If Nothing Else, the anti-ECNLRL Campaign is Impressive

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Y'all would make a presidential misinformation campaign look like child's play. Credit where credit is due, the efforts to discredit something that hasn't actually happened yet is stirring.

Weird and obsessive, yes, but impressive nonetheless.

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This is fueled mainly by some big mouth DPL parents from NEFC and SURF RI. Their posts are obvious. We all know the parents from this age grouping … big mouth insecure… rest of the world could care less but since bayside and scorpions have ECRL teams those two clubs are justifying their DPL status.

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I honestly think it’s started by this one paranoid 2008 Select dad. His kid can’t play GA for myriad of excuses and he’s obsessed with the idea that Impact is a bigger deal than it is. I would be you a lot of money that had Select been invited to ECRL, he’d be the biggest cheerleader.

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Y'all would make a presidential misinformation campaign look like child's play. Credit where credit is due, the efforts to discredit something that hasn't actually happened yet is stirring.

Weird and obsessive, yes, but impressive nonetheless.

Is the information posted factual? (Or a good faith effort to post the available facts?) Yes, it’s the facts.

Have the ECRL2 hype boys posted facts to persuade parents about what they are offering? No, just deflection and name-calling. This thread is a perfect example.

If you have a factual story to present, let’s have it. Obviously that’s not the case.

The clubs and their locations are known. Their level of play is mostly known. It’s clear what that means for what ECRL2 will be. But it’s also clear it is being sold by claiming it's something more than that, something it clearly is not.

The recent posts are not anti-ECRL1, except for a few side comments here and there. Everyone knows ECRL1 >> ECRL2, even the “It’s not ECRL2!!” guy said that.

If you think posting the facts about ECRL2 is anti-ECRL2, and if getting players to sign up depends on parents not knowing the facts - well that says all that needs to be said.

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Is the information posted factual? (Or a good faith effort to post the available facts?) Yes, it’s the facts.

Have the ECRL2 hype boys posted facts to persuade parents about what they are offering? No, just deflection and name-calling. This thread is a perfect example.

If you have a factual story to present, let’s have it. Obviously that’s not the case.

The clubs and their locations are known. Their level of play is mostly known. It’s clear what that means for what ECRL2 will be. But it’s also clear it is being sold by claiming it's something more than that, something it clearly is not.

The recent posts are not anti-ECRL1, except for a few side comments here and there. Everyone knows ECRL1 >> ECRL2, even the “It’s not ECRL2!!” guy said that.

If you think posting the facts about ECRL2 is anti-ECRL2, and if getting players to sign up depends on parents not knowing the facts - well that says all that needs to be said.

Me thinks one protests too much. I'm impressed with our tenacity and was giving you credit. Like a dog on a bone. Nothing will get in your way of your campaign. Right or wrong, it's irrelevant. You have a point to make and by golly, you are going to make it.

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Me thinks one protests too much. I'm impressed with our tenacity and was giving you credit. Like a dog on a bone. Nothing will get in your way of your campaign. Right or wrong, it's irrelevant. You have a point to make and by golly, you are going to make it.

And you have no point to make, and by golly, you are not going to make one.

Seriously. Face the facts.

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Is the information posted factual? (Or a good faith effort to post the available facts?) Yes, it’s the facts.

Have the ECRL2 hype boys posted facts to persuade parents about what they are offering? No, just deflection and name-calling. This thread is a perfect example.

If you have a factual story to present, let’s have it. Obviously that’s not the case.

The clubs and their locations are known. Their level of play is mostly known. It’s clear what that means for what ECRL2 will be. But it’s also clear it is being sold by claiming it's something more than that, something it clearly is not.

The recent posts are not anti-ECRL1, except for a few side comments here and there. Everyone knows ECRL1 >> ECRL2, even the “It’s not ECRL2!!” guy said that.

If you think posting the facts about ECRL2 is anti-ECRL2, and if getting players to sign up depends on parents not knowing the facts - well that says all that needs to be said.

My kid is ECNL, so the ECNLR argument isn’t important to me. However, the new conference is just that-another ECNLR conference. Calling it ECNLR 2 is just silly.

The reality is that within any league, there are going to be conferences that are stronger than others. Using ECNL as an example- there are far more quality teams in the Texas Conference than in North Atlantic. Does that make the North Atlantic division ECNL B+? No. Would PDA Blue go undefeated in almost every age group in the Texas conference? No way.

I believe ECNLR does one showcase per year. It will be set up the same way as it always has. The top table teams from the northeast division will play the top teams from other conferences. Mid table plays mid table, etc. All of the conferences in the league are one level. And I would bet that Bayside, Allycats, Copa and some others will field teams that are better than FSA and EM (in the New England conference).

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And you have no point to make, and by golly, you are not going to make one.

Seriously. Face the facts.

No point? I'm commending your tenacity. Take the dub. You are relentless.

Personally, I could care less about it and that's likely the case or a vast majority. But, it's deeply affecting you so keep on it you li'l rascal you.

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My kid is ECNL, so the ECNLR argument isn’t important to me. However, the new conference is just that-another ECNLR conference. Calling it ECNLR 2 is just silly.

The reality is that within any league, there are going to be conferences that are stronger than others. Using ECNL as an example- there are far more quality teams in the Texas Conference than in North Atlantic. Does that make the North Atlantic division ECNL B+? No. Would PDA Blue go undefeated in almost every age group in the Texas conference? No way.

Texas vs North Atlantic? NE ECRL2 has (a) an existing league vs a new one added, with (b) almost entirely overlapping geography and (c) a group of teams that are clearly a lower tier. It's been posted a hundred times here, everyone knows that means ECRL1 >> ECRL2 in New England.

I believe ECNLR does one showcase per year. It will be set up the same way as it always has. The top table teams from the northeast division will play the top teams from other conferences. Mid table plays mid table, etc. All of the conferences in the league are one level. And I would bet that Bayside, Allycats, Copa and some others will field teams that are better than FSA and EM (in the New England conference).

Actually take a good look at the list of teams and get back to us on that. The consensus of the forum is clear - taking an EDP team and putting an ECRL label on it doesn't change things. And the club locations are the club locations, for MA/NH teams the travel will always be way too much for a level of play that could easily be had in New England.
http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/forum/...-list-of-clubs

Also, this kind of generic talk avoids the fact that, here on the Massachusetts board, you are still talking about Stars' 5th team and Scorpions 3rd team. Like the locations, that doesn't change. If anything, Scorpions lose a player pipeline because Bayside's 1st team is now better and in ECRL.

So talking about "showcases" when you're sending a bottom third of the table team in a C league - well, that's thoughtless the first time you say it, and dishonest after that.

Sure, ECRL2 might be good for better teams in a better geography, like FC Copa, and league games might have tolerable travel if you live in NJ. But for the MA/NH and New England teams - this isn't a pathway or even a good use of time and money.

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Get 'em Tiger!! Don't back down!!!!!!

[Guest]

My kid is ECNL, so the ECNLR argument isn’t important to me. However, the new conference is just that-another ECNLR conference. Calling it ECNLR 2 is just silly.

The reality is that within any league, there are going to be conferences that are stronger than others. Using ECNL as an example- there are far more quality teams in the Texas Conference than in North Atlantic. Does that make the North Atlantic division ECNL B+? No. Would PDA Blue go undefeated in almost every age group in the Texas conference? No way.

I believe ECNLR does one showcase per year. It will be set up the same way as it always has. The top table teams from the northeast division will play the top teams from other conferences. Mid table plays mid table, etc. All of the conferences in the league are one level. And I would bet that Bayside, Allycats, Copa and some others will field teams that are better than FSA and EM (in the New England conference).

I didn't realize the Texas Conference clubs played their lower tier teams in the North Atlantic Conference. Oh, wait they don't. Flawed analogy.

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Texas vs North Atlantic? NE ECRL2 has (a) an existing league vs a new one added, with (b) almost entirely overlapping geography and (c) a group of teams that are clearly a lower tier. It's been posted a hundred times here, everyone knows that means ECRL1 >> ECRL2 in New England.

Actually take a good look at the list of teams and get back to us on that. The consensus of the forum is clear - taking an EDP team and putting an ECRL label on it doesn't change things. And the club locations are the club locations, for MA/NH teams the travel will always be way too much for a level of play that could easily be had in New England.
http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/forum/...-list-of-clubs

Also, this kind of generic talk avoids the fact that, here on the Massachusetts board, you are still talking about Stars' 5th team and Scorpions 3rd team. Like the locations, that doesn't change. If anything, Scorpions lose a player pipeline because Bayside's 1st team is now better and in ECRL.

So talking about "showcases" when you're sending a bottom third of the table team in a C league - well, that's thoughtless the first time you say it, and dishonest after that.

Sure, ECRL2 might be good for better teams in a better geography, like FC Copa, and league games might have tolerable travel if you live in NJ. But for the MA/NH and New England teams - this isn't a pathway or even a good use of time and money.

Can you expand on why you care so much? All I have seen so far is that you worry it’s taking competition away from your own kid. So you want families to choose the league you’re in to benefit your kid? What?

How about you pick the team you want, everyone else picks the team they want, and we stop worrying so much about everyone else.

This is like the two NPLs all over again.

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I didn't realize the Texas Conference clubs played their lower tier teams in the North Atlantic Conference. Oh, wait they don't. Flawed analogy.

I’m sorry that you aren’t intelligent enough to grasp the fact that the quality of teams in different conferences in a national league can vary significantly (even though the league is one level). The lower tier Texas teams would potentially play the lower tier NA teams at showcases. Those happen multiple times per year and that’s where you see the differences between the conferences.

Foolish of me to even respond again—you clearly don’t know how ECNL or ECNLR works.

Just to remind you—your kid can play soccer with virtually no travel at all—town soccer. Problem solved.

[Guest]

Texas vs North Atlantic? NE ECRL2 has (a) an existing league vs a new one added, with (b) almost entirely overlapping geography and (c) a group of teams that are clearly a lower tier. It's been posted a hundred times here, everyone knows that means ECRL1 >> ECRL2 in New England.

Actually take a good look at the list of teams and get back to us on that. The consensus of the forum is clear - taking an EDP team and putting an ECRL label on it doesn't change things. And the club locations are the club locations, for MA/NH teams the travel will always be way too much for a level of play that could easily be had in New England.
http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/forum/...-list-of-clubs

Also, this kind of generic talk avoids the fact that, here on the Massachusetts board, you are still talking about Stars' 5th team and Scorpions 3rd team. Like the locations, that doesn't change. If anything, Scorpions lose a player pipeline because Bayside's 1st team is now better and in ECRL.

So talking about "showcases" when you're sending a bottom third of the table team in a C league - well, that's thoughtless the first time you say it, and dishonest after that.

Sure, ECRL2 might be good for better teams in a better geography, like FC Copa, and league games might have tolerable travel if you live in NJ. But for the MA/NH and New England teams - this isn't a pathway or even a good use of time and money.

1. Reading your word salad makes me think you are probably drunk.

2. None of the leagues below ECNL and GA are a great pathway to decent college soccer.

[Guest]

I’m sorry that you aren’t intelligent enough to grasp the fact that the quality of teams in different conferences in a national league can vary significantly (even though the league is one level). The lower tier Texas teams would potentially play the lower tier NA teams at showcases. Those happen multiple times per year and that’s where you see the differences between the conferences.

Foolish of me to even respond again—you clearly don’t know how ECNL or ECNLR works.

Just to remind you—your kid can play soccer with virtually no travel at all—town soccer. Problem solved.

Wow, the ECNLR bandwagon is relentless. I'll go slower this time. We all understand that the two ECNLR conferences around here play at the same "tier." In other words, they are technically at the same level within ECNLR. You know why we're calling it ECNLR2 though (besides the fact that it's fun to watch you get all lathered over it)? Because it doesn't matter if the conferences are at the same tier. When several clubs put a C team in one conference and a D team in another, those two conferences simply aren't going to have the same level of competition. Now that I think about it you're right--we should call it ECNLR-D.

But hey, if you want to drive to NJ every weekend just so your kid can play on a D team when there are plenty of local alternatives with similar levels of coaching and competition, go for it!