The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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U15 is 9th grade for most kids.

Do you actually think college coaches don't know who they are looking for when they go to a U15 game? Hate to burst your bubble, they don't go to games just to browse, they go to look at specific players. Ask yourself how do they hear about players and better yet when they first heard about them if they are going to a game with a bunch of 9th graders playing in it.

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Must suck to realize you have been had. You clearly have no clue what is going on or how it happens. Recruiting is all about potential. When you recruit a 14 year old you don't compare them with a college freshman, you compare them with where that college freshman was at 14. Just because you don't like it or understand it that doesn't mean that it is not happening. If you just want to protect your little slice of the world you can put you head in the sand. The rest of us won't mind. Well let you keep making a fool out of yourself with this kind of logic.

Okay thanks. No need to get frantic about it. We're all set anyhow (kid playing in college already) so don't worry about me!

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Okay thanks. No need to get frantic about it. We're all set anyhow (kid playing in college already) so don't worry about me!

As do a lot of us. You may be one of the more foolish posters Ive read in a while if you are actually trying to get people to beloved that contact only starts when the ECNL starts.

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As do a lot of us. You may be one of the more foolish posters Ive[sic] read in a while if you are actually trying to get people to beloved[sic] that contact only starts when the ECNL starts.

When did I say anything about ECNL? My point is that contacts in 8th grade are highly unusual and even when first contacts are made in 9th grade they are typically the legal and often blanket camp invites or the one time request to fill out a questionnaire.

You have put up no facts to support your contention that these contacts are common and simply hurled insults in your multiple responses. (Unfortunately your unique style of grammar and spelling are telling - perhaps your college player could help you proof your responses so we don't know it is you posting over and over?)

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My child fell in this category. You are being naive about what happens and what it means.

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When did I say anything about ECNL? My point is that contacts in 8th grade are highly unusual and even when first contacts are made in 9th grade they are typically the legal and often blanket camp invites or the one time request to fill out a questionnaire.

You have put up no facts to support your contention that these contacts are common and simply hurled insults in your multiple responses. (Unfortunately your unique style of grammar and spelling are telling - perhaps your college player could help you proof your responses so we don't know it is you posting over and over?)

I think you need a job. You continue to use grammer on a unregistered forum as a point of importance and a baseline for the arguments. If you didn't apply for the recent English positions at the local elementary school, you might want to try taking a few classes in common sense at the local community college. The rest of the comment as a wise TS Dali Lama is about as skilled and detailed as the post you quoted.

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What age did you stop believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? You clearly do not have the first clue how any of this actually works do you? Early recruiting is real and if you don't know how it works that should be your first indication that your player is not a top D1 prospect. If she was you would have been reached and you would know how it works. It is a need to know type of thing.

This absurd post reminds me of a funny conversation my son and I had with a local college coach about the "highly motivated" 8th graders (his read: crazy parents) who contact him by phone, email or thru his team recruitment page. He found it mildly interesting/amusing but I think his rough quote was "I have no idea whether or not these children will be real players until their bodies have developed" Given his relationships with many club coaches he might go watch a particular kid that has been promoted to him and take notes if he has down time at a tournament. He isn't too interested in risking his career by reaching out to a 14 or 15 year old directly. He would never dream of sending solicitations to 14 year olds by email. If a player shows particular flair, he may follow up with to the club coach but he pays VERY close attention to the NCAA rules. This particular coach is one of most decorated former collegiate players of all time with national team and Premiership experience and has led 2 top 20 programs (of course someone with your expertise will know exactly to whom I am referring). I'll take his word for it rather than some random anonymous soccer "insider". BTW - He because he coaches males, he focuses his time watching a lot of DAP (ECNL equivalent) matches these days.

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This absurd post reminds me of a funny conversation my son and I had with a local college coach about the "highly motivated" 8th graders (his read: crazy parents) who contact him by phone, email or thru his team recruitment page. He found it mildly interesting/amusing but I think his rough quote was "I have no idea whether or not these children will be real players until their bodies have developed" Given his relationships with many club coaches he might go watch a particular kid that has been promoted to him and take notes if he has down time at a tournament. He isn't too interested in risking his career by reaching out to a 14 or 15 year old directly. He would never dream of sending solicitations to 14 year olds by email. If a player shows particular flair, he may follow up with to the club coach but he pays VERY close attention to the NCAA rules. This particular coach is one of most decorated former collegiate players of all time with national team and Premiership experience and has led 2 top 20 programs (of course someone with your expertise will know exactly to whom I am referring). I'll take his word for it rather than some random anonymous soccer "insider". BTW - He because he coaches males, he focuses his time watching a lot of DAP (ECNL equivalent) matches these days.

A couple of points...

1) the mens recruiting timeline is a bit slower than the women (about a year?).
2) all this talk about rule violations is silly. Coaches that are "contacting" freshmen and sophomores are NOT breaking the rules. They know exactly what is allowed and what isn't.

Coaches can talk to players who call them. Coaches can contact a players coach and ask the players coach to tell the player to call them. Coaches can email a player with an invite to a camp and in that email they can explain the NCAA rules to the player - we cannot call or email you but you can call me as often as you wish, my cell # is ---.

You may not like it, you may think it is too early, but either way, it is within the NCAA regulations.

DYOR

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I think you need a job. You continue to use grammer[sic] on a unregistered forum as a point of importance and a baseline for the arguments. If you didn't apply for the recent English positions at the local elementary school, you might want to try taking a few classes in common sense at the local community college. The rest of the comment as a wise TS Dali Lama is about as skilled and detailed as the post you quoted.

Not as a baseline for arguments, rather as a way to identify. I guess reading comprehension is also a weakness?

Things roll along pretty smoothly until frantic man (identified by patterns of grammar and spelling) comes in and attacks, calls one stupid, a pawn for a league one's child doesn't play for, etc.

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What age did you stop believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? You clearly do not have the first clue how any of this actually works do you? Early recruiting is real and if you don't know how it works that should be your first indication that your player is not a top D1 prospect. If she was you would have been reached and you would know how it works. It is a need to know type of thing.

I think you are watching too much TV. There is 1 top level D1 soccer school in New England (BC). The kids that can play at that level are too few to even consider. This thread has gotten silly. One headline you will never see...."BC is sanctioned for Soccer recruiting violations". It is not that important to them. It may happen at some schools but I think not.

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I think you are watching too much TV. There is 1 top level D1 soccer school in New England (BC). The kids that can play at that level are too few to even consider. This thread has gotten silly. One headline you will never see...."BC is sanctioned for Soccer recruiting violations". It is not that important to them. It may happen at some schools but I think not.

Or gambling or fixing games...right? Never at BC

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BC only top school in NE!! WHAT?

I think you are watching too much TV. There is 1 top level D1 soccer school in New England (BC). The kids that can play at that level are too few to even consider. This thread has gotten silly. One headline you will never see...."BC is sanctioned for Soccer recruiting violations". It is not that important to them. It may happen at some schools but I think not.

What about Uconn? #1 most of last year in top polls! Also Brown was in top 20 most of the year! BU? They lost to Uconn 1-0 in the last 2 min at home this past season. knuckle head !!

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Well if fools like you would stop from flying out of your chairs every time someone gives an accurate criticism of the ECNL and then use stupid ill formed logic trying to refute that criticism perhaps more people would accept some of the other points a few of you make. If you will look back and reread the post that started everything it was a critique of the fool who posted a listing of the college coaches attending the Chicago ECNL event as a way to show how important those events are. The response was quite on target because once you realize kids are popping up on college coaches radar screens prior to the whole "showcase" process that everyone seems to feel is so necessary you should start to realize that recruiting works very differently than it is being portrayed. The poster's point was if you child has talent, the college coaches will find them. He is correct.

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Well if fools like you would stop from flying out of your chairs every time someone gives an accurate criticism of the ECNL and then use stupid ill formed logic trying to refute that criticism perhaps more people would accept some of the other points a few of you make. If you will look back and reread the post that started everything it was a critique of the fool who posted a listing of the college coaches attending the Chicago ECNL event as a way to show how important those events are. The response was quite on target because once you realize kids are popping up on college coaches radar screens prior to the whole "showcase" process that everyone seems to feel is so necessary you should start to realize that recruiting works very differently than it is being portrayed. The poster's point was if you child has talent, the college coaches will find them. He is correct.

FOr many players, the ECNL is not about recruiting. It's about taking advantage of the opportunity to play agianst the best teams in the country.

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FOr many players, the ECNL is not about recruiting. It's about taking advantage of the opportunity to play agianst the best teams in the country.

That is not the truth, that is one of the many arguments that ECNL clubs make and you dolts believe it. You play just as many truly bad teams as the rest of the local non ECNL top teams in MA do.