Dap

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I do not have a son playing at this age in either club or DAP, but as a fan I am interested in this discussion. I researched the local colleges that have DAP coaches (Northeastern, Providence, Holy Cross, Brandeis) and have not found many Bolts or Revs on the rosters, which surprises me. I would think these coaches would be recruiting their own “high level”
players to their schools. I find this interesting. On TS I have seen the lists of players’ college destinations, but these seem misleading as they are not necessarily recruits or will even play. That’s fine, as kids should go to their school of choice which may have nothing to do with soccer. Is there a list of DAP players who have committed early? This would indicate that they are bona fide recruits. I read somewhere that DM a junior from the Revs is already committed to Providence. Also, Revs DD committed early to Northeastern. So obviously they are bona fide recruits. Any other Revs? Any Bolts?

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I do not have a son playing at this age in either club or DAP, but as a fan I am interested in this discussion. I researched the local colleges that have DAP coaches (Northeastern, Providence, Holy Cross, Brandeis) and have not found many Bolts or Revs on the rosters, which surprises me. I would think these coaches would be recruiting their own “high level”
players to their schools. I find this interesting. On TS I have seen the lists of players’ college destinations, but these seem misleading as they are not necessarily recruits or will even play. That’s fine, as kids should go to their school of choice which may have nothing to do with soccer. Is there a list of DAP players who have committed early? This would indicate that they are bona fide recruits. I read somewhere that DM a junior from the Revs is already committed to Providence. Also, Revs DD committed early to Northeastern. So obviously they are bona fide recruits. Any other Revs? Any Bolts?

Dap is supposed to create an environment for professional players not college recruit. Both sides of this discussion is the reason dap will not work for what is intended for.if dap is opposed be superior training than high school then the extra 2 months should be the difference to get these boys into the MLS or europe

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interesting

This is an interesting evaluation of the DAP and their coaches however, I would not make much of it. The only real assessment of the DAP are:

What percentage of the national teams come from DAP clubs
What percentage of DAP players play college soccer and at what division

In the long run, the overall evaluation of youth soccer is whether or not we are able to compete on an international basis.

Whether or not the Mass DAP players attend their coaches colleges are irrelevent since many boys desire to go to school in a different area from where they live. i.e. away from the lunies that populate TS.

I would challenge anyone who would say that non DAP players have no shot at DI schools or national team play. That is simply a foolish statement. I would, however, support that notion that to ascend from a non-DAP team you should be on a very good team that plays Region 1, and/or in top tournaments, and/or are on the ODP team to increase the chance that you will be seen. It does seem the evident that recruiters are populating the DAP games more.

However, to your point, Brandeis has several (3 I believe) Bolts players attending next year. Providence had two (one there and one coming) however their recent coaching changes make it tough to gauge. Holy Cross does not count since Koolman is a new face to the Bolts. As for Northeastern.....hmmmmmm. I can't explain that one.
Along these lines......how many of the Revs have stayed with the Revs?? 1 so far and I am still not sure how great of an idea that was.....for DF.

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This is an interesting evaluation of the DAP and their coaches however, I would not make much of it. The only real assessment of the DAP are:

What percentage of the national teams come from DAP clubs
What percentage of DAP players play college soccer and at what division

In the long run, the overall evaluation of youth soccer is whether or not we are able to compete on an international basis.

Whether or not the Mass DAP players attend their coaches colleges are irrelevent since many boys desire to go to school in a different area from where they live. i.e. away from the lunies that populate TS.

I would challenge anyone who would say that non DAP players have no shot at DI schools or national team play. That is simply a foolish statement. I would, however, support that notion that to ascend from a non-DAP team you should be on a very good team that plays Region 1, and/or in top tournaments, and/or are on the ODP team to increase the chance that you will be seen. It does seem the evident that recruiters are populating the DAP games more.

However, to your point, Brandeis has several (3 I believe) Bolts players attending next year. Providence had two (one there and one coming) however their recent coaching changes make it tough to gauge. Holy Cross does not count since Koolman is a new face to the Bolts. As for Northeastern.....hmmmmmm. I can't explain that one.
Along these lines......how many of the Revs have stayed with the Revs?? 1 so far and I am still not sure how great of an idea that was.....for DF.

You seemed reasonable and balanced until your fourth paragraph; then you lost me. I find it highly doubtful that any of the players would leave the area due to anything said on Talking-Soccer. I will say your last two paragraphs may have re-interested me.

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This is an interesting evaluation of the DAP and their coaches however, I would not make much of it. The only real assessment of the DAP are:

What percentage of the national teams come from DAP clubs
What percentage of DAP players play college soccer and at what division

In the long run, the overall evaluation of youth soccer is whether or not we are able to compete on an international basis.

Whether or not the Mass DAP players attend their coaches colleges are irrelevent since many boys desire to go to school in a different area from where they live. i.e. away from the lunies that populate TS.

I would challenge anyone who would say that non DAP players have no shot at DI schools or national team play. That is simply a foolish statement. I would, however, support that notion that to ascend from a non-DAP team you should be on a very good team that plays Region 1, and/or in top tournaments, and/or are on the ODP team to increase the chance that you will be seen. It does seem the evident that recruiters are populating the DAP games more.

However, to your point, Brandeis has several (3 I believe) Bolts players attending next year. Providence had two (one there and one coming) however their recent coaching changes make it tough to gauge. Holy Cross does not count since Koolman is a new face to the Bolts. As for Northeastern.....hmmmmmm. I can't explain that one.
Along these lines......how many of the Revs have stayed with the Revs?? 1 so far and I am still not sure how great of an idea that was.....for DF.

Cannot explain what about NEU? There are existing and committed players from DAP.

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You seemed reasonable and balanced until your fourth paragraph; then you lost me. I find it highly doubtful that any of the players would leave the area due to anything said on Talking-Soccer. I will say your last two paragraphs may have re-interested me.

The comment of moving away from those on TS was meant to refer to getting away from their own crazy parents.......

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It's laughable that soccer eletists think playing HS will
Somehow stunt a players development. Truth be told
HS teaches players how to cope with the pressure of
expectation,working in a unit. Dealing with phisical
treatment. Many of these things cannot be replicated
In the DAP shark tank.

These things you mention are not as important as fixing what is wrong with US soccer players relative to players in the better parts of the soccer world. US players have skill and are plenty physical enough. Americans tend to keep the ball because they don't learn to see tactical options and their teammates haven't learned to create the options. And they stupidly keep the ball because the US system tends to reward players who dominate play by going it alone. High school is the worst for this, because you have too many kids on the field who are absolutely clueless about how to play (coaches too) and don't have the skill for advanced tactical play. Even the high school stars, who play or played DAP, are made in the mold - great do it by your-selfers - real American soccer players. Even these best of the best would wilt on a real european or s. american soccer team.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;815990]These things you mention are not as important as fixing what is wrong with US soccer players relative to players in the better parts of the soccer world. US players have skill and are plenty physical enough. Americans tend to keep the ball because they don't learn to see tactical options and their teammates haven't learned to create the options. And they stupidly keep the ball because the US system tends to reward players who dominate play by going it alone. High school is the worst for this, because you have too many kids on the field who are absolutely clueless about how to play (coaches too) and don't have the skill for advanced tactical play. Even the high school stars, who play or played DAP, are made in the mold - great do it by your-selfers - real American soccer players. Even these best of the best would wilt on a real european or s. american soccer team.[/

Your comments are spot on. I have never seen an iSL hight school game and am interested to know if those coaches take that individualistic aproach? Do you think that DAP coaches are qualified to teach advanced tactical play like their collegues in Europe, S. America or even Japan and S.Korea?

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These things you mention are not as important as fixing what is wrong with US soccer players relative to players in the better parts of the soccer world. US players have skill and are plenty physical enough. Americans tend to keep the ball because they don't learn to see tactical options and their teammates haven't learned to create the options. And they stupidly keep the ball because the US system tends to reward players who dominate play by going it alone. High school is the worst for this, because you have too many kids on the field who are absolutely clueless about how to play (coaches too) and don't have the skill for advanced tactical play. Even the high school stars, who play or played DAP, are made in the mold - great do it by your-selfers - real American soccer players. Even these best of the best would wilt on a real european or s. american soccer team.[/

Your comments are spot on. I have never seen an iSL hight school game and am interested to know if those coaches take that individualistic aproach? Do you think that DAP coaches are qualified to teach advanced tactical play like their collegues in Europe, S. America or even Japan and S.Korea?

They take the approach to win.club teams also take the approach to win this is why the big club teams are about recruiting. High school is about team play and building a team.

There are very few town or club teams that will take the time to developed.I think odp and the revs will be the only coaches that will have the time and less pressure to actually teach players the tactical side of the game.the reality is we are so behind the world on the technical side and most coaches want to skp right to the tactical part and our kids are making bad decision all over the field beuase they don't have the technical skills to buy time for themselves so they can make the best decision.
Our problem is way passed high school vs dap

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I think many of the DAP coaches are capable of it and are doing it.. but they aren't seeing a lot of the 'real thing', at least from what I've seen of the two local DAP teams. Just imagine teams made of players who had Fagundez' insight into the game, sometimes more, and often with greater physical abilities.. That's what they have in the top youth divisions in the soccer capitals of the world. There are a lot of great reasons to play high school soccer. The reason for DAP (and younger age DAP) is just getting the US game on the same wavelength as the best in the world is not going to happen with high school soccer. Just in case you don't know, the 10 month, one game a week, 3 practice routine is the standard for club soccer outside the US.

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They take the approach to win.club teams also take the approach to win this is why the big club teams are about recruiting. High school is about team play and building a team.

There are very few town or club teams that will take the time to developed.I think odp and the revs will be the only coaches that will have the time and less pressure to actually teach players the tactical side of the game.the reality is we are so behind the world on the technical side and most coaches want to skp right to the tactical part and our kids are making bad decision all over the field beuase they don't have the technical skills to buy time for themselves so they can make the best decision.
Our problem is way passed high school vs dap

well, not caring about winning is a new one for me. they sure as heck care about winning in youth soccer everywhere else they play soccer outside the US - where is it they don't care about winning? I'm curious...

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Typical confusion again in this thread, confusion of micro vs macro. Individual players, DAP or otherwise, don't care what the international standards are. They are not looking to play in the 2nd division of the Norwegian league or even 1st division of Mexican league. They are part of an American culture, a culture that includes a high school culture. True prodigies, just like for other activities, go on some other track, and usually long before junior or senior year in high school. They most likely already left their communities and not just their high schools, like the girls on the US gymnastics team. Kids/families who are conflicted by the choice, ironically, don't have a choice. Their paths are pretty much set.

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This whole "what is wrong with US soccer" trip so many rant about here is so insane and such a red herring. Do people in Uruguay talk about what is wrong with Uruguayan basketball?

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This whole "what is wrong with US soccer" trip so many rant about here is so insane and such a red herring. Do people in Uruguay talk about what is wrong with Uruguayan basketball?

Si Hombre!

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well, not caring about winning is a new one for me. they sure as heck care about winning in youth soccer everywhere else they play soccer outside the US - where is it they don't care about winning? I'm curious...

The biggest problem the FA faces right now is that English coaches are to concerned about winning and is taking a back seat to development.where are their
In Spain and France it about they way they play. Coaches don't get fired in Spain if they loose they get fired if the kids don't develop and play good soccer.
You will not find one player in the world that doesn't,t want win..that common sense. The problem becomes at what cost do you as a parent,coach or club want to win at the expense of development.
Our dap model is based on English school of excellense.

Here are some feed back on how things are going
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'The academy product is flawed,’ says Mark Warburton, assistant academy manager and the architect of the new model, based on one at Ajax in Holland. 'It involves hours and hours of driving, hours of standing outside watching the boys with the rain lashing down, getting home at half nine or 10, eating meals in the car, being behind on homework, and always being generally tired, because that is what it takes to be a pro footballer – it’s always been that way. But it’s not that way in Holland, or France. So if it works there and we’re buying their players, doesn’t that tell you that we’ve got to change the way we do things