The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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Some of you are too funny. Counting coaches attending a showcase is perhaps the dumbest activity out there. The level of talent is all that actually matters. We have a couple of high level players on my daughters team. The father of one of them is a close friend. He has showed me a couple of the recruiting emails his daughter has gotten. They are real and it is fairly clear she could commit to a college right now if that is what she wanted. The thing that shoots this whole argument to pieces is we have never even been to a showcase yet because the girls are only in the 8th grade. If the player has the level of talent the coaches want they will find them. All of the ECNL posturing is complete BS.

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Some of you are too funny. Counting coaches attending a showcase is perhaps the dumbest activity out there. The level of talent is all that actually matters. We have a couple of high level players on my daughters team. The father of one of them is a close friend. He has showed me a couple of the recruiting emails his daughter has gotten. They are real and it is fairly clear she could commit to a college right now if that is what she wanted. The thing that shoots this whole argument to pieces is we have never even been to a showcase yet because the girls are only in the 8th grade. If the player has the level of talent the coaches want they will find them. All of the ECNL posturing is complete BS.

Really!

Coaches are allowed to:
Send you athletic or sports camp brochures, NCAA Educational Information and Questionnaires.

A coach can also accept phone calls from you as long as they are at your expense but remember that if you leave a message on an answering service the coach is NOT ALLOWED TO CALL YOU BACK.

Coaches are not allowed to:

To call you on the phone.
A coach cannot send you any written recruiting information.

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Some of you are too funny. Counting coaches attending a showcase is perhaps the dumbest activity out there. The level of talent is all that actually matters. We have a couple of high level players on my daughters team. The father of one of them is a close friend. He has showed me a couple of the recruiting emails his daughter has gotten. They are real and it is fairly clear she could commit to a college right now if that is what she wanted. The thing that shoots this whole argument to pieces is we have never even been to a showcase yet because the girls are only in the 8th grade. If the player has the level of talent the coaches want they will find them. All of the ECNL posturing is complete BS.

This is total BS. No college coach is actively recruiting random 8th graders. Please keep it real.

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Really!

Coaches are allowed to:
Send you athletic or sports camp brochures, NCAA Educational Information and Questionnaires.

A coach can also accept phone calls from you as long as they are at your expense but remember that if you leave a message on an answering service the coach is NOT ALLOWED TO CALL YOU BACK.

Coaches are not allowed to:

To call you on the phone.
A coach cannot send you any written recruiting information.

What age did you stop believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? You clearly do not have the first clue how any of this actually works do you? Early recruiting is real and if you don't know how it works that should be your first indication that your player is not a top D1 prospect. If she was you would have been reached and you would know how it works. It is a need to know type of thing.

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Some of you are too funny. Counting coaches attending a showcase is perhaps the dumbest activity out there. The level of talent is all that actually matters. We have a couple of high level players on my daughters team. The father of one of them is a close friend. He has showed me a couple of the recruiting emails his daughter has gotten. They are real and it is fairly clear she could commit to a college right now if that is what she wanted. The thing that shoots this whole argument to pieces is we have never even been to a showcase yet because the girls are only in the 8th grade. If the player has the level of talent the coaches want they will find them. All of the ECNL posturing is complete BS.

Tryouts are over and rosters are filled. You can tone down the frantic anti-ECNL rhetoric now.

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Some of you are too funny. Counting coaches attending a showcase is perhaps the dumbest activity out there. The level of talent is all that actually matters. We have a couple of high level players on my daughters team. The father of one of them is a close friend. He has showed me a couple of the recruiting emails his daughter has gotten. They are real and it is fairly clear she could commit to a college right now if that is what she wanted. The thing that shoots this whole argument to pieces is we have never even been to a showcase yet because the girls are only in the 8th grade. If the player has the level of talent the coaches want they will find them. All of the ECNL posturing is complete BS.

Given what everyone (but you apparently) knows about the recruiting rules - do you want to clarify?

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This is total BS. No college coach is actively recruiting random 8th graders. Please keep it real.

Not random 8th graders. Make no mistake though 8th graders do get recruited.

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What age did you stop believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? You clearly do not have the first clue how any of this actually works do you? Early recruiting is real and if you don't know how it works that should be your first indication that your player is not a top D1 prospect. If she was you would have been reached and you would know how it works. It is a need to know type of thing.

My kid was and the first recruiting contact was a letter form UCLA the fall of her freshman year after she attended a national camp in Cali. Never received anything earlier than that.

Please post the names of the collgfes since you are on the inside and we are on the outside looking in.

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What age did you stop believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? You clearly do not have the first clue how any of this actually works do you? Early recruiting is real and if you don't know how it works that should be your first indication that your player is not a top D1 prospect. If she was you would have been reached and you would know how it works. It is a need to know type of thing.

Thanks for the insight. I feel much better now knowing that it has come from someone in "the know". Sorry - no one is recruited in 8th grade.

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Given what everyone (but you apparently) knows about the recruiting rules - do you want to clarify?

Just because it doesn't match up with the stories you bought you shouldnt be foolish enough to accept early recruitment doesn't happen. How exactly do you think a player can commit in the beginning of their soph year? Do you actually think the contact just starts a couple of days before? Hate to break it to you but every single early commitment has illegal contact. They are all breaking the rules. The forces that are driving these early commitments are the same forces that are pushing the contact younger and younger. Open your eyes.

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Too funny. The ECNL crowd has pushed the recruiting agenda non stop. They actuallly boast about their early commitments on their websites but now don't want to face the inevitable conclusion that the real high end talent doesn't actually need the ECNL. Far easier to fight that early contact isn't happening. Too funny.

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Just because it doesn't match up with the stories you bought you shouldnt be foolish enough to accept early recruitment doesn't happen. How exactly do you think a player can commit in the beginning of their soph year? Do you actually think the contact just starts a couple of days before? Hate to break it to you but every single early commitment has illegal contact. They are all breaking the rules. The forces that are driving these early commitments are the same forces that are pushing the contact younger and younger. Open your eyes.

Schools can send one request that you fill out their recruiting questionnaire and they can invite you to a camp - yearly I think. That happened to my player for the first time in fall of freshman year. The other players who attended the national camp also received these requests. They were sent to the whole list from what I could figure. Similar blanket emails went out to those rostered at interregionals, ESP camp, NIKE camp, etc. Yes I guess you could all it recruitment but rally it has nothing to do with the player herself - just where's she been. Not a bad thing but not personal by any means.

There is no upside to major programs with good reputations to violate these rules - even for the outstanding 8th graders you claim play on your daughter's team. There is a major downside though.

Now ask yourself - is that 8th grader so special that it would be worth breaking these rules? If so then it is exactly the sort of player who doesn't need an early contact from a coach and whose early comitment would be subject to complaint by other programs if it seemed to be untoward.

And I didn't buy anything - but it sounds like you did.

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Too funny. The ECNL crowd has pushed the recruiting agenda non stop. They actuallly boast about their early commitments on their websites but now don't want to face the inevitable conclusion that the real high end talent doesn't actually need the ECNL. Far easier to fight that early contact isn't happening. Too funny.

So true. They should ask themselves why the ECNL has a U15 age group if they don't believe coaches are actually watching. The highest level players do start getting contacted in the 8th grade. It is a fact. When kids are getting identified as young as 12 it shouldn't be too much of a stretch that they also start getting recruited early as well. Now if a player starts getting recruited in the 8th grade why do they actually need something like the ECNL? The comment about counting college coaches is spot on. That is just a little task they give parents to keep them occupied. Means nothing.

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So true. They should ask themselves why the ECNL has a U15 age group if they don't believe coaches are actually watching. The highest level players do start getting contacted in the 8th grade. It is a fact. When kids are getting identified as young as 12 it shouldn't be too much of a stretch that they also start getting recruited early as well. Now if a player starts getting recruited in the 8th grade why do they actually need something like the ECNL? The comment about counting college coaches is spot on. That is just a little task they give parents to keep them occupied. Means nothing.

U15 is 9th grade for most kids.

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Schools can send one request that you fill out their recruiting questionnaire and they can invite you to a camp - yearly I think. That happened to my player for the first time in fall of freshman year. The other players who attended the national camp also received these requests. They were sent to the whole list from what I could figure. Similar blanket emails went out to those rostered at interregionals, ESP camp, NIKE camp, etc. Yes I guess you could all it recruitment but rally it has nothing to do with the player herself - just where's she been. Not a bad thing but not personal by any means.

There is no upside to major programs with good reputations to violate these rules - even for the outstanding 8th graders you claim play on your daughter's team. There is a major downside though.

Now ask yourself - is that 8th grader so special that it would be worth breaking these rules? If so then it is exactly the sort of player who doesn't need an early contact from a coach and whose early comitment would be subject to complaint by other programs if it seemed to be untoward.

And I didn't buy anything - but it sounds like you did.

Must suck to realize you have been had. You clearly have no clue what is going on or how it happens. Recruiting is all about potential. When you recruit a 14 year old you don't compare them with a college freshman, you compare them with where that college freshman was at 14. Just because you don't like it or understand it that doesn't mean that it is not happening. If you just want to protect your little slice of the world you can put you head in the sand. The rest of us won't mind. Well let you keep making a fool out of yourself with this kind of logic.