The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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There are just as many people out here who see the way the ECNL clubs (plural) do things as being bad for youth sports as there are who think that what they do is great. The important point isn't that what those clubs do is completely wrong it is just there are differing opinions about how one sided they tend to paint things. Assertions like the ECNL is the highest form of youth soccer is a perfect example. Not everyone agrees and as long as it keeps getting asserted it will be challenged. It is pretty simple, if you don't want the challenge then don't make the claim. You are completely free to believe what you want just keep those opinions to yourself and everyone will be happy (except TS which would probably wither away)

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There are just as many people out here who see the way the ECNL clubs (plural) do things as being bad for youth sports as there are who think that what they do is great. The important point isn't that what those clubs do is completely wrong it is just there are differing opinions about how one sided they tend to paint things. Assertions like the ECNL is the highest form of youth soccer is a perfect example. Not everyone agrees and as long as it keeps getting asserted it will be challenged. It is pretty simple, if you don't want the challenge then don't make the claim. You are completely free to believe what you want just keep those opinions to yourself and everyone will be happy (except TS which would probably wither away)

Who brought those assertions out for this debate (and most debates)?

The people who are making all the noise are not the ECNL folks.

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I am a Stars parent. Please stop, you are directing attention on to one specific person because you clearly have a personality conflict with them. You have no proof who any anonymous poster is on this forum so your insistence that one specific person is posting is just validating the fairly widely held opinion that the Stars organization is paranoid. Do us all a favor a stop attacking individuals. Anonymous is anonymous and after all you are using it to do a fair amount of attacking yourself. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps if you stopped what you are doing that we wouldn't get as much crap heaped on the rest of us.

I'm sorry, especially as if you are a Stars parent as you say which I doubt, but I do not agree with you.

The anonymity thing is not the same. You are talking about someone who specifically decided not to be anonymous, at least in part to provide some clout to his own views. Also very narcissistic and as a result has been more than willing to put himself and his kids out there for public consumption. No other celebrity person and/or parent of a national player would do that. His lack of anonymity was not courage but rather entirely strategic and narcissistic. He has been a prolific poster who has not shied away from any engagements, and indeed he has seemed to prefer conflict and disagreements as opportunities to impress his views on others even more fervently.

Virulent is a word that comes to mind. Right now it is about Stars and to lesser degree Scorps. BU there have been any number of topics, as wide ranging a s 3.0s at Williams being crap to marginal, below par skills of Jeremy Lin. He is always the expert, never comes back and says he was wrong about anything, and given the forcefulness and extremity of his views that he rams down everyone's throats I believe he deserves to be called out. I am not a Stars parent or supporter not a Scorps parent or supporter. I simply find his behavior outrageous and intrusive, and I don't think gross, repetitive, and dogged attacks in one's own self-interest should be simply ignored.

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I'm sorry, especially as if you are a Stars parent as you say which I doubt, but I do not agree with you.

The anonymity thing is not the same. You are talking about someone who specifically decided not to be anonymous, at least in part to provide some clout to his own views. Also very narcissistic and as a result has been more than willing to put himself and his kids out there for public consumption. No other celebrity person and/or parent of a national player would do that. His lack of anonymity was not courage but rather entirely strategic and narcissistic. He has been a prolific poster who has not shied away from any engagements, and indeed he has seemed to prefer conflict and disagreements as opportunities to impress his views on others even more fervently.

Virulent is a word that comes to mind. Right now it is about Stars and to lesser degree Scorps. BU there have been any number of topics, as wide ranging a s 3.0s at Williams being crap to marginal, below par skills of Jeremy Lin. He is always the expert, never comes back and says he was wrong about anything, and given the forcefulness and extremity of his views that he rams down everyone's throats I believe he deserves to be called out. I am not a Stars parent or supporter not a Scorps parent or supporter. I simply find his behavior outrageous and intrusive, and I don't think gross, repetitive, and dogged attacks in one's own self-interest should be simply ignored.

He hasn't signed anything in months so you are making accusations based upon your personal bias. You interpretations of him are your interpretations. Not everyone shares you view nor do they find your constant attacks warranted.

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There are just as many people out here who see the way the ECNL clubs (plural) do things as being bad for youth sports as there are who think that what they do is great. The important point isn't that what those clubs do is completely wrong it is just there are differing opinions about how one sided they tend to paint things. Assertions like the ECNL is the highest form of youth soccer is a perfect example. Not everyone agrees and as long as it keeps getting asserted it will be challenged. It is pretty simple, if you don't want the challenge then don't make the claim. You are completely free to believe what you want just keep those opinions to yourself and everyone will be happy (except TS which would probably wither away)

This whole thread started 3 weeks ago with an attack on ECNL. That is how it always goes.

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He hasn't signed anything in months so you are making accusations based upon your personal bias. You interpretations of him are your interpretations. Not everyone shares you view nor do they find your constant attacks warranted.

So do you think he's not posting???

I don't expect that everything will agree with me. Not my interest. It is clearly him, though, and the vast majority know that. I also don't see myself as attacking. I see myself as responding, trying to at least partially counteract the huge biases he sells here day after day after day. He sells as fact his opinions. He says he is more experienced. If someone suggests they also have experience he asks them how much and to be specific on types of experience. When they provide that, he still won't concede an inch. I find it disturbing. Sorry.

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This whole thread started 3 weeks ago with an attack on ECNL. That is how it always goes.

Exactly. With a perfectly unremarkable email that someone wanted to distort and demonize like all get out.

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BTDT must be the boogey man. We need to let everyone know. He can't be trusted. He's dangerous. I'm glad we have this Don Quijote character looking out for all our best interest. I for one will offer a huge thank you. (eye roll) Please stop Don, you've lost your credibility.

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So do you think he's not posting???

I don't expect that everything will agree with me. Not my interest. It is clearly him, though, and the vast majority know that. I also don't see myself as attacking. I see myself as responding, trying to at least partially counteract the huge biases he sells here day after day after day. He sells as fact his opinions. He says he is more experienced. If someone suggests they also have experience he asks them how much and to be specific on types of experience. When they provide that, he still won't concede an inch. I find it disturbing. Sorry.

Yes I don't think it is him and I think you are actually a vile petty person for your cowardly attacks on him. What makes you and the things you write so noble that you believe you have the right to judge anyone or call them anything? I am sure that I am not the only person that disagrees with a lot of what you seem to write because it is completely one sided and only seems to lead to one biased conclusion. Posters like you have turned this forum into a cesspool with your constant attacks.

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Who brought those assertions out for this debate (and most debates)?

The people who are making all the noise are not the ECNL folks.

Getting spammed by the Scorpions didn't count?

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Getting spammed by the Scorpions didn't count?

You don't think putting it up here to bash got the word out more?

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These threads are just full of humor. Is this what our parents are talking about while we are not around? Get a life because we don't care this much about soccer as you would think. I was thinking about the clothes I saw another girl wearing the other day and if John likes me.

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Yes I don't think it is him and I think you are actually a vile petty person for your cowardly attacks on him. What makes you and the things you write so noble that you believe you have the right to judge anyone or call them anything? I am sure that I am not the only person that disagrees with a lot of what you seem to write because it is completely one sided and only seems to lead to one biased conclusion. Posters like you have turned this forum into a cesspool with your constant attacks.

Your response was vague. Do you think he still posts?

If there is some type of ban on him and identifying him is getting him into some type of hot water then I will stop. That's not my intent.

I don't see how I am attacking unless identifying him by name constitutes an attack. I respond to his arguments and question his claims and at times provide data that contrast with what he is selling. I don't see that as attacking. I will vigorously challenge hi. On the merits. I doubt you would say that his posts, both in volume and content, are not vigorous.

I also have no doubts about who is posting. I would not identify him if I was not 100 per cent sure that at least 80 per cent of the posts are his that I cite. Either that or there is a freakish statistical anomaly of galactic proportions, given the same interests, same biases, exact same doggedness and rigidity, and exact same obvious phraseologies. Sorry, too many coincidences for me, and for almost anyone here who has half a brain. This isn't in the genre of "Thanks Fred...Thanks Mom...Thanks BB," etc, etc.

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Yes I don't think it is him and I think you are actually a vile petty person for your cowardly attacks on him. What makes you and the things you write so noble that you believe you have the right to judge anyone or call them anything? I am sure that I am not the only person that disagrees with a lot of what you seem to write because it is completely one sided and only seems to lead to one biased conclusion. Posters like you have turned this forum into a cesspool with your constant attacks.

P.S. You called me more names in this post than I think I've ever called him. Challenging someone who has dominated this whole forum for several years running is turning it into a cesspool???

Let's assume you are correct. What, then, do you think of the person's arguments that I have said are btdt? Let's say you are correct. What do you make of the posts themselves?

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He is not posting. He got what he wanted out of TS and go to be the king for a while. He is too smart to risk his daughters National Team chances by posting anything further here. No need to and with the Boston Globe article about his daughter, I think they are all set.