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    #61
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Really? Here is why that is pretty doubtful. In my long experience in womens collegiate athletics, I have never seen a single player graduate early that didn't also excel in the class-room. That means a GPA of better than 3.3. Players that are All-american, with that 3.3 ALWAYS, get at least a nod on the NSCAA Regional Academic team as an Honorable Mention.

    Here are some facts on BC:

    1.) They did not meet the 3.0 team GPA requirement for NSCAA team recognition.

    2.) They did not have a single player on any of the various Academic teams requiring the 3.3 GPA. They had two from this year's squad, Wagner and McCaffrey, make last year's all ACC Acadmic team - requiring a 3.0.

    3.) Two players not majoring in general liberal arts or education. So the bulk of the starters are enrolled in easy majors.

    Bottom line, you go to BC to play soccer and if you get the degree, you learn a hard lesson - that a degree in Education or LA, with a 2.75 GPA doesn't get you very far in this life!
    Do you have an issue with BC? KM?

    Time to get off Bitterness Island

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      #62
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Really? Here is why that is pretty doubtful. In my long experience in womens collegiate athletics, I have never seen a single player graduate early that didn't also excel in the class-room. That means a GPA of better than 3.3. Players that are All-american, with that 3.3 ALWAYS, get at least a nod on the NSCAA Regional Academic team as an Honorable Mention.

      Here are some facts on BC:

      1.) They did not meet the 3.0 team GPA requirement for NSCAA team recognition.

      2.) They did not have a single player on any of the various Academic teams requiring the 3.3 GPA. They had two from this year's squad, Wagner and McCaffrey, make last year's all ACC Acadmic team - requiring a 3.0.

      3.) Two players not majoring in general liberal arts or education. So the bulk of the starters are enrolled in easy majors.

      Bottom line, you go to BC to play soccer and if you get the degree, you learn a hard lesson - that a degree in Education or LA, with a 2.75 GPA doesn't get you very far in this life!
      Obviously you don't have a college degree, because if you did, you'd know that a 2.75 GPA and a degree from BC (or any 4 year school) will get you exactly one thing - your first job. Everything that comes after that is a result of your job performance and experience. Every person with a bachelors degree knows this.

      Why don't you go to college first before you post on what a college degree gets you.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Really? Here is why that is pretty doubtful. In my long experience in womens collegiate athletics, I have never seen a single player graduate early that didn't also excel in the class-room. That means a GPA of better than 3.3. Players that are All-american, with that 3.3 ALWAYS, get at least a nod on the NSCAA Regional Academic team as an Honorable Mention.

        Here are some facts on BC:

        1.) They did not meet the 3.0 team GPA requirement for NSCAA team recognition.

        2.) They did not have a single player on any of the various Academic teams requiring the 3.3 GPA. They had two from this year's squad, Wagner and McCaffrey, make last year's all ACC Acadmic team - requiring a 3.0.

        3.) Two players not majoring in general liberal arts or education. So the bulk of the starters are enrolled in easy majors.

        Bottom line, you go to BC to play soccer and if you get the degree, you learn a hard lesson - that a degree in Education or LA, with a 2.75 GPA doesn't get you very far in this life!
        An All American from BC, U20 WNT and degree from BC will get you VERY far in life. What are you smoking?

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          #64
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Do you have an issue with BC? KM?

          Time to get off Bitterness Island

          The poster is from BC. I will not be surprised if it is not one of her own jealous BC team-mate. Binky to kinky, herself??? It will not be the first or last that stars product stabs her own team-mate on the back.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Obviously you don't have a college degree, because if you did, you'd know that a 2.75 GPA and a degree from BC (or any 4 year school) will get you exactly one thing - your first job. Everything that comes after that is a result of your job performance and experience. Every person with a bachelors degree knows this.

            Why don't you go to college first before you post on what a college degree gets you.
            Exactly. After your first job, no one cares about your GPA. And if the poster is still is putting their GPA on their resume, well that poster is more of a tool than previously thought.

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              #66
              This is actually an interesting line of debate. If the original poster is correct and the BC women are basically all either general Liberal Arts or Education majors, and they have mediocre academic records, the reality is that there aren't a lot of first job options. You really are going to need a masters or other advanced degree. For the Ed majors that is pretty much a given anyway. For the LA majors its a little more dicey. A 2.75 from BC isn't getting you into any type of competitive graduate school .

              BC has a great reputation locally, and a solid alumni network, but the reality is that there just aren't many entry level jobs out there for kids graduating with LA degrees, even the ones from more prestigous LACs - with high GPAs - are finding that, and have for about the last five years. This is the real issue. There seems to be a consistent belief here that getting to a school like BC (and playing soccer) is the end. It is simply another step in the journey and if you fail to acheive academically, you are in no better position that anyone else.

              Again, assuming that the information is correct (and I know that BCs failure to acheive the 3.0 team GPA is) it isn't a bright picture regarding the overall academic performance of that program.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                An All American from BC, U20 WNT and degree from BC will get you VERY far in life. What are you smoking?
                What degree, you don't get the paper when you quit after 94 credits!!!

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by unregistered View Post
                  what degree, you don't get the paper when you quit after 94 credits!!!
                  she already graduated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    she already graduated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Must have been like HS, got some special home school credits!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This is actually an interesting line of debate. If the original poster is correct and the BC women are basically all either general Liberal Arts or Education majors, and they have mediocre academic records, the reality is that there aren't a lot of first job options. You really are going to need a masters or other advanced degree. For the Ed majors that is pretty much a given anyway. For the LA majors its a little more dicey. A 2.75 from BC isn't getting you into any type of competitive graduate school .

                      BC has a great reputation locally, and a solid alumni network, but the reality is that there just aren't many entry level jobs out there for kids graduating with LA degrees, even the ones from more prestigous LACs - with high GPAs - are finding that, and have for about the last five years. This is the real issue. There seems to be a consistent belief here that getting to a school like BC (and playing soccer) is the end. It is simply another step in the journey and if you fail to acheive academically, you are in no better position that anyone else.

                      Again, assuming that the information is correct (and I know that BCs failure to acheive the 3.0 team GPA is) it isn't a bright picture regarding the overall academic performance of that program.
                      Like it or not, athletes at this level are treated differently. What you say may be true for most but to ignore her athletic accomplishments and her local "celebrity" is not realistic. It does not last for long but there will be opportunities presented becuase of who she is and what she has done. In fact she is likely to get better opportunities than a kid with better grades simply because of her resume.

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                        #71
                        Back to Soccer - they beat their opponent 5-0

                        http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...anderers/57610

                        5 yellows - but it was a big match. They're now in 4th and play the top team on Saturday.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Like it or not, athletes at this level are treated differently. What you say may be true for most but to ignore her athletic accomplishments and her local "celebrity" is not realistic. It does not last for long but there will be opportunities presented becuase of who she is and what she has done. In fact she is likely to get better opportunities than a kid with better grades simply because of her resume.
                          The issue really isn't with her. I agree that she represents an unique situation - although what you say is true only for a soccer related position, I'm not sure that she is getting into a competitive graduate school without a 3.0+ GPA and some solid GRE scores - even with the BC degree and an All-American designation. No big deal as it doesn't appear that she has interest in pursuing opportunities apart from soccer anyway?

                          What is interesting is the apparent lack of overall academic quality (for lack of a better term) on the part of this program. I did a little fact checking on the "facts" presented by the OP. The post is correct that only two current players appeared on the 2011 ACC All-Academic team but there were six in total - four were graduated seniors. It does also appear that most of the starters and contributors to the team are listed as being enrolled in the college of Arts and Sciences. In athletic jargon that is typically code for either undecided or general liberal arts, but it is possible that some (many?) are in more demanding majors within the college. That being said, there is but one enrolled as a nursing major and none listed in any particularly (or specifically) demanding academic programs - so take that for what its worth.

                          The failure to acheive the NSCAA academic team award is more troubling, but if you have a handful of players that really struggle it is almost impossible to make up the points to get to the cumulative 3.0. This may just be a tough run as even Ivy League and NESCAC schools will get a class or two that have troubles with their grades. As for the notion that the BC degree (no matter your major and GPA) is enough to open doors - that is BS (and not a bachelor of science). The OP is dead on that you won't have many entry level opportunities with a Gen. LA degree and a sub 3.0 GPA - even if you played soccer!

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The issue really isn't with her. I agree that she represents an unique situation - although what you say is true only for a soccer related position, I'm not sure that she is getting into a competitive graduate school without a 3.0+ GPA and some solid GRE scores - even with the BC degree and an All-American designation. No big deal as it doesn't appear that she has interest in pursuing opportunities apart from soccer anyway?

                            What is interesting is the apparent lack of overall academic quality (for lack of a better term) on the part of this program. I did a little fact checking on the "facts" presented by the OP. The post is correct that only two current players appeared on the 2011 ACC All-Academic team but there were six in total - four were graduated seniors. It does also appear that most of the starters and contributors to the team are listed as being enrolled in the college of Arts and Sciences. In athletic jargon that is typically code for either undecided or general liberal arts, but it is possible that some (many?) are in more demanding majors within the college. That being said, there is but one enrolled as a nursing major and none listed in any particularly (or specifically) demanding academic programs - so take that for what its worth.

                            The failure to acheive the NSCAA academic team award is more troubling, but if you have a handful of players that really struggle it is almost impossible to make up the points to get to the cumulative 3.0. This may just be a tough run as even Ivy League and NESCAC schools will get a class or two that have troubles with their grades. As for the notion that the BC degree (no matter your major and GPA) is enough to open doors - that is BS (and not a bachelor of science). The OP is dead on that you won't have many entry level opportunities with a Gen. LA degree and a sub 3.0 GPA - even if you played soccer!
                            So if you have a 4.0 GPA but are a dead-fish in the interview process, you'll still get a job? Doubt it. You really don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have a college degree? A job? You are making blanket statements that don't even come close to what happens in real life.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The issue really isn't with her. I agree that she represents an unique situation - although what you say is true only for a soccer related position, I'm not sure that she is getting into a competitive graduate school without a 3.0+ GPA and some solid GRE scores - even with the BC degree and an All-American designation. No big deal as it doesn't appear that she has interest in pursuing opportunities apart from soccer anyway?

                              What is interesting is the apparent lack of overall academic quality (for lack of a better term) on the part of this program. I did a little fact checking on the "facts" presented by the OP. The post is correct that only two current players appeared on the 2011 ACC All-Academic team but there were six in total - four were graduated seniors. It does also appear that most of the starters and contributors to the team are listed as being enrolled in the college of Arts and Sciences. In athletic jargon that is typically code for either undecided or general liberal arts, but it is possible that some (many?) are in more demanding majors within the college. That being said, there is but one enrolled as a nursing major and none listed in any particularly (or specifically) demanding academic programs - so take that for what its worth.

                              The failure to acheive the NSCAA academic team award is more troubling, but if you have a handful of players that really struggle it is almost impossible to make up the points to get to the cumulative 3.0. This may just be a tough run as even Ivy League and NESCAC schools will get a class or two that have troubles with their grades. As for the notion that the BC degree (no matter your major and GPA) is enough to open doors - that is BS (and not a bachelor of science). The OP is dead on that you won't have many entry level opportunities with a Gen. LA degree and a sub 3.0 GPA - even if you played soccer!
                              Here's the real issue.

                              Why are all of you so concerned about what this player or any other player at BC is doing? I would leave that to their parents and to the players themselves. I have a feeling all of them will be just fine.

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                The issue really isn't with her. I agree that she represents an unique situation - although what you say is true only for a soccer related position, I'm not sure that she is getting into a competitive graduate school without a 3.0+ GPA and some solid GRE scores - even with the BC degree and an All-American designation. No big deal as it doesn't appear that she has interest in pursuing opportunities apart from soccer anyway?

                                What is interesting is the apparent lack of overall academic quality (for lack of a better term) on the part of this program. I did a little fact checking on the "facts" presented by the OP. The post is correct that only two current players appeared on the 2011 ACC All-Academic team but there were six in total - four were graduated seniors. It does also appear that most of the starters and contributors to the team are listed as being enrolled in the college of Arts and Sciences. In athletic jargon that is typically code for either undecided or general liberal arts, but it is possible that some (many?) are in more demanding majors within the college. That being said, there is but one enrolled as a nursing major and none listed in any particularly (or specifically) demanding academic programs - so take that for what its worth.

                                The failure to acheive the NSCAA academic team award is more troubling, but if you have a handful of players that really struggle it is almost impossible to make up the points to get to the cumulative 3.0. This may just be a tough run as even Ivy League and NESCAC schools will get a class or two that have troubles with their grades. As for the notion that the BC degree (no matter your major and GPA) is enough to open doors - that is BS (and not a bachelor of science). The OP is dead on that you won't have many entry level opportunities with a Gen. LA degree and a sub 3.0 GPA - even if you played soccer!
                                College coaches do not want players with demanding majors, for the obvious reason that studying can take away time from training. My daughter wanted to play soccer in college and was looking at various D3 schools. One coach asked her what she was interested in studying and when she told him Accounting, he told her that would not be a wise option if she wanted to play varsity hockey. Tried to steer her to less demanding fields.

                                A BC diploma in any field carries allot of weight, especially in this area. But hopefully these girls are getting educated in a field that will help them when they get out of school. Almost all will not make a living from playing soccer

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