to provide additional detail to your statement? Are you insecure?

I didn't make the original statement. I'm just wondering why someone is so bent out of shape trying to prove a point and in so doing, proves the other.