Another HS soccer thread

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what do you consider top club team". there really aren't any top "Cub" teams in western MA at the HS level. And please don't say "Stars West". riding on the laurels of the Stars name does not make a team a "top Club" team.

Such a sweet comment, your life must be so grand....

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HS soccer is probably one of the least beautiful aspects of the game. There are a few skilled players but the rest is just athleticism. Unfortunately, those that can actually play the game with skill get singled out and abused. I have a son who played highschool and club and got sent to the hospital several times from a HS game. Never from a club game where all the players were of equal skill. Maybe the D1 schools are better but anything else is just not pretty

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Dear God. What a F-ing hypocrite.

OMG, what kind of candy-arse fantasy world do you live in? You have absolutely no clue how tough the game is. Please drop your delusion that it is this artsy fartsy beautiful game. Sometimes the game is beautiful, other times it is downright brutish and nasty.

I coached HS soccer for many years. One frequent topic that was raised by my players was how they should react when the nasty stuff is being dished out. My response was to never initiate dirty play but to respond so the person would think twice about doing it again. Now here is a little piece of information for you about girls soccer that you may not understand. Girls need permission to be aggressive.

I am not sure what you would have me do. Whine to the officials? Write letters to MIAA. Pull my team off the field? What? None of those options are worth a hill of beans. My players need to know that I wasn't going to punish them if they delivered an elbow to the gut of an opponent to send a message. In the nine years my teams played in HS my players received only 1 red card and probably a half dozen yellows per year. That being said our opponents knew better than to mess around with my players.

So here it is in a nutshell. You can either whine like a little crybaby about rough play or you can deliver a message via a whispered threat for the offender, or give them a nice little shot in the solar plexus and knock the wind out of them. Once that is accomplished we can get on with trying to play some real soccer.

Every sport has it's elements of intimidation. High and tight fastballs, taking out the second baseman with a slide, late hits on receivers, blind side blocks to defenders, hard fouls in basketball, elbows in soccer. If you think that these things are outside of the realm of good hard competitive play then you have absolutely no clue about the reality of competitive sports.

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HS soccer is probably one of the least beautiful aspects of the game. There are a few skilled players but the rest is just athleticism. Unfortunately, those that can actually play the game with skill get singled out and abused. I have a son who played highschool and club and got sent to the hospital several times from a HS game. Never from a club game where all the players were of equal skill. Maybe the D1 schools are better but anything else is just not pretty

Hospital several times for one person. Did he have a crosswalk painted on his back. In the all the years I coached I only a few hospital visits for my players. Mostly concussions from routine play. I saw a few ambulances in some other games and both were broken legs from unavoidable collisions. You are clearly overstating the violence of HS play and understating the violence in club.

Given the pervasive anti HS bias of the soccer snobs in this forum nobody should be surprised.

So do us all a favor PLEASE. Take your snotty little brats and your arrogant attitudes and leave for DAP, PAP, CRAP, SAP or whatever future alphabet soup program empties your wallet. Don't let the door hit you in the butt. How can we miss you when you won't go away.

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OMG, what kind of candy-arse fantasy world do you live in? You have absolutely no clue how tough the game is. Please drop your delusion that it is this artsy fartsy beautiful game. Sometimes the game is beautiful, other times it is downright brutish and nasty.

I coached HS soccer for many years. One frequent topic that was raised by my players was how they should react when the nasty stuff is being dished out. My response was to never initiate dirty play but to respond so the person would think twice about doing it again. Now here is a little piece of information for you about girls soccer that you may not understand. Girls need permission to be aggressive.

I am not sure what you would have me do. Whine to the officials? Write letters to MIAA. Pull my team off the field? What? None of those options are worth a hill of beans. My players need to know that I wasn't going to punish them if they delivered an elbow to the gut of an opponent to send a message. In the nine years my teams played in HS my players received only 1 red card and probably a half dozen yellows per year. That being said our opponents knew better than to mess around with my players.

So here it is in a nutshell. You can either whine like a little crybaby about rough play or you can deliver a message via a whispered threat for the offender, or give them a nice little shot in the solar plexus and knock the wind out of them. Once that is accomplished we can get on with trying to play some real soccer.

Every sport has it's elements of intimidation. High and tight fastballs, taking out the second baseman with a slide, late hits on receivers, blind side blocks to defenders, hard fouls in basketball, elbows in soccer. If you think that these things are outside of the realm of good hard competitive play then you have absolutely no clue about the reality of competitive sports.

So glad you're done coaching! I'm sure your cotton shorts, whistle, baseball cap and knee high socks are in the hall of shame somewhere. Good riddens T-Rex!

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OMG, what kind of candy-arse fantasy world do you live in? You have absolutely no clue how tough the game is. Please drop your delusion that it is this artsy fartsy beautiful game. Sometimes the game is beautiful, other times it is downright brutish and nasty.

I coached HS soccer for many years. One frequent topic that was raised by my players was how they should react when the nasty stuff is being dished out. My response was to never initiate dirty play but to respond so the person would think twice about doing it again. Now here is a little piece of information for you about girls soccer that you may not understand. Girls need permission to be aggressive.

I am not sure what you would have me do. Whine to the officials? Write letters to MIAA. Pull my team off the field? What? None of those options are worth a hill of beans. My players need to know that I wasn't going to punish them if they delivered an elbow to the gut of an opponent to send a message. In the nine years my teams played in HS my players received only 1 red card and probably a half dozen yellows per year. That being said our opponents knew better than to mess around with my players.

So here it is in a nutshell. You can either whine like a little crybaby about rough play or you can deliver a message via a whispered threat for the offender, or give them a nice little shot in the solar plexus and knock the wind out of them. Once that is accomplished we can get on with trying to play some real soccer.

Every sport has it's elements of intimidation. High and tight fastballs, taking out the second baseman with a slide, late hits on receivers, blind side blocks to defenders, hard fouls in basketball, elbows in soccer. If you think that these things are outside of the realm of good hard competitive play then you have absolutely no clue about the reality of competitive sports.

Will is that you?
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OMG, what kind of candy-arse fantasy world do you live in? You have absolutely no clue how tough the game is. Please drop your delusion that it is this artsy fartsy beautiful game. Sometimes the game is beautiful, other times it is downright brutish and nasty.

I coached HS soccer for many years. One frequent topic that was raised by my players was how they should react when the nasty stuff is being dished out. My response was to never initiate dirty play but to respond so the person would think twice about doing it again. Now here is a little piece of information for you about girls soccer that you may not understand. Girls need permission to be aggressive.

I am not sure what you would have me do. Whine to the officials? Write letters to MIAA. Pull my team off the field? What? None of those options are worth a hill of beans. My players need to know that I wasn't going to punish them if they delivered an elbow to the gut of an opponent to send a message. In the nine years my teams played in HS my players received only 1 red card and probably a half dozen yellows per year. That being said our opponents knew better than to mess around with my players.

So here it is in a nutshell. You can either whine like a little crybaby about rough play or you can deliver a message via a whispered threat for the offender, or give them a nice little shot in the solar plexus and knock the wind out of them. Once that is accomplished we can get on with trying to play some real soccer.

Every sport has it's elements of intimidation. High and tight fastballs, taking out the second baseman with a slide, late hits on receivers, blind side blocks to defenders, hard fouls in basketball, elbows in soccer. If you think that these things are outside of the realm of good hard competitive play then you have absolutely no clue about the reality of competitive sports.

You are clearly part of the problem. What a total moron, thanks for making the point.

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OMG, what kind of candy-arse fantasy world do you live in? You have absolutely no clue how tough the game is. Please drop your delusion that it is this artsy fartsy beautiful game. Sometimes the game is beautiful, other times it is downright brutish and nasty.

I coached HS soccer for many years. One frequent topic that was raised by my players was how they should react when the nasty stuff is being dished out. My response was to never initiate dirty play but to respond so the person would think twice about doing it again. Now here is a little piece of information for you about girls soccer that you may not understand. Girls need permission to be aggressive.

I am not sure what you would have me do. Whine to the officials? Write letters to MIAA. Pull my team off the field? What? None of those options are worth a hill of beans. My players need to know that I wasn't going to punish them if they delivered an elbow to the gut of an opponent to send a message. In the nine years my teams played in HS my players received only 1 red card and probably a half dozen yellows per year. That being said our opponents knew better than to mess around with my players.

So here it is in a nutshell. You can either whine like a little crybaby about rough play or you can deliver a message via a whispered threat for the offender, or give them a nice little shot in the solar plexus and knock the wind out of them. Once that is accomplished we can get on with trying to play some real soccer.

Every sport has it's elements of intimidation. High and tight fastballs, taking out the second baseman with a slide, late hits on receivers, blind side blocks to defenders, hard fouls in basketball, elbows in soccer. If you think that these things are outside of the realm of good hard competitive play then you have absolutely no clue about the reality of competitive sports.

You know, of course, that you're part of the problem and not part of the solution. Once you stoop to that level, you've stooped to that level. All coaches need to resist the temptation to fight fire with fire and we all should support MYSA and MIAA in supporting strict standards for behavior on the field. And to the refs, call the friggin' bad tackles!

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You know, of course, that you're part of the problem and not part of the solution. Once you stoop to that level, you've stooped to that level. All coaches need to resist the temptation to fight fire with fire and we all should support MYSA and MIAA in supporting strict standards for behavior on the field. And to the refs, call the friggin' bad tackles!

You do know the the OP is a phony? She's just a fat slob who couldn't pick herself out of her chair, or hold (it's called a video camera - stupid) with those flabby arms. Her description of her "perfect player" is just that, too perfect. She doesn't exist.

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You know, of course, that you're part of the problem and not part of the solution. Once you stoop to that level, you've stooped to that level. All coaches need to resist the temptation to fight fire with fire and we all should support MYSA and MIAA in supporting strict standards for behavior on the field. And to the refs, call the friggin' bad tackles!

PLAYER: Hey coach #17 from the other team keeps elbowing me in the head what should I do?
COACH: Here, please fill out this form with more details so I can submit it to MIAA for them to address the issue
PLAYER: But coach I think she is going to break my nose.
COACH: Well you are just going to have to take it. At half time I will ask the ref to see if he might do something about it. But there are 22 players on the field and just 2 refs so they can't see anything.
PLAYER: So I just have to let her keep elbowing me
COACH: Yes unfortunately that is the case. I absolutely forbid you from retaliating in any way. After all we are learning about sportsmanship and how to play the beautiful game. We have to do this so they don't creat a DAP program for girls. Your mother will want to have you play that instead of HS.
PLAYER: But I like HS soccer
COACH: Your parents know best. Now get out there and take some more abuse. And remember NEVER retaliate. There are quite a few people on Talking soccer who will get upset if I tell you that it is ok to defend yourself.
PLAYER: Do nose jobs cost that much?
COACH: Yes but we'll have a fundraiser after the season. Sell candybars or something.

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PLAYER: Hey coach #17 from the other team keeps elbowing me in the head what should I do?

Not sure what planet you live on.
I've never seen a soccer game where the reply to an elbow to the head was a question to the coach. In my experience, it's either hit back or start screaming at the ref.

Once again, I call you out as a phoney. This is simply NOT how HS soccer players behave.
You are just making cr@p up to troll TS.

And it's not like there are 2 sets of players here. The leaders on the field, the ones who set the tone, are the same in club and HS. Universally, if they get frustrated, they will take their revenge.

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I was with you until the part about selling candy bars. You DO know they are unhealthy don't you? Our AD has banned fundraisers that involve cookies and candy.Thank God. People can't help but gorge on them and get fat. I'm not sure how my family survived all these years without her.

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PLAYER: Hey coach #17 from the other team keeps elbowing me in the head what should I do?
COACH: Here, please fill out this form with more details so I can submit it to MIAA for them to address the issue
PLAYER: But coach I think she is going to break my nose.
COACH: Well you are just going to have to take it. At half time I will ask the ref to see if he might do something about it. But there are 22 players on the field and just 2 refs so they can't see anything.
PLAYER: So I just have to let her keep elbowing me
COACH: Yes unfortunately that is the case. I absolutely forbid you from retaliating in any way. After all we are learning about sportsmanship and how to play the beautiful game. We have to do this so they don't creat a DAP program for girls. Your mother will want to have you play that instead of HS.
PLAYER: But I like HS soccer
COACH: Your parents know best. Now get out there and take some more abuse. And remember NEVER retaliate. There are quite a few people on Talking soccer who will get upset if I tell you that it is ok to defend yourself.
PLAYER: Do nose jobs cost that much?
COACH: Yes but we'll have a fundraiser after the season. Sell candybars or something.

It doesn't matter how many ways you spin it nobody agrees with you!

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It doesn't matter how many ways you spin it nobody agrees with you!

I hate when they sell candy 'cause my fat wife eats them all.

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I think that is the discussion also. Glad as a parent it's coming out because if it can be reduced or at least managed then maybe the good players would want to play both HS and Club instead of taking time off in the fall.

I will say this is not the same in all areas, BTW. In largely populated towns/cities there is generally a huge population of skilled players and they typically play other large schools. Because of this the kids that play are generally higher level players and they are there to play soccer.

I've seen this more in the small town teams where the only defense might be the thug approach. I've been around the sport for 30 yrs and there is definately a difference in play when the teams come from smaller towns. Not many options when a good player makes you look out of place. Often its not a thug mentality but a anger management issue.

Once again it's up to the coach and ref to fix that when they see these issues occur during a game.

It might even mean forfeit if necessary.

Maybe the pattern you describe is right on. Watching D1&2, the amount of card-worthy play is less than expected considering the general tone about HS soccer. In girls' games, it's actually been distressing to hear the whistle blow seemingly every time players have contact. Even so, HS referees keep yellow cards in their pocket more than club refs.