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    ECRL2 - Looking at the list of clubs

    The new ECNL Regional Northeast League (ECRL2) has many clubs most people aren't familiar with, including me. It is somewhat interesting to look at the details and see what this league will look like, club by club (for girls' teams).

    Some observations:
    • The level of the teams varies widely, so there will be many lopsided matches. (It seems unlikely they would be able to split it into higher and lower brackets to have more competitive matches.)
    • As expected, the level of competition in the northern group of 10 teams is generally below that of the existing Mass. RL teams (and of many New England DPL, Impact, and NECSL teams).
    • The southern group's top 5 teams are more competitive.
    • The MA/NH ECRL2 teams appear to be in the bottom half of the northern group of 10 ECRL2 teams, and in the bottom third of the group of 20.
    • Quickstrike in NY and Bayside in RI seem to be the two strongest teams of the northern group, by a good margin.
    • Manhattan FC and FC Copa seem to be the two strongest teams overall among the 20 teams.
    • ECRL2 seems to have included 6 of the 8 Northeast Elite 64 girls clubs (but not Boston Bolts or Coppermine in MD).
    • It's interesting that the Scorpions ECRL2 team is listed as based in Auburn (Worcester). They have a couple teams there now and seem to be expanding that geography.

    There are surely some mistakes in here, and things that aren't known yet. But changes seem unlikely to change the conclusions one would draw about the leagues or the MA ECRL2 teams.

    2007s
    National Ranking / Mass. Ranking / Club / Location / Current Team
    Current ECRL Teams (2007):
    179 9 Scorpions RL
    396 14 FC Stars White RL
    537 18 FC Stars Blue RL
    Northern ECRL2 Group:
    962 25 FC Stars Sky Blue Acton, MA FC Stars Lancaster
    1650 45 Scorpions South SC Auburn, MA Metrowest EDP
    277 Bayside FC East Providence, RI Elite 64
    502 CFC North FC Rocky Hill, CT North Regional NL
    1229 CT Rush Select North Branford, CT #1 team
    1062 CFC Legacy Stamford, CT Wave
    549 Albany Alleycats Albany, NY USYS NL
    196 Quickstrike FC New Windsor, NY NL Blue
    552 Force FC Monroe & Woodbury, NY EDP
    1020 NJ Crush Pompton Lakes, NJ National
    Southern ECRL2 Group:
    148 Manhattan SC Manhattan, NY Flash
    337 New York Surf Soccer Club Long Island, NY Elite 64
    1138 SUSA Blue Central Islip, NY Carolina
    240 Long Island Slammers Stonybrook, NY Smithtown Maroon
    Sporting Club Premier Sparta, NJ
    132 FC Copa Academy Hillsborough, NJ Elite 64
    431 Match Fit Academy Shore Tinton Falls, NJ Elite 64
    783 PSA Monmouth Tinton Falls, NJ Princeton SA Elite 64?
    668 Next Level SA Pennington, NJ Elite
    Lehigh Valley United RUSH Allentown, PA

    There is some discussion of the southern group of teams in this "Everyone gets ECRL Badge!" thread:
    http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/forum/...79#post4463879

    The lists are based on these assumptions. The biggest assumption may be that there might be two groups of 10 teams. MA/NH ECRL2 teams may still play and travel to all 20 of the clubs. So TBD what ECRL2 means for MA/NH teams in terms of travel and competition.
    • These lists use 2007 teams as an example.
    • The consensus was that the full league of 20 teams seemed too large and too far-flung to make sense, as the travel would be too much for the level of competition. So the lists group them into two groups of 10 - one group of New England, upstate NY, and northern NJ clubs; and the remaining teams in NYC, Long Island, and NJ.
    • Teams are roughly listed by driving distance from Auburndale, MA, where the Pike crosses I-95. The first, northern group of ten is 0.5 to 3.5 hours of driving. The second, southern group is 3.5 to 5 hours of driving.
    • Clubs with ECNL, ECRL, or GA teams would keep those teams. So the next team after those is listed below (Stars' 5th team, Scorpions' 3rd team, CFC's 3rd team). Other clubs are assumed to move their #1 team to ECRL2 (for example, from Elite 64 or USYS National League).
    • For comparison, the rankings of the existing Mass. RL teams are shown.
    • The rankings are the national rankings from the Soccer Rankings app. (Where available, Mass. rankings are included for reference.) Soccer Rankings uses actual games played, and includes the effect of tough schedules. It's the same general approach the MIAA uses for Power Rankings. It's a good general indicator. Small differences in rankings don't mean much. But big differences in rankings certainly do indicate the relative strength of teams.





    #2
    1. There is no ECRL 2. It's another ECNL Regional League. It's not tiered.
    2. Couldn't you say the same about almost any league? Look at the 2007 EDP conference. High difference in quality top to bottom.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Guest View Post
      1. There is no ECRL 2. It's another ECNL Regional League. It's not tiered.
      The facts above make it clear ECRL2 is a much lower tier of teams than ECRL1. And the clear consensus of the board is that players that can get into ECRL1, will take that path. You said it yourself. In real life, it's a lower tier.

      Originally posted by Guest View Post
      2. Couldn't you say the same about almost any league? Look at the 2007 EDP conference. High difference in quality top to bottom.
      The same - do you mean the huge range of competition that will create lopsided games, or the far-flung travel for EDP/NECSL level competition?

      Please list the "any other leagues" that have this kind of travel to play this kind of competition.

      EDP has a New England conference, heavily weighted to eastern and Southern New England so the travel is much less. And just looking at the table, it doesn't look as lopsided as many leagues. If you took off the Scorpions EDP/ECRL2 team (0 goals scored) - the goal differentials look pretty good as leagues go.
      https://system.gotsport.com/org_even...s?group=133119

      Note that two of the teams in the EDP table are in the list above of ECRL2 teams - CFC North, mid-table, and Scorpions Metrowest, at the bottom of the table. So ECRL2 offers competition below EDP level, with more travel.

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        #4
        Yeah, I was going to respond but since you know everything then I’ll pass. Oh, and the Scorpions teams are the Juventus DPL teams, not Metro West. Quick go spend six hours recreating you research.

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          #5
          I’ll bite- “Please list the "any other leagues" that have this kind of travel to play this kind of competition.”

          The failed US Soccer Development Academy that had MA teams driving 8 hours to western NY to play a club that had a -100+ goal difference.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Guest View Post
            The facts above make it clear ECRL2 is a much lower tier of teams than ECRL1. And the clear consensus of the board is that players that can get into ECRL1, will take that path. You said it yourself. In real life, it's a lower tier.

            The same - do you mean the huge range of competition that will create lopsided games, or the far-flung travel for EDP/NECSL level competition?

            Please list the "any other leagues" that have this kind of travel to play this kind of competition.

            EDP has a New England conference, heavily weighted to eastern and Southern New England so the travel is much less. And just looking at the table, it doesn't look as lopsided as many leagues. If you took off the Scorpions EDP/ECRL2 team (0 goals scored) - the goal differentials look pretty good as leagues go.
            https://system.gotsport.com/org_even...s?group=133119

            Note that two of the teams in the EDP table are in the list above of ECRL2 teams - CFC North, mid-table, and Scorpions Metrowest, at the bottom of the table. So ECRL2 offers competition below EDP level, with more travel.
            Can’t reply to someone who types this many words and still doesn’t understand that ECRL2 doesn’t exist.

            Yes, one conference is stronger than the other. But that is true of any one conference compared with any other in the country. I just can’t understand how there are still folks out there putting this much energy into worrying about ECRL and can’t understand this very simple fact.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Guest View Post
              Yeah, I was going to respond but since you know everything then I’ll pass. Oh, and the Scorpions teams are the Juventus DPL teams, not Metro West. Quick go spend six hours recreating you research.
              Well, it says right there I don't know everything. But even if that's true, it doesn't change the big picture.

              Originally posted by Guest View Post
              I’ll bite- “Please list the "any other leagues" that have this kind of travel to play this kind of competition.”

              The failed US Soccer Development Academy that had MA teams driving 8 hours to western NY to play a club that had a -100+ goal difference.
              That does prove the point, lots of travel for poor competition is not a plan for success for a league.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Guest View Post
                The new ECNL Regional Northeast League (ECRL2) has many clubs most people aren't familiar with, including me. It is somewhat interesting to look at the details and see what this league will look like, club by club (for girls' teams).

                Some observations:
                • The level of the teams varies widely, so there will be many lopsided matches. (It seems unlikely they would be able to split it into higher and lower brackets to have more competitive matches.)
                • As expected, the level of competition in the northern group of 10 teams is generally below that of the existing Mass. RL teams (and of many New England DPL, Impact, and NECSL teams).
                • The southern group's top 5 teams are more competitive.
                • The MA/NH ECRL2 teams appear to be in the bottom half of the northern group of 10 ECRL2 teams, and in the bottom third of the group of 20.
                • Quickstrike in NY and Bayside in RI seem to be the two strongest teams of the northern group, by a good margin.
                • Manhattan FC and FC Copa seem to be the two strongest teams overall among the 20 teams.
                • ECRL2 seems to have included 6 of the 8 Northeast Elite 64 girls clubs (but not Boston Bolts or Coppermine in MD).
                • It's interesting that the Scorpions ECRL2 team is listed as based in Auburn (Worcester). They have a couple teams there now and seem to be expanding that geography.

                There are surely some mistakes in here, and things that aren't known yet. But changes seem unlikely to change the conclusions one would draw about the leagues or the MA ECRL2 teams.

                2007s
                National Ranking / Mass. Ranking / Club / Location / Current Team
                Current ECRL Teams (2007):
                179 9 Scorpions RL
                396 14 FC Stars White RL
                537 18 FC Stars Blue RL
                Northern ECRL2 Group:
                962 25 FC Stars Sky Blue Acton, MA FC Stars Lancaster
                1650 45 Scorpions South SC Auburn, MA Metrowest EDP
                277 Bayside FC East Providence, RI Elite 64
                502 CFC North FC Rocky Hill, CT North Regional NL
                1229 CT Rush Select North Branford, CT #1 team
                1062 CFC Legacy Stamford, CT Wave
                549 Albany Alleycats Albany, NY USYS NL
                196 Quickstrike FC New Windsor, NY NL Blue
                552 Force FC Monroe & Woodbury, NY EDP
                1020 NJ Crush Pompton Lakes, NJ National
                Southern ECRL2 Group:
                148 Manhattan SC Manhattan, NY Flash
                337 New York Surf Soccer Club Long Island, NY Elite 64
                1138 SUSA Blue Central Islip, NY Carolina
                240 Long Island Slammers Stonybrook, NY Smithtown Maroon
                Sporting Club Premier Sparta, NJ
                132 FC Copa Academy Hillsborough, NJ Elite 64
                431 Match Fit Academy Shore Tinton Falls, NJ Elite 64
                783 PSA Monmouth Tinton Falls, NJ Princeton SA Elite 64?
                668 Next Level SA Pennington, NJ Elite
                Lehigh Valley United RUSH Allentown, PA

                There is some discussion of the southern group of teams in this "Everyone gets ECRL Badge!" thread:
                http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/forum/...79#post4463879

                The lists are based on these assumptions. The biggest assumption may be that there might be two groups of 10 teams. MA/NH ECRL2 teams may still play and travel to all 20 of the clubs. So TBD what ECRL2 means for MA/NH teams in terms of travel and competition.
                • These lists use 2007 teams as an example.
                • The consensus was that the full league of 20 teams seemed too large and too far-flung to make sense, as the travel would be too much for the level of competition. So the lists group them into two groups of 10 - one group of New England, upstate NY, and northern NJ clubs; and the remaining teams in NYC, Long Island, and NJ.
                • Teams are roughly listed by driving distance from Auburndale, MA, where the Pike crosses I-95. The first, northern group of ten is 0.5 to 3.5 hours of driving. The second, southern group is 3.5 to 5 hours of driving.
                • Clubs with ECNL, ECRL, or GA teams would keep those teams. So the next team after those is listed below (Stars' 5th team, Scorpions' 3rd team, CFC's 3rd team). Other clubs are assumed to move their #1 team to ECRL2 (for example, from Elite 64 or USYS National League).
                • For comparison, the rankings of the existing Mass. RL teams are shown.
                • The rankings are the national rankings from the Soccer Rankings app. (Where available, Mass. rankings are included for reference.) Soccer Rankings uses actual games played, and includes the effect of tough schedules. It's the same general approach the MIAA uses for Power Rankings. It's a good general indicator. Small differences in rankings don't mean much. But big differences in rankings certainly do indicate the relative strength of teams.



                ^^^^^^^ Insanity Alert^^^^^^^^

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guest View Post

                  ^^^^^^^ Insanity Alert^^^^^^^^
                  I'm trying to think about something I am so passionate about that doesn't make me money, or at the minimum I'm not intimately involved in, to go through this kind of effort. I'm drawing a blank.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Guest View Post

                    ^^^^^^^ Insanity Alert^^^^^^^^
                    waaaay too much time on their hands.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Guest View Post

                      I'm trying to think about something I am so passionate about that doesn't make me money, or at the minimum I'm not intimately involved in, to go through this kind of effort. I'm drawing a blank.
                      In fact, there's a lot of passion in this forum, and all the others at TS, about how messed up the leagues are for youth soccer.

                      And put this in perspective. Think about all the miles and gas and hours wasted just this past weekend on unnecessary travel, just in New England. Thousands of hours, tens of thousands of dollars? More? In just one weekend.

                      This post took maybe half an hour. A small fraction of the time just my family wasted over just this one weekend on unnecessary travel for soccer. A tiny fraction of the time ECRL2 will waste.

                      ECRL2 is the opposite of what needs to happen in youth soccer in New England. It affects other leagues, teams and players. Use the EDP example above as another league and group of teams affected by adding another league.

                      And this ECRL2 league is a bad idea for everyone involved - coaches, players, families.





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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Guest View Post
                        In fact, there's a lot of passion in this forum, and all the others at TS, about how messed up the leagues are for youth soccer.

                        And put this in perspective. Think about all the miles and gas and hours wasted just this past weekend on unnecessary travel, just in New England. Thousands of hours, tens of thousands of dollars? More? In just one weekend.

                        This post took maybe half an hour. A small fraction of the time just my family wasted over just this one weekend on unnecessary travel for soccer. A tiny fraction of the time ECRL2 will waste.

                        ECRL2 is the opposite of what needs to happen in youth soccer in New England. It affects other leagues, teams and players. Use the EDP example above as another league and group of teams affected by adding another league.

                        And this ECRL2 league is a bad idea for everyone involved - coaches, players, families.




                        Ooops. All that research and you missed the key point: participation in ECRL, or any youth soccer league, is 100% optional.

                        Tired of driving every weekend? Don’t do it! Let your kid play rec. Or not at all. Totally, 100% voluntary to participate!

                        Not sure why you’re so worked up over a league you don’t have to participate in (again, that goes for ANY league!) so I hope this eases your mind.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Guest View Post
                          Not sure why you’re so worked up over a league you don’t have to participate in (again, that goes for ANY league!) so I hope this eases your mind.
                          But it does affect leagues that my kid is already in, so it does affect me and my kids. And the same for my friends. There are several leagues affected by these teams. So ECRL's bad idea has a much wider negative effect than just on the parents unfortunate enough to have their players get moved into this league.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Guest View Post
                            But it does affect leagues that my kid is already in, so it does affect me and my kids. And the same for my friends. There are several leagues affected by these teams. So ECRL's bad idea has a much wider negative effect than just on the parents unfortunate enough to have their players get moved into this league.
                            Haven’t you learned yet that you can’t control what anyone does but yourself? ECRL is expanding whether you or I like it. Our choices are to participate or to not participate. Yup, might affect other leagues but so what? We could play that game all day. If GA didn’t exist, DPL would be stronger. If DPL didn’t exist, Impact would be stronger. If none of them existed, the NECSL could be a powerhouse. And on and on. ECRL isn’t unique just because it affects you or your kid. Participate, don’t. The world will go on turning. Don’t waste your time obsessing over the things you can’t change.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guest View Post
                              But it does affect leagues that my kid is already in, so it does affect me and my kids. And the same for my friends. There are several leagues affected by these teams. So ECRL's bad idea has a much wider negative effect than just on the parents unfortunate enough to have their players get moved into this league.
                              Leagues change all the time - literally almost every year. You have to roll with the punches or find somewhere else. You should always take stock of the situation each spring. Not only can teams and leagues change but so can your kid's training needs .

                              Besides, 1)you have no idea how bit an impact it will have on your kids' league until next year. 2) capitalism baby. ECNL is gobbling up market share, intentionally, and they don't care about your league.

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